Poll: Electric Cars

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Mathew952

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I understand that aerodynamics are important. But can we design an electric car with SOME masculinity? A lot of people buy cars based on image, and I imagine that cars like this, don't give you the best image:
http://www.metaefficient.com/images/Elettrica_electric_Car_lithium_ion.jpg
http://www.greendallas.net/images/electric_car_brecher01.jpg
http://www.ecosherpa.com/images/dynasty_car.jpg
http://www.shiotsu-used-car.com/blogpics/nissan_pivo_elctric_car.jpg
 

Aqualung

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LOL. All of those cars looked like they popped out of an ABBA music video, for some reason.

I would not buy those. But then again, I like walking and subways, so..
 

Dorian

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As long as people love the environment, electric cars shall thrive. And as long as frivolous, shallow, empty-headed people live, there shall be rooms-on-wheels SUVs to kill them.
 

Rascarin

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Aren't electric cars really poor-performace compared to regular cars? Like, they can't exceed 50mph, and they do 0-60 in about half an hour? And don't the batteries run out REALLY quickly?

I would say thats more of an issue than just how they look. I wouldn't buy one because they're crap.

I just looked at the pictures. Those things are frickin hideous.
 

bad rider

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Well to be fair no car manufacturer is gonna make electric cars look nice. They have too much tied up in fuel based vehicles.
 

Horticulture

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Rascarin said:
Aren't electric cars really poor-performace compared to regular cars? Like, they can't exceed 50mph, and they do 0-60 in about half an hour? And don't the batteries run out REALLY quickly?

I would say thats more of an issue than just how they look. I wouldn't buy one because they're crap.

I just looked at the pictures. Those things are frickin hideous.
Not all of them. [http://www.teslamotors.com/]
 

z121231211

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I saw something in school about Electric Cars. Apparently GM made a normal looking electric car that was really good, but marketed it horribly and just destroyed all of them.

The technology is there to make good, normal looking Electric Cars. And as electric cars become popular then the technology will improve.
 

Flying-Emu

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Electric cars in general are a rather hilarious enterprise to me. I mean, c'mon. Where do you think that charge came from?

More than likely, it came from burning petrol. Some came from wind power, or hydropower, but really? Most of it likely comes from oil. Not very good for the environment anymore, is it?
 

Shadow Law

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Rascarin said:
Aren't electric cars really poor-performace compared to regular cars? Like, they can't exceed 50mph, and they do 0-60 in about half an hour? And don't the batteries run out REALLY quickly?

I would say thats more of an issue than just how they look. I wouldn't buy one because they're crap.

I just looked at the pictures. Those things are frickin hideous.
Haven done a project on electric cars for my college class I have learned:
A) Electric cars can go faster then 60mph
B) Its not the single charge for the battery that's the problem but that every time you recharge it it loses .01% of its total power capacity, and even with that the car can still go about 40 miles a charge which 78% of American daily commuters travel less then that a day.
C) they're built that way for lightest weight possible along with space inside the car.
 

z121231211

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Flying-Emu said:
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More than likely, it came from burning petrol. Some came from wind power, or hydropower, but really? Most of it likely comes from oil. Not very good for the environment anymore, is it?
And that will never change?
 

The Shade

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My only problem with them is that they're so quiet. One drove past me the other day while I was crossing the street, and I totally didn't hear it coming. You could sneak up on someone in one of those suckers and run 'em down!!!

Maybe it's just statistical clustering, since I have a bad habit of going through the cross-walk and just assuming the cars will notice me and not goosh me.
 

Flying-Emu

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z121231211 said:
Flying-Emu said:
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More than likely, it came from burning petrol. Some came from wind power, or hydropower, but really? Most of it likely comes from oil. Not very good for the environment anymore, is it?
And that will never change?
Probably not until we run out of oil, since it's such a lucrative business.
 

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Mathew952 said:
http://www.shiotsu-used-car.com/blogpics/nissan_pivo_elctric_car.jpg
The last one on your list is just a concept-car, although it's true electric cars aren't lookers on the whole.

Appart from the Tesla:
http://p9.hostingprod.com/@www.analyticalwealth.com/images/who-tesla-electric-car.jpg

0-60mph in 3.9 seconds.
max speed of 125 mph.
 

riftinducer

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Flying-Emu said:
Electric cars in general are a rather hilarious enterprise to me. I mean, c'mon. Where do you think that charge came from?

More than likely, it came from burning petrol. Some came from wind power, or hydropower, but really? Most of it likely comes from oil. Not very good for the environment anymore, is it?
That's the line I use pretty much any time anyone mentions electric cars taking over. Electric cars are a waste of time, as far as I'm concerned. Hydrogen fuel-cell cars, on the other hand, make more sense, and don't make you look like an extra from the Jetsons. James May did a roadtest of the Honda FCX Clarity a while ago for Top Gear (it's here [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOfzbaglUOo] if anyones interested), which kind of sums up my thoughts on the subject. The only real problem is that the infrastructure isn't yet in place to make them available everywhere.
 
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I find it kind of funny that people make such a fuss about Electric cars being essential to environmental well being when in fact they are actually about as awful for it as normal cars. In fact, it's one of those concepts that, despite being incredibly counter-intuitive, are actually kind of crappy for the environment (like recycling paper!).

Now before I get drowned by a giant wave of "BUT IT DOESN'T USE GASOLINE!" Obviously this is true. But gasoline isn't the only part of a car that's bad for the environment. What else is it about a car that hurts the environment? Well...everything. Cars are complex machines. Mining the steel and aluminum frames required to make their chassis, mining the nickel and iron used for the engine blocks, refining crude oil into the plastics for other components etc. etc. etc. are all things that use up raw minerals, and ever hated "industrial power" to obtain. Not to mention that putting the damn things together takes up and wastes a far amount of energy and material anyway, with or without gasoline it can still be a harmful endeavor.

But running on little to no gasoline is an improvement right? And every improvement counts! Well no, not really. People don't seem to realize that batteries don't grow on trees. Especially batteries that power a car wholly or in part. Making a normal car battery is bad enough. Making one to power a whole car is exponentially worse. Making a battery generates ENORMOUS amounts of waste. This would be fine, except for the fact that most electric cars use lithium batteries. Lithium batteries begin degrading literally the second they are manufactured, and don't have any real lasting capacity. You will have to replace it. And while replacing batteries isn't quite as bad using gasoline in the long term, it would take a long time of driving an electric car to make the payoff worth it. This is assuming that electric cars have a long functional life. They don't.

Q.E.D., the absence of electric cars as a predominant form of transportation isn't a result of greedy close minded corporate fat cats, wringing their fattened hands at the thoughts of stamping all over those dirty proles. They're simply infeasible in the long run. If you want a way to help the environment, cheapen manufacturing and make it more efficient.

Edit: riftinducer, thanks for beating me to the punch on hydrogen cells. I was going to mention them, but forgot. Also, god I love Top Gear.
 

zacaron

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/sigh most electric cars look just like regular cars, they are just much better because: fuel efficeincy and since they lack a combustion engin they are lighter and less prone to breaking or requiring matenince.
 
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Just because it lacks a combustion engine doesn't make it less complex and less maintenance heavy. Transformers and capacitors break down just as much as any other piece of machinery. And at least when a combustion engine breaks down, there are thousands of mechanics all over the US with the technical knowledge to fix it. Did your electric engine break down? Good luck finding a small cheap company with the knowledge required to fix it.
 

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Horticulture said:
Rascarin said:
Aren't electric cars really poor-performace compared to regular cars? Like, they can't exceed 50mph, and they do 0-60 in about half an hour? And don't the batteries run out REALLY quickly?

I would say thats more of an issue than just how they look. I wouldn't buy one because they're crap.

I just looked at the pictures. Those things are frickin hideous.
Not all of them. [http://www.teslamotors.com/]
It seems I was way too slow.