Poll: Do you think we'll see an assassination on a major political leader in our time?

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Andy Shandy

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So, simply, I've been watching quite a bit of TV and film recently and some of them have had major political leaders (mainly the president of the US) either being assassinated or had their has been an attempted assassination at least.

So I pose a question to my fellow Escapists, just as an interesting thought. Do you think we shall see a major political leader be assassinated, a JFK moment if you will, or do you believe that the leaders are too well protected nowadays for anything like that to happen?

P.S By major political leader, I mean leaders of developed countries. So your Obamas, Merkels, Camerons and so on. I figure in the less developed nations, something like the head of state is much more likely.

And...discuss.

EDIT: Changed the title from Head Of State to major political leader as it makes more sense with what I have said in the OP
 

Terminate421

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I wouldn't be surprised if Obama was shot as he was re-elected again.

I'm not saying I want him to be but considering the damage he's caused and people are wanting him out of office who knows what could happen.
 

Tilted_Logic

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To be honest, I'm amazed it doesn't happen more often. Not just to political people... But anyone in general. In the grand scope of things (at least here in Canada) people seem to have such restraint. Even something as simple as an arsonist. Anytime I pass a forest it makes me realize just how easy it'd be for someone with the will to toss a match or light a fire and watch the blaze.

I am in no way saying I support or feel the urge to do any of this, it just occurs to me how easy it could be for terrible things to happen, and the fact that they don't (well, too often) is cause for appreciation.

As for political leaders? I really don't know how hard it'd be for someone with the will and the capability to do something like that. I know many people disliked Bush, and he's still kicking.
 

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GonvilleBromhead said:
Andy Shandy said:
Obamas, Merkels, Camerons
Merkel and Cameron aren't heads of state ;)
Can't speak for Merkel but Cameron might as well be. Assassinating the fucking Queen will have no impact on the political landscape of the country, it'll just depress a shit-ton of Royalists. You need to go after the guy who makes the actual decisions, the Prime Minister.

OT: I don't think we'll see one in the Western countries but in more turbulent countries, like in the Middle East, it wouldn't surprise me.

Though that said, I'm genuinely surprised that some deranged lunatic hasn't taken a shot at Obama yet...
 

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The way the british government are pushing it, I'll be surprised if a group of people don't try to kill 'em all.
 

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ReservoirAngel said:
GonvilleBromhead said:
Andy Shandy said:
Obamas, Merkels, Camerons
Merkel and Cameron aren't heads of state ;)
Can't speak for Merkel but Cameron might as well be. Assassinating the fucking Queen will have no impact on the political landscape of the country, it'll just depress a shit-ton of Royalists. You need to go after the guy who makes the actual decisions, the Prime Minister.

OT: I don't think we'll see one in the Western countries but in more turbulent countries, like in the Middle East, it wouldn't surprise me.

Though that said, I'm genuinely surprised that some deranged lunatic hasn't taken a shot at Obama yet...
well didn't the Libyan leader get killed I forgot his name already though so that's practically an assassination
 

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Since attempts still count i'm gonna count the attempt on Ronald Reagan, which was in my Lifetime. About 20 Years after Kennedy.
Also in the eighties was this attempt on Pope Johannes Paul 2. Head of the Vatican State.
While there has been quite some time now, i think it's highly likely that i see another attempt like that in my Lifetime.
A Success in that regard is another Story. The last one was Kennedy and it is quite possible that i'll never see another head of state killed on TV again.
 

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Tilted_Logic said:
To be honest, I'm amazed it doesn't happen more often. Not just to political people... But anyone in general. In the grand scope of things (at least here in Canada) people seem to have such restraint. Even something as simple as an arsonist. Anytime I pass a forest it makes me realize just how easy it'd be for someone with the will to toss a match or light a fire and watch the blaze.

I am in no way saying I support or feel the urge to do any of this, it just occurs to me how easy it could be for terrible things to happen, and the fact that they don't (well, too often) is cause for appreciation.

As for political leaders? I really don't know how hard it'd be for someone with the will and the capability to do something like that. I know many people disliked Bush, and he's still kicking.
I share your sentiments exactly and, I live in the US where I've been hearing stories recently about people with stockpiles and, bunkers.

Honestly, I'm very surprised nobody tried to assassinate George W. Bush when he was still in office. I was born in 88, when Reagan was still in Office so technically...well no, he was shot before I was born (years and, years before my birth). Anyway, I'm just pointing out that anyone born in 1981 before the shooting will have had an assassination attempt happen in their lifetime.
 

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The problem here of course is the amount of security surrounding heads of states since the JFK assassination and the increased threat of terrorism. The problem these days for would be assassins is when you move around in circles that have extreme anti-government ideas or anything like that, you're probably on a watchlist somewhere..

The most close thing to an assassination on an important political figure in the western world I can remember was the assassination of Pim Fortuyn in the Netherlands, who would probably have become prime minister if he wasn't killed.

I think if you look more closely to the subject a shift has occurred away from assassinations to terrorist acts and maybe riots, protests and occupations of different kinds. Since those are more likely to change public opinion which could lead to a change in power.

It's just like with robberies, when banks heighten security they go for gasstations and when those heighten security they move to moneytransports and so on.
 

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Pat8u said:
ReservoirAngel said:
GonvilleBromhead said:
Andy Shandy said:
Obamas, Merkels, Camerons
Merkel and Cameron aren't heads of state ;)
Can't speak for Merkel but Cameron might as well be. Assassinating the fucking Queen will have no impact on the political landscape of the country, it'll just depress a shit-ton of Royalists. You need to go after the guy who makes the actual decisions, the Prime Minister.

OT: I don't think we'll see one in the Western countries but in more turbulent countries, like in the Middle East, it wouldn't surprise me.

Though that said, I'm genuinely surprised that some deranged lunatic hasn't taken a shot at Obama yet...
well didn't the Libyan leader get killed I forgot his name already though so that's practically an assassination
I had forgotton about Gaddafi and I voted no.

Okay, no MORE political leaders will be assasinated in "our time".
 

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we already did, just a year or so ago that leader , Father of two and loving husband was shot on his knees in his own home in front of his family by a government owned murder squad.
osama something? os was it saddam i cant remember
 

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I remember my mum was convinced Obama was going to get shot by some crazy racist when he was first elected. I imagine security is pretty damn good these days though. For all we know there could have been quite a few assassination attempts that haven't been publicised or made it very far. Kind of like what they say about terrorist attacks.

I'm also surprised these things happen so rarely (thank goodness). I often think how easy it would be for someone in possession of a sniper rifle to take down pretty much anyone making a public appearance. I guess that's what gun control/banning (depending on where you are) is for.
 
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Treblaine said:
Yes. We already have. Gadaffi.
Heh, I'm not sure "assassination" is the right word for what happened there.

Political cloak and dagger stuff is still perfectly possible, Viktor Yushchenko knows this only too well. That guy is lucky to be alive when someone so clearly wanted him dead.
 

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Tilted_Logic said:
To be honest, I'm amazed it doesn't happen more often. Not just to political people... But anyone in general. In the grand scope of things (at least here in Canada) people seem to have such restraint. Even something as simple as an arsonist. Anytime I pass a forest it makes me realize just how easy it'd be for someone with the will to toss a match or light a fire and watch the blaze.

I am in no way saying I support or feel the urge to do any of this, it just occurs to me how easy it could be for terrible things to happen, and the fact that they don't (well, too often) is cause for appreciation.

As for political leaders? I really don't know how hard it'd be for someone with the will and the capability to do something like that. I know many people disliked Bush, and he's still kicking.
Well you could educate yourself on forest fires, the forests of North America NEEDS those fires and the naturally happen from lighting strikes and have had periodic fires for millions of years. Forests need fires every couple decades to clear the small bushes, the large trees survive the fire, but only if there is a small amount of brush. The problem is forest fires have been prevented so well for over a century the brush has built up so thick that any fire would completely destroy all trees from the intensity of large amount of brush burning. Human involvement in trying to prevent fires have meant fires when they DO come will be worse than ever and completely destroy even the large trees, and the fire-fighters cannot prevent.

The "Only you can prevent forest fires" is a lie. No one can prevent lighting strikes which are common over vast areas of forest.

Now forestry services are practising controlled burns through really every couple decades, every forest should have a fire burning the small amount of brush - so low intensity - to clear and leave the trees. But it's arguably too late now. And human interact with the environment in completely different way from pre-Columbian North America.

You couldn't just "burn down a forest" but discarding a match. The forestry services are very good (arguably TOO good) at containing forest fires not by extinguishing the fire but by cutting it off with firewalls in the forest.

And applying this to Political leaders, their security aren't dummies. The President is extremely well protected, in 1963 Kennedy's USSS detail didn't take an precaution for a gunman in a window. Robert Kennedy was assassinated as at the time candidates weren't given Secret Service protection.

The thing is, the type of people who are crazy enough to want to kill a political leader are also so mentally deficient that they cannot outsmart the security. It's like a straight jacket, Houdini said that he didn't make the straight jacket obsolete by how he was able to so easily escape from them because the type of analytical mind needed to escape a straight jacket is precisely the type that would stop you ever end up getting put in one.

Political assassination is not the worry right now, it's relatively easy to protect one man or woman. The problem today is protecting EVERYONE ELSE!

Things like en mass terrorist attacks are harder to prevent and arguably much more devastating than a president who is limited to only 2 terms anyway. Of the thousands of flights every day, Al Qaeda consider it a victory to blow one of them out of the sky and it would truly terrify and intimidate everyone.
 

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Treblaine said:
The thing is, the type of people who are crazy enough to want to kill a political leader are also so mentally deficient that they cannot outsmart the security. It's like a straight jacket, Houdini said that he didn't make the straight jacket obsolete by how he was able to so easily escape from them because the type of analytical mind needed to escape a straight jacket is precisely the type that would stop you ever end up getting put in one.
Depends on the leaders. People like the PotUS have massive protection, yeah (though they've learnt that the hard way), not necessarily everyone else. Trying to murder your rulers seesm to be more popular in the US then certain other western states, nobody has even tried to murder an Australian PM, for example (besides Holt conspiracy theories).

Buckingham palace has had a few security scares a while back, where randoms got much furhter in than they should.