Poll: Dragon Ball Z Dubs

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Soviet Heavy

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Are all hit and miss. Depending on where you live, you could have heard any number of different dubs. And each of them have their pros and cons. I'll be focusing on the major two.
The two most widely known dubs are the so called Ocean Dub, and the Funimation Dub. I hear a lot of people bash the Ocean dub for it's editing out of violence and censoring language, but after looking it up, I found a very interesting reason for it's varying shifts in quality.

When Funimation originally acquired the rights to Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, it was still a new company, having only been founded a year earlier. In 1995, Funimation wasn't the much larger company it is now. It worked in tandem with Saban Entertainment to achieve the funding required to keep the show on air. So, the voice work was outsourced to the Vancouver based Ocean Group, whom you might know from other mid 90's dubs, or more recently, the Dawn of War series of video games.

The first two sagas of DBZ, the Saiyan and Namek arcs, were both done by the Ocean Group, and looking back, they are very high quality, apart from their language censorship. But the show was having a hard time finding its audience, until Toonami arrived on Cartoon Network. The quality of the dubbing was too expensive, and so the first two sagas were repeated on TV constantly until Toonami gave the show better ratings. The Ocean Ginyus are amazing.

Once the show became profitable, Funimation moved away from outsourced Voice Acting to use their recently created in house studio. So, in 1998, Funimation's dub of DBZ was created, and became the mainstay for the United States audience.

But the Ocean Dub, despite not being needed anymore, still persisted. Due to Canada's laws requiring a certain amount of Canadian made content be shown on our broadcasts, the Ocean Group was again contracted to work on the show. Saban and an England based company continued to finance the Ocean Dub. New, Canadian composed music was created for the show, as well as recycled music from other productions, such as the Ocean dubbed Megaman show, in order to meet content requirements. However, due to management disagreements, a large number of the Ocean Group's VAs quit or were fired, leading to a decline in quality over the Android and Cell Arcs.

I think this dramatic drop in quality is where a number of Funimation fans beef with the Ocean Dub comes in. It was lazy, rushed, and poorly handled compared to the Funi dub, all because Canadian broadcasting throws a tantrum if we don't run our own shitty programming. But, despite that, the Fusion Saga up to the end of the Buu arcs was done much better, having found more solid voice work and better sound editing. I really love how much better Brian Drummond's Vegeta sounds in the Majin Buu series.

So, the Ocean Dub. Started out great, then due to Funimation's breaking ties with Saban and Canada's goddamn content rules, fell apart, before being built back up.

The Funimation Dub was the result of the higher ratings and better funding that Funi achieved once the show became popular during the rise of Toonami. Like Ocean before it, it has its ups and downs, but overall remains very solid. There are really three variations of the Funi dubs: the terrible first round, the excellent Uncut Dub, and the fantastic DBZ Kai Dub.

When Funi first started doing the dubs, they didn't want viewers to notice the change in voices for fear of alienating fans. So, early Funimation dubs have Christopher Sabat doing awful, awful work, with a hissing Vegeta that sounds more like an old man, mentally retarded Recoome, and just a bad Nappa voice. Sean Shemmel was always solid, and still is the best Goku voice the show has done, overall. In some areas, Kirby Morrow or Ian James Corlett beat him out, but on the whole Sean is Son Goku.

The Uncut Dub came later when Funimation went back to redub the older episodes previously done by Ocean. It was much more consistent, with Sabat finally getting his Vegeta voice down to what we expect, and really just letting them make the character's their own, rather than doing a bad copy of Ocean's voices.

DBZ Kai is an extension of that. With the more lax censorship laws, the voice work had even more time and experience to come up with a truly great dub, that far outdoes anything Funimation's DBZ efforts beforehand were ever capable of. It still has its hiccups like Gohan and Recoome, but on the whole, if you were to watch DBZ for the first time, this would be the one to go with.

I don't have as much to say about Funimation because it was done after all the behind the scenes crap that happened with Ocean had passed by. Both Dubs are great, but for different reasons, and it really depends on your preference of tone. Ocean is generally more intense, with heavier music and intimidating voice acting. Funimation Uncut is your classic DBZ, with the great Bruce Faulconer score to back it up. DBZ Kai is more lighthearted, but everyone is obviously having fun with the dub work, so it's hard to stay mad if you hate happy things, like a soulless robot.

Being Canadian, I grew up with the Ocean Dub, so while I definitely appreciate the Funimation Dubs, I still have to hold onto Ocean in my heart. It is pure nostalgia for me, and with DBZ, you need all the nostalgia fuel you can get to power through the filler.

And then there's the Big Green dub, switching between poetic, almost Shakespearian dialogue:

And mind numbingly bad to the point of comedy.

All done by three voice actors apparently. Only watch if drunk or tired.

So, which did you grow up with? Which do you prefer? I expect a landslide win for Funimation, but it would be nice to see another Ocean fan.
 

Sean Hollyman

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I'm pretty sure I grew up watching Ocean as a kid, because I remember Vegeta having that sneery voice. After the Frieza saga, I don't remember.

But when I rewatched it all recently, I have to say Funi. I prefer the voices (especially Cell and Vegeta) and Bruce Faulconer's music is awesome! Best song in DBZ right there.


My parents bought me the Lord Slug DVD as a kid, and it was the Big Green Dub. Even back then I knew something was wrong.. Goku's voice... eurgh
 

Relish in Chaos

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They were both shit, with poor voice acting, shitty replacement scores and retarded script changes. But I prefer the FUNimation dub because I grew up with their voices. However, they have improved vastly for their DBZ Kai dub. Apparently, Ocean might be doing a DBZ Kai dub too, but there hasn't been much word on that.
 

Hazy992

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No Malaysian dub? I am disappoint.


OT: Funimation dub. Other than Brian Drummond and Scott McNeill I just don't think the voices suit the characters.[footnote]Still prefer Chris Sabat in both instances though[/footnote] Plus they just went overboard with the censorship. I also prefer Bruce Faulconers score (japanese score is the best though)

Kai shits on both those dubs though IMO.
 

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We had the privilege of having a direct translation of the uncut japanese version. And amazingly well acted too.

Kai is a vastly inferior version of what we already had. It's still censured.
 

Sean Hollyman

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Hazy992 said:
No Malaysian dub? I am disappoint.


OT: Funimation dub. Other than Brian Drummond and Scott McNeill I just don't think the voices suit the characters. Plus they just went overboard with the censorship. I also prefer Bruce Faulconers score (japanese score is the best though)

Kai shits on both those dubs though IMO.
Jesus, that Malay dub is HILARIOUS!
 

Hazy992

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Sean Hollyman said:
Jesus, that Malay dub is HILARIOUS!
Binnsyboy said:
That is clearly the best voice acting I've ever seen. I'm just blown away by the sheer talent exhibited here!
I actually think we should just stop making any more animation. We clearly can't top this dub so there's no point in trying
 

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Hazy992 said:
Sean Hollyman said:
Jesus, that Malay dub is HILARIOUS!
Binnsyboy said:
That is clearly the best voice acting I've ever seen. I'm just blown away by the sheer talent exhibited here!
I actually think we should just stop making any more animation. We clearly can't top this dub so there's no point in trying
Close, but no. All animation VA work should be outsourced to these guys.

Adventure Time, DBZ, Futurama, ALL OF IT!
 

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Like Sean Hollyman, I'm also certain that I grew up with Ocean Dub first too. For the same reason which is the memory of Vegeta's lighter voice. I especially recall it during Namek when he learned that his dragonball that he hid in that water was taken. Just the way he was screaming "I'll get you!" was definitely not Sabat, I'm sure of it.

That being said, I'm copping out and not choosing because I don't really know if Ocean was all bad. I didn't mind old Vegeta's voice at all. So I think except for the music which pales in comparison, I'd probably enjoy both equally.
 

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Well, y'all know what the dubs gave us, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsDDXSmGJZA
 

Relish in Chaos

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That was incorrect anyway; both the battle power number and Brian Drummond's delivery (Vegeta's meant to be mildly peeved, not full-on pissed; he's still much stronger than Gokuu, even with the Kaiouken x2). Both the manga and the original Japanese version have Gokuu at over 8,000, not 9,000, which creates a plothole in and of itself because that would make his Kaiouken x2 BP 18,000, and Vegeta was stated to be 18,00 by Dodoria before powering up by Namek, yet Gokuu himself said that Vegeta was beating him in both power and speed.
 

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I chose Funimation, and since there isn't a choice between the original Funimation Dub and Kai, I'll just say it here: The original Funimation dub is VASTLY superior in every single way to the Kai dub. No contest.
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
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So, questions. What other changes does DBZ Kai make, if any?

Is there a place to watch DBZ Kai for free or is it something we have to buy a boxset too or something?

My wife and I may be getting into DBZ, but I want to start with Dragonball. Is there anything similar for Dragonball I need to watch out for?