Poll: Dota / LoL / Smite All chat

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Tycon

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Although this feature is not exclusive to these games or Moba genre, they are quite popular as of now and are large multiplier games where you have the ability to immediately interact and communicate with 5 rivals and 4 allies. This issue has been an obvious recurring problem and is often about to threads to complain or vent. People generally argue people are inferior and lousy teammates or enemies, often criticizing them greatly and attributing no problem with themselves. The other side of the spectrum on this problem are people coming on forums to commonly complain about the insincerity and cruelty of people within their game. This has left me with the fundamental question that is all chat to blame for this, is it a problem that people are allowed to openly voice their opinions or concerns globally within the game even at the expense of another persons dignity? Also, will the removal of all chat fix this or is the notion just absurd, this is an inherit problem with the nature of competition and to be expected. All chat has been around for many multiplayer games but is generally used to exchange swears and fierce criticism, however it sometimes brings people to aknowledge each other and compliment one another.

This issue has left me quite puzzled and unsure how to feel as both sides of the argument make good points. Also even when taking a side on this issue one must ask themselves to what degree do we enforce that side. Allowing ultimate freedom of chat can drive a community away, especially sensitive players and newcomers to a game crushing its community. Police a game heavily and forcing the population to take a strict code of policy seams very infringing and only seams to oppress the community causing many to leave through frustration. What is the best way to solve both problems without "going overboard". I'll provide a short version of my opinion but take it with a grain of salt, I wish to know the general consensus.

To people who rage out and put others down during the game I must say I empathize with them, a personal friend of mine has this problem when we play with our group of friends and he always feels sorry after and sometimes embarrassed, especially if hes the one preforming sub-par. Some people see this game as an escape and as a release of their built up anger and emotions and with the opinion given to them to say whatever they want anonymous to faceless people its relaxing and liberating to break from the chains of their everyday life and let their anger through, often times I see these people trolling or being purposely mean exercising the ability to be honest and release stress. I know its frustrating to deal with newer players at times or people that may just make a snowballing mistake and they feel they just can't control their temper. The lashing of this temper often causes bad moral of the team and for the player to play worse

I also empathize with the people who may be new players, sensitive or be an average or even high quality player that makes a mistake and falls into a cycle of bad moral effecting reaction time and decision making as well as playing behind. I as well as almost every one has been in this position at least once and we all know how it feels, perhaps people see this attitude at this point and become aggressors them self later on when they improve. Although I choose to personally follow a code of respect to these players, I feel I must respect the elites opinion as well and wouldn't dare force my policy or decision of calm positive chat on them. Although they may be hateful they have valid ideas also and generally them speaking to use means they care about your performance and desire you to improve even if the motivation is to win on a personal scale.

My unfinished conclusions are I hope people will try to be respectful and know the people your playing with are people with names and faces and emotions. Please be nice and keep that in mind but don't force yourself to have to be someone your not, speak your mind even if people disagree and it may seam hateful. Keep in mind these people may be venting and despite how nasty they want to appear may just be venting or hurting themselves. I hope the community here on the escapist can tell me with all that on my mind said show me what I'm truly missing and what the real solution to all chat is. Thanks for reading this long winded post. Please try to persuade me which side of the issue I should take, thank you.
 

manic_depressive13

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In my experience most of the vitriol spewing goes on within your own group. Some taunts are occasionally exchanged through all chat but most of the trash talk stays in team.

Whether it's a good or bad thing... to me it's always just been a thing. I can't say all the trash talk is harming the community because MOBA communities are defined by being particularly vicious and unpleasant. Would the community even continue to exist without trash talk? I find it irritating sometimes, but other times I take pleasure in just being a complete dick. When I started it sort of bothered me, but since I lived through it I now see it as a sort of initiation rite.

Besides, it's not like we're going to change a whole community's attitude by discussing it on a forum. No one here even plays HoN.
 

General Grind

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I play HoN and I've got to say I think giving players the option to queue up in a mode called Gentleman's Club or something where calling another play noob, retard or flaming in general will get you banned for a short period would be a great boon for all players. That way the people who obviously get off by spewing forth the rage will be appeased as well as the rest of people who just play to play.

I think there is just something gone completely wrong in all MoBA's, where flaming has become the norm instead of the thing that happens every few games. I think there is a point to be made that there are a lot of kids playing the game who obviously are more inclined to go down the path of the rage and so pull down the rest of the community down to their level.
 

Candidus

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I don't understand your problem with ALL chat, to be honest.

I don't know anyone who was put off of Dota 2 because of what was said to them or about them in ALL chat. People expect and are generally able to deal /w smack talk from enemies.

What they hate and fear, what drives them away from the game is harsh criticism and insults from allies in allied chat.

If you want to avoid that, find a group of people- like mine- who four or five-stack at all times and whose goals are to have fun, experiment and learn in that order.

There are plenty of dota2 steam groups and academy-type teams that have a Z-T policy regarding in-team nastiness. They improve the experience by several orders of magnitude.
 

Smertnik

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General Grind said:
I think there is just something gone completely wrong in all MoBA's, where flaming has become the norm instead of the thing that happens every few games. I think there is a point to be made that there are a lot of kids playing the game who obviously are more inclined to go down the path of the rage and so pull down the rest of the community down to their level.
Is it the norm, though? I've been playing DotA 2 for 300h or so and people didn't seem any more or less friendly than in any other multiplayer game I know.
 

DugMachine

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If your overall point is MOBAs have shit communities then yes, you're correct. But the games are fun and that's all that matters. You have in game options to mute people so you don't have to read their hate.

That being said, while I'm no 12 year old spewing curse words and racist remarks, I will get upset if you're 'throwing' my game. I play to win. When I win I'm having fun. I'll accept loss if I was seriously outplayed but if I have someone named "faggot420yoloswag" on my team and he's not even TRYING to play the meta and has a wtf build then you best believe i'll have a few words for that guy.
 

Bravo Company

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I'm still new with DOTA 2 (I've only played ~20 hours) and I haven't seen much/any rage from all chat. I use it at the beginning of the game with a "gl hf" and that's about all I see from all chat. Occasionally I'll commend someone on a nice gank, or a good maneuver if they were on the other team using all chat, but I'll do the same for an ally using the appropriate chat as well.
 

The Wykydtron

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Well I use all chat in LoL for mostly gg's or a comment on something if I see something really glitchy. Like when Rengar's passive went batshit crazy the once with him just jumping on the guy on every autoattack because we were fighting in a bush and he was Singed so he was moving just a tiny bit for gas.

"bounce bounce bounce ^^"

Or if a game descends into a load of shitty jokes on both teams or I use a LOAD of <3's when I play Shen. Because OH THE SAVES! THE PLLLAAAYYZZZZZZZZ!!!!!
 

SomeLameStuff

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General Grind said:
I play HoN
What's this? Someone other than me who actually knows and plays HoN?! Is the world ending already?!?! I'll pack my toothbrush...

OT: While there could be less of it, smacktalk really makes the game. And there's always the Ignore function for anyone being a dick in the chat anyway. So there's no reason to disable All Chat.

That, and I wouldn't feel right without my chat macros