Poll: do you think there is a place in society for a REAL dark knight?

[shootthebandit]

With all the crime going on in today's society such as people attacking others purely because they are bored or someone mugging a pensioner for their watch. The police are doing their job and 9 times out of 10 they are doing their job well, but they are tied down by the legal and justice system which is often not harsh enough on criminals.

look at your area and surrounding areas and I can guarantee that at least one area near you has a high crime rate. Now imagine someone was actually fighting back against crime striking fear into those that strike fear into the community. i understand that this dark knight is still breaking the law and would have to avoid the police ironically like the criminals he/she is facing. i also understand that in america guns are more common among criminals so there is more of a risk however in the UK guns are very rare of course the risk is still there but not as obvious.

so it has me wondering why isnt there an over ambitious male or female out there who has decided to sit at home with a police radio, mask and a make-shift weapon and dish out their own brand of justice to their local area

im my personal opinion i think all areas need someone like this, someone who operates outside the law but with good intentions. also its not just a person its a sense of community, a dark knight would inspire others to be more vigilant and be more brave to stand up acknowledge what has happened rather than just cowering behind their curtains. a dark knight would only be one person in theory but they would have the collective power of the community behind them and i cannot think of a more powerful weapon than that (except an apache helicopter that thing has guns AND missiles)

 

[TakeyB0y2]

Heh, I'd do it if I won the lottery and I've been in good shape and have been practicing acrobatics and other useful skills since I was a child.

Problem is, even a vigilante will still be tied down by the legal and justice system. Sure, they could also adopt a persona and attempt to conceal their identity, but the internet being what it is, I'm sure they wouldn't stay hidden for long.

The problem with being a vigilante is that if you're going after a target, you have to set-up your takedown of them so that your assault would be considered self-defense, otherwise you'll get in serious shit. You can't attack people's "bases" either, as that would be considered trespassing.

Too many legal hurdles to pass. You'd have to be strong, agile, well trained in combat and defense, have excellent knowledge of the legal system, have a very decent amount of money available, good intel, and pure luck.

 

[shootthebandit]

Heh, I'd do it if I won the lottery and I've been in good shape and have been practicing acrobatics and other useful skills since I was a child.

Problem is, even a vigilante will still be tied down by the legal and justice system. Sure, they could also adopt a persona and attempt to conceal their identity, but the internet being what it is, I'm sure they wouldn't stay hidden for long.

The problem with being a vigilante is that if you're going after a target, you have to set-up your takedown of them so that your assault would be considered self-defense, otherwise you'll get in serious shit. You can't attack people's "bases" either, as that would be considered trespassing.

Too many legal hurdles to pass. You'd have to be strong, agile, well trained in combat and defense, have excellent knowledge of the legal system, have a very decent amount of money available, good intel, and pure luck.

i think if you were to do it you'd need a do or die attitude, the type of attitude that says fuck the legal system. if you were to follow the legal system you might as well do nothing however if you didnt you must accept the fact you could be arrested

i dont think you need a massive amount of money but you would need to work-out and keep in shape. As for intel if you have a radio tuned into police frequency which isnt that difficult to come by then youve basically got yourself a dark knight. i know its not exactly a chris nolan dark knight but more of a step-up from kick-ass but it would be nice to see it happen

 

[JaceArveduin]

No, because they wouldn't stay anonymous for long, and at least around here, once his identity was found out, he'd be dead within a week.

Let's put it this way, about 20 years ago, a snitch got caught and they found her on a bridge raped, murdered, and with her breast and hands cut off.

 

[Jamash]

According to my local crime map, there was a crime wave of 36 incidents in June, with a whopping 14 cases of anti-social behaviour, but despite this unprecedented "high crime rate" in the area near me, I don't think we're quite in need of the Dark Knight... yet.

In all honesty, I don't think there's any part of the UK that experiences anything close to Gotham City levels of misbehaviour that warrant a Batman solution.

Besides, most Dark Knights would get stomped into the ground and prosecuted themselves for "going equipped", really that kind of vigilantism only works in the comic books that revolve around that particular fantasy.

 

[Brendan Stepladder]

Absolutely not. Aside from the obvious dangers to said vigilantes, the reason why vigilantes don't exist in the first place is that they have a tendency to attack the wrong people or use very excessive force.

 

[Soviet Steve]

With all the crime going on in today's society such as people attacking others purely because they are bored or someone mugging a pensioner for their watch. The police are doing their job and 9 times out of 10 they are doing their job well, but they are tied down by the legal and justice system which is often not harsh enough on criminals.

Well, it's a fraction of what we've seen in past eras where the authorities were generally given a free pass to kill whoever they liked.

look at your area and surrounding areas and I can guarantee that at least one area near you has a high crime rate. Now imagine someone was actually fighting back against crime striking fear into those that strike fear into the community. i understand that this dark knight is still breaking the law and would have to avoid the police ironically like the criminals he/she is facing. i also understand that in america guns are more common among criminals so there is more of a risk however in the UK guns are very rare of course the risk is still there but not as obvious.

Yes, the grainfields of Jutland, a hotbed of crime and misery.

so it has me wondering why isnt there an over ambitious male or female out there who has decided to sit at home with a police radio, mask and a make-shift weapon and dish out their own brand of justice to their local area

Well first of all it'd be fucking stupid, there's no reward, high risk, and you're likely to strike at innocent people.

im my personal opinion i think all areas need someone like this, someone who operates outside the law but with good intentions. also its not just a person its a sense of community, a dark knight would inspire others to be more vigilant and be more brave to stand up acknowledge what has happened rather than just cowering behind their curtains. a dark knight would only be one person in theory but they would have the collective power of the community behind them and i cannot think of a more powerful weapon than that (except an apache helicopter that thing has guns AND missiles)

So essentially what you want is a disorganized secret police. My advice would be moving to North Korea.

 

[TheNamlessGuy]

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[Heronblade]

As... appealing as the idea may be, it not a good idea in the long run. Vigilantism is DANGEROUS. There is far too much risk of innocents being harmed, whether because the "dark knight" messed up in their judgement, or simply in terms of collateral damage. In addition, any actions taken along these lines will almost certainly guarantee that any criminals involved walk away scotch free, thanks to our (imo incredibly moronic) policy concerning improper evidence.

The only reason the Batman tales had even a tiny shred of believeability was due to the resources at Wayne's disposal, not just his ability to fight. Between him being the modern equivalent of Sherlock Holmes in terms of intelligence and deductive ability, and the incredible amount of resources and information at his disposal, he actually stood a chance at playing the role of (mostly) independent crime fighter. Some random hotshot sitting by a radio? No chance in hell.

 

[teqrevisited]

The problem lies with that system's reliance on the judgement of an ungoverned individual.

Until such a person exists there's always the Tunbridge Wells Ninja. The most English vigilante hero in the world. He maintains his shadowy watch of justice along with his anonymity, dissuading would-be burglars and rescuing cats. Needless to say he doesn't really have the funding of someone like Bruce Wayne.

 

[Saladfork]

No definitely not.

1) Edmonton, while having the highest murder rate in Canada (I think), is still a quite safe place to live, really.

2) We have a justice syste and set of laws for a reason. Citizens aren't allowed to go around arresting people because they haven't been cleared, trained and equipped, and even the police are not allowed to go around just curbstomping people unless deemed absolutely necessary.

Besides, Batman isn't very good at stopping crimes anyway. Hell, he seems to create more criminals than he ever permenantly stops.

 

[Pandalisk]

Well the Dark Knight is first and foremost a symbol no?
I would think that the people of some down trodden or terrified region could use a symbol of...what was he again? hope or some such?

We could always use more Zorro though, RRRrrRRRrrr

 

[marurder]

One problem stopping people is that the media would tear anyone doing it apart. Sure popular support may be on the side of the vigilante, but just look at Spiderman. Imagine if the media were hounding the vigilante day and night (which is what they would do) much like paparazzi. Nice notion, but sadly can't be done.

 

[Rawberry101]

My area is full of suburban white people. A Batman would be welcomed because the only 'crime' that happens around here is teenagers getting high/drunk. It'd be a blast to see a masked man swoop one up and hang him from a tree as an example. Although if he ventures into the poor parts of town...it's gonna get real.

 

[Dangit2019]

As long as they don't wear hockey pads, Nolan's Batman approves.

 

[Luna]

I think you're being a little over dramatic. Crime isn't necessarily worse nowdays. Your opinion of the severity of the Justice system is vague and at this stage unfounded. I think your opinion is more founded on the idea being cool, especially considering that you say all areas NEED this, when that is inspecific and IMO not thought out, but I have to hand it to you, it would inspire people IMO.

Also, realistically I couldn't see a female doing this sort of job unless they were more of a gun wielding crime stopper. Physically even a fit woman with fight experience wouldn't stand much of a chance against a reasonably sized man who's not clueless on how to fight and hasn't been stunned by surprise.

 

[DeadlyYellow]

Besides, Batman isn't very good at stopping crimes anyway. Hell, he seems to create more criminals than he ever permanently stops.

Yep, as was the point of the Dark Knight. For every vigilante willing to push back against crime, there will be a villain able to push harder. And in the end, they're both criminals.

 

[Thaluikhain]

As mentioned two weeks ago in an identical thread, no, very bad idea.

You want someone running around breaking the law, because people are breaking the law?