Poll: Dragon Age II

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Shadows Risen

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Just completed DA:O again, and lately I've been considering getting DA2. Now I know a lot of people on here despise that game but I'm not really sure if that's just fanboys hating it because it did something different, or if there was some glaring flaws in the game (that said, Origins isn't exactly perfect either). As long as the story is pretty good and the combat isn't a total chore, I'm happy.

So, should I get it?
 

Weaver

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Keeping in mind all this is my opinion:

The story isn't good. To me, it just fell flat. I've heard people say the point was to develop a more intimate and relateable story about hawke and his/her family, their trials and tribulations without having to resort to the big bad "archdemon is going to end the world" trope.

If this was their intent, they still failed. You are never given any reason to care about a single character.

The combat wasn't necessarily a "chore". In fact the combat mechanics itself were fine, but the encounters are flagrantly broken and poorly designed, making the fights you enter somewhat on the tedious side.
 

Soviet Heavy

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Quest variety is very limited. You will either be fighting swarms of enemies who attack in waves, or performing a fetch quest involving picking up random junk and then finding the corresponding NPC.
 

The_Lost_King

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As a HUGE fan of da;o and to a lesser extent dao:a, don't get it. After playing God of War, I realize that da2 = mass effect + God of war + the Thedas setting. It is a terrible game from bioware standards and a mediocre game from regular standards. If you liked GoW you will like this. If you were looking for a successor to dragon age don't get it.
 

Talshere

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Its an average game that comes across very badly because its being compared to one of the best RPG's of the time.
 

StriderShinryu

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Generally, most of the hate does come from the fact that it isn't just DA:O 1.5

There are definite problems that can't (and shouldn't) be ignored like the constant re-use of quest zones and the lack of definite sense of passage of time even though you're in the same basic place for 10 years, but they aren't deal breakers.

If you want a Bioware game that continues your experience in DA:O without being anything near a retread of the same game, you should enjoy DA2. It's got the same Bioware story and character crafting you like, the same basic combat system as in DA:O (just in a more flashy, fast and less MMO-lite feeling way), and the same mythos.
 

Savagezion

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Shadows Risen said:
Just completed DA:O again, and lately I've been considering getting DA2. Now I know a lot of people on here despise that game but I'm not really sure if that's just fanboys hating it because it did something different, or if there was some glaring flaws in the game (that said, Origins isn't exactly perfect either). As long as the story is pretty good and the combat isn't a total chore, I'm happy.

So, should I get it?
Both are true. Go in knowing that the game was developed in a year. Don't have exceedingly high expectations. "Dragon Effect" is the best explanation as to what you are getting into but with a more personalized story over an epic like ME has been pushing.

It isn't ground breaking in any sense of the word and exploration is very limited. However, if you just want to experience something new along the lore, it works well. You will have a couple things you'll want to nag about based on your tastes, just to let you know.

Overall, I voted yes. I liked it for what it was - not what it was expected to be. Expectations are key here.
 

Sp3ratus

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Well, the thing is, it is, more than anything, somewhat of a disappointment, after you've played Origins. The sequel was churned out much, much faster than DA:O was and it shows, which really is a shame, because it could have been a fantastic game. As it is now, it's a good game, fun and functional game with a brave attempt at telling a different kind of story.

Some people will call it a "button masher", but it's not, not really anyway. When you play on higher difficulties, especially on nightmare, it's a challenge and anything but a button masher. The combat really is the highlight of the game, at least it is for me. Strategising and positioning so that everyone works is quite fun for me. The only thing I dislike is that in the vanilla game, there are a lot less different combinations, than there was in DA:O. Some of the optional side quests and bosses are especially fun.

Now, as for the bad things, lots of reused areas, somewhat incoherent story and the game could really have benefitted from a city that actually changes over time. The story is supposed to take place over a few years(I forget how many), but nothing changes, absolutely nothing, merchants are in the same places and no one moves. It's quite jarring.

Anyway, should you buy it? If you like to play on nightmare, it's a definite recommendation from me, because there, the game really shines. The story isn't THAT bad, but it's just somewhat incoherent. Also, some of the companions are pretty good in this one and feels much more "alive" so to speak, as they not only speak to you, but also each other in cutscenes, even if it is scripted.
 

Tahaneira

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It has issues. The number of sidequests fall off sharply as you get further and further into the game, and most of the action takes place in one of three 'cave' maps. The controls are a shock coming in from Origins simply because they're so different, but once you get past that they don't get in the way.

As for the story, I feel it's nowhere as bad as the haters make it out to be. I loved the characters and the setting intrigued me. One of the reasons I feel they think it sucks is because unlike practically every other RPG out there, you don't play some heroically destined badass fated to alter the course of the world forever. You play a (still badass) person who gets caught up in events far beyond his or her control, and in the process of fighting to survive the changes to the world winds up receiving credit for it. If anything, the change of pace is one of the reasons I love the game: Hawke gets caught up in a powder keg that explodes into civil war not because of what s/he does, or some big evil person/demon/entity sitting in the background laughing evilly while twirling their mustache does. It's circumstance. Thousands of little things aligning in just the right way at just the wrong time that are completely unstoppable by one person, no matter how capable. That implied lack of control over the world you're taking part in can be unsettling for someone who's used to singlehandedly averting the apocalypse. If that doesn't sound like something you can get behind, pass it by.

Is it as good as Origins? No. Is it better than most other games out there? Yes.

But those are just my thoughts/infodump. Only way you'll know is to play it yourself. *shrug*
 

Kahunaburger

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To put it bluntly, the story isn't good (especially not by Bioware standards) and the combat is in fact a chore. If you're looking for a good Bioware-style RPG, I'd suggest a Witcher game or Human Revolution. Fallout: New Vegas also has some of the same sort of things going for it - particularly related to party members with character arcs - and all the bugs are ironed out by now. You also might want to check out a JRPG (ewwww!) if you like stories with lots of characters, lots of interactions between those characters, and an emphasis on narrative. Recently I liked Devil Survivor, and I'm currently downloading Recettear and plan to play the shit out of it.
 

Casual Shinji

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Depends.

Do you want to play an RPG in which you have absolutely zero amount of choice?

If yes, then go for it.
 

Valdus

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StriderShinryu said:
Generally, most of the hate does come from the fact that it isn't just DA:O 1.5
I'm sure none of the other major flaws in the game have anything to do with it, because not liking a game you like obviously means we hate it for something silly instead of something valid.

The story was the coup de grace for me. It was just...so bad. I can understand trying to make a personal story rather than "save the world", but my problem isn't the story itself, it's the fact that it's told in such a poor fashion and is filled with so much crap.

Using an example (and trying to avoid spoilers) - certain story elements regarding Hawke's Family seems very rushed and put in mainly for shock value. Especially considering you are specifically given choices related to one particular event and no choice you make actually helps. Isn't one of the selling points of the game meant to be that you can make choices and influence the story? Go to the gallows in Act 3 and have a look at all the NPC mages you would have talked to in previous arcs. Notice how they're there regardless of what choices you make? Why give me choices if you're just going to take the results away anyway?

The Dialogue wheel was an annoyance. In essence you do not choose what you say unlike Origins, you simply choose how you say it. So if it's already decided that you're helping someone, you can only choose to be nice about it, be a smart ass or just be a dick.

IF none of these are reasons to dislike the game then I'll throw it just one more - Anders. The comic relief of Awakening is back as the whiny emo brat who does nothing but ***** about how bad mages have got it (even though every mage apart from him and your sister is either a blood mage or turns into one) and even becomes a full-on terroist bomber by the end INTENTIONALLY BLOWING UP PEOPLE WHO EVEN WANT TO HELP HIM. Yes, that's right, he actually states that he wanted to kill someone who was in the Chantry and supporting the rights of the mages. Seriously, even if all the other problems of the game didn't exist this character would just annoy me too much to want to keep playing.
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
Quest variety is very limited. You will either be fighting swarms of enemies who attack in waves, or performing a fetch quest involving picking up random junk and then finding the corresponding NPC.
Surely that isn't your only reason? Most RPG's suffer greatly from this (both linear and especially open world such as Skyrim)
 

Soviet Heavy

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SpaceBat said:
Soviet Heavy said:
Quest variety is very limited. You will either be fighting swarms of enemies who attack in waves, or performing a fetch quest involving picking up random junk and then finding the corresponding NPC.
Surely that isn't your only reason? Most RPG's suffer greatly from this (both linear and especially open world such as Skyrim)
I'm not going to make comparisons to other series to make Dragon Age 2 look bad. I will just say what I felt was done poorly in the game. Like I said, questing variety is limited. This is made worse by the recycling of maps. It might not have been so bad if the quests themselves had something to spice things up, but so many times in the game, it was: travel to this cave to defeat these bandits.
 

SpaceBat

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Soviet Heavy said:
SpaceBat said:
Soviet Heavy said:
Quest variety is very limited. You will either be fighting swarms of enemies who attack in waves, or performing a fetch quest involving picking up random junk and then finding the corresponding NPC.
Surely that isn't your only reason? Most RPG's suffer greatly from this (both linear and especially open world such as Skyrim)
I'm not going to make comparisons to other series to make Dragon Age 2 look bad. I will just say what I felt was done poorly in the game. Like I said, questing variety is limited. This is made worse by the recycling of maps. It might not have been so bad if the quests themselves had something to spice things up, but so many times in the game, it was: travel to this cave to defeat these bandits.
Fair enough. Thanks for your reply.
 

skywolfblue

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It's not the "pit of all evil" that a lot of people portray it to be. It's a decent game with some good points.

Yet at the same time, yes there are some pretty big problems with it. Re-used environments and the fact that your final choice doesn't matter are my big quips. If you can get over that, the gameplay in 2 is pretty fun, much faster and interactive then DAO.

If you can get it for cheep, go for it.
 

Shavon513

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The story is pretty good, could be better, but it was a bit rushed. It was fun, but doesn't necessarily encourage a whole lot of replay. You'll either love or hate the gameplay.

As it's on sale, it's worth a shot to play, imo.
 

ZeroMachine

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YES is winning?

Go team.

Get it. Make your own judgement. It's good. Not AS good as Origins, but still good.

Just keep in mind that it's a drastically different type of story from what Bioware usually tells.
 

DustyDrB

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Yeah, get it. It's a good game. It's got Aveline and Varric. And it has Varric's chest hair. That makes it an obvious yes.