Poll: Does Hardcore = Guns in Games?

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Toriver

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So lately I have been reading a lot about "hardcore" vs. "casual" and what the definition of a "hardcore" vs. a "casual" game or gamer is, and the most mitigating factor in such a definition I find to be...

the presence of GUNS.

The more guns in your game, the more "hardcore" it seems to be. At least, that's how it's turning out this generation. When someone mentions "hardcore", the first games that come to people's minds seem to be Halo, Call of Duty, Gears of War, Left 4 Dead, and maybe Bioshock. Even the more "hardcore" RPGs are turning into shooters, such as Mass Effect and Fallout 3. They even threw guns into such games as Fable 2 and Darksiders, though in those games you didn't necessarily have to use them. I also think (here comes the flamewar) that the primary reason the Wii gets so much crap from "hardcore" gamers is the lack of an open-world FPS (a la Halo, Call of Duty) on the console.

Now I don't mind guns in games in general; I did use the guns in Fable 2 and Darksiders decently often. However, for the sake of full disclosure, I have never been a fan of FPS. I would like to state my ultimate opinion that (more flamewar fodder) Halo has negatively affected gaming in this way, despite other positive effects it has had. I play plenty of games and would like to call myself a "hardcore" gamer, but nowadays I fear that word has been so strongly attached to the FPS genre that I would think anyone would look at my game collection and severely deny that I am a "hardcore" gamer.

What do you think? Am I right or wrong? I know there are more of you out there who don't enjoy FPS, so do you consider yourselves hardcore? Do you even like the term? If you do think guns make games hardcore, or that FPS in general are more hardcore than other genres, what makes such a game more hardcore, or a player who plays them more hardcore than one who doesn't?
 

Arcticflame

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No way. The old atari games that didnt involve guns at all were way harder than 99% of the "hardcore" fps games nowadays.

Just look at paperboy, or skate or die. That's hardcore.

To add more is hardcore.

And it's in no way an FPS.
 

Kollega

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Five words: I Wanna Be The Guy.

To elaborate: modern definition of "hardcore" is utterly wrong. It's supposed to mean "insane difficulty", but somehow it came to mean "grit and machismo" instead. I suppose we can thank the mainstream FPS players, insecure 15-to-25-year-old men, for that.
 

Onyx Oblivion

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Hardcore has nothing to do with guns, it has everything to do with difficulty. I mean shit like the Devil May Cry games on Dante Must Die difficulty. Bullet Hell games. N+. I Wanna Be The Guy.
Some fighting games.

 

DeadlyYellow

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Nowadays it certainly seems so. Used to be it was a division between skill and memorization (old 'hardcore' titles) and luck based(casual.)


Of course, any game can be played 'hardcore.'
 

Mehall

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Kollega said:
Five words: I Wanna Be The Guy.
The kid has a gun! He even has unlimited ammo! Your point is null!


However: I don't think Battletoads had a gun, I only remember an axe.
 

Arcticflame

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Ffs, Escapist is having a cry at me for editing too quickly.

Delete if a mod feels like it. :\
 

Jandau

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Dragon Age didn't feature any guns and a lot of people still cry about not being to beat it on Normal (or Easy for that matter)...
 

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Casual gamers like games with guns in too. Toss the Turtle, Bubble Tanks etc. These are few and far between tough as most people think Tetris when they think of Casual gamers.

Are there any guns in the GT series? People get REALLY good at that and you have to be a "hardcore" gamer to get to those times and get all of the gold licences.
 

BloodyThoughts

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No, ive seen some people get hardcore playing Kung Fu Panda, and that has zero guns!

Oh and I don't believe in "Hardcore" in games. It just means your a person who doesn't know the definition of "fun" and gets way to serious when playing a game.
 

SmartIdiot

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Nothing's hardcore these days. Despite technological advancements games have actually become watered down and are not nearly as 'hardcore' as they used to be.

I don't know where people get this whole 'more guns must mean more hardcore' in a game idea from. Look at Modern Warfare 2, pretty damn fun to play and yeah, if you're insistent on doing everything on Veteran it's a challenge but by no means is it hardcore. 'You will not survive'? Maybe not always but practice makes perfect and if not there's still a bzillion checkpoints to respawn from. Who came up with that idea anyway?
 

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Jandau said:
Dragon Age didn't feature any guns and a lot of people still cry about not being to beat it on Normal (or Easy for that matter)...
I guess sometimes non-gun-induced violence can make up for the absence of guns in games, as long as there is enough of it. Hence the blood spatters on characters after battle make up for the absence of guns, making it hardcore once more. Bioware knew what it was doing.

That, and sex scenes. Even if they are as bad as in Dragon Age. *shudder*
 

Jandau

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Fat_Hippo said:
Jandau said:
Dragon Age didn't feature any guns and a lot of people still cry about not being to beat it on Normal (or Easy for that matter)...
I guess sometimes non-gun-induced violence can make up for the absence of guns in games, as long as there is enough of it. Hence the blood spatters on characters after battle make up for the absence of guns, making it hardcore once more. Bioware knew what it was doing.

That, and sex scenes. Even if they are as bad as in Dragon Age. *shudder*
I turned off the blood spatter in DA:O, it didn't add to the game and it's still as badarse as before. Also, there's 2-3 sex scenes in the game and they only last a few seconds, I don't see the big deal. That's not what makes DA:O "hardcore"...

Also, I belive this thread is MASSIVELY confusing "hardcore" in the context of difficulty and "hardcore" in the context of content...
 

ChromeAlchemist

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No. To the modern (and what I call casual) gamer, violence = hardcore. And that's why I hope the idiocy of a portion of the modern generation who frequent buzzwords like hardcore games doesn't transfer to the next.

The hardcore game pretty much never existed by vocal definition until this generation, it's such a nasty marketing buzzword, and some gamers like it because it differentiates them from the scum and villainy of the gaming world, casual games.

I mean considering 12 year olds can and have breezed through half of the games some consider hardcore, something's wrong.

If hardcore games, as in games with punishing difficulty and an unwillingnes to wait for you to grasp the core mechanics of the game, existed as a subgenre in the industry, then fair enough.

But it doesn't.
 

reg42

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Kollega said:
Five words: I Wanna Be The Guy.
He has a gun in that though, but I get what you're saying.

Guns don't equal hardcore IMO, but I think its easier for devs to make a game hardcore with guns.