Poll: Fallout Series, My thoughts, your thoughts.

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Foolishman1776

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In my opinion, Fallout 2 was hands down the best in the series. The dialogue was well written, the jokes were laden with gallows humor, and it was so sharp you could cut yourself on it. The weapons had variety, were interesting, and they got the job done. It was, in so many ways the standard by which other games are to be judged. The console shoot'em up game was horrid, appealing to no one. The original and Tactics were both okay, though Tactics suffered from the problem of late game enemies laughing off your puny attempts to harm them.

Out of the series, though, I honestly feel that Fallout 3 was the weakest. It's not a bad game, by any means, and it is fun to play. It's just not as memorable as the others. I suppose it's possible that this is because I've seen it all before, and there's nothing new under the sun; but one of the major strengths of the series has always been it's dialogue, and while Three did have some funny dialogue, it just wasn't as hilarious, as say the CDEDBD ducks gag from the first one.

Moreover, the series has, in previous outings, included real world weapons, not so in Three, it's a small complaint, but the Desert Eagle has ALWAYS been a mainstay of the series. More than that, Three had the same problem as Oblivion in that all the encounters were level adjusted. This made leveling your character of questionable value in Oblivion (the game is actually easiest if you never level your character), and makes some things far more difficult than they have to be in Fallout 3.

One final thought on Fallout 3. The Elder Scrolls character development system worked well for The Elder Scrolls games. The SPECIAL system worked well for the Fallout Series. The attempt to mix the two resulted in a system that had far too low a level cap, and even when the level cap was raised, all that did was make it possible to max every single skill. The hard cap at 100 for everything goes against the entire rest of the series where the skills capped at somewhere around 255. The SPECIAL system allowed you to specialize (no pun intended) like no one's business, and if you thought you were going to max all the skills, you were crazy. The Three SPECIAL system not only discourages, but actually does not allow specialization. Not only because Small Arms are more or less worthless past the mid game, but because in order to beat the game at all, you have to use all the skills. You couldn't, say, make a technophobic character who refused to use energy weapons or computers. You wouldn't be able to finish the game.

Oh, and for those who don't know SPECIAL means Strength, Perception, Endurance, Charisma, Intelligence, Agility, Luck; these are the primary stats of the game.
 

tucci

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Quite a mouthful, but solid points. You also forgot to mention how easily you could break Fallout by using the Gamble skill. Hehehe put your luck to at least 7, raise the gambling skill to at least 75, and tape down the button, come back in an hour, have 9999999 bottlecaps.

I also didn't like the fact that everything was simplified in Fallout 3, in older Fallouts things seemed to have real world value, meaning shit was expensive. Anyway, Fallout 2 for Life
 

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tucci said:
Quite a mouthful, but solid points. You also forgot to mention how easily you could break Fallout by using the Gamble skill. Hehehe put your luck to at least 7, raise the gambling skill to at least 75, and tape down the button, come back in an hour, have 9999999 bottlecaps.

I also didn't like the fact that everything was simplified in Fallout 3, in older Fallouts things seemed to have real world value, meaning shit was expensive. Anyway, Fallout 2 for Life
I agree. And I'm split between Fallout and Fallout 2. Getting to the Necropolis in 1 to find the Water Chip to stop the timer can be a ***** sometimes.
Yet I didn't like the story, or the ending to Fallout 2 as much.
 

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I was introduced to the series with Fallout 3, and I enjoyed it enough to wish that I had played the previous games, especially after seeing how fond everyone is of them.
Of course, due to the general love for Ocarina of Time despite its mediocrity, I am always suspicious when people fervently claim that older titles were the best.
As things stand, I loved Fallout 3, and I look forward to any future iterations of the series.
 

Stevepinto3

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Speaking as someone who only played Fallout 3, I agree with you in the second paragraph quite a bit. It's to easy to simply do everything, and by level 10 I found there to be virtually no threats at all. Even regular giant scorpion attacks were of little challenge.

I went back to the beginning and tried to play through specializing in unarmed and science, ignoring lock picking and guns. This turned out to be a huge flop, as really small guns is the only practical combat skill. The game also lacks the depth that the giant world suggests. There is a lack of quests, and you hit level 20 before you know it anyway.

I think Bethesda could take some hints from this for New Vegas. The great thing about an RPG is choosing a role, a unique playstyle. If I can max out everything then that defeats my characters uniqueness. Also, up the challenge some more! By the time you get an assault rifle the game is a piece of cake. Make ammo and money more scarce. Rewarding exploration is nice, but it isn't worthy of being over-rewarded in a game like fallout. People will explore naturally.
 

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I did try Fallout 2...but personally, I like Fallout 3 a lot more. Not because of the graphics, but it has better mod support (for PC version)...I like real time combat a lot more than turn based combat. And it seems more "open"...seeing how in Fallout 2 the game ends after a certain amount of time. In Fallout 3 I don't even really need to do the main story line, if I don't want to.
 

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Stevepinto3 said:
I think Bethesda could take some hints from this for New Vegas. The great thing about an RPG is choosing a role, a unique playstyle. If I can max out everything then that defeats my characters uniqueness. Also, up the challenge some more! By the time you get an assault rifle the game is a piece of cake. Make ammo and money more scarce. Rewarding exploration is nice, but it isn't worthy of being over-rewarded in a game like fallout. People will explore naturally.
They arn't making New Vegas. Obsidian entertainment are.
 

Valiance

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I wish I had time to write a well-thought out response.

Instead I'm just going to say that Fallout 2 is by far the best game in the series, if only because you have the option to have sex, to have unprotected sex, to have unprotected sex with Mr. Bishop's daughter, and to have this action affect the game's ending.

Vendayn said:
I did try Fallout 2...but personally, I like Fallout 3 a lot more. Not because of the graphics, but it has better mod support (for PC version)...I like real time combat a lot more than turn based combat. And it seems more "open"...seeing how in Fallout 2 the game ends after a certain amount of time. In Fallout 3 I don't even really need to do the main story line, if I don't want to.
Uh, the game doesn't end. It pretends to have a time limit and then something else happens and it doesn't.


tucci said:
Quite a mouthful, but solid points. You also forgot to mention how easily you could break Fallout by using the Gamble skill. Hehehe put your luck to at least 7, raise the gambling skill to at least 75, and tape down the button, come back in an hour, have 9999999 bottlecaps.

I also didn't like the fact that everything was simplified in Fallout 3, in older Fallouts things seemed to have real world value, meaning shit was expensive. Anyway, Fallout 2 for Life
Yes, you could also just quicksave/steal and it would do the same damn thing.

Also I have done what you did, my money count flew off the screen.
 

Vendayn

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ah, thought it did end. Because I asked on one of the Fallout 2 forums and they told me that after a while the time limit runs out and the game ends. Maybe not though.
 

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Will always hold the original Fallout highest simply because it felt more compelling than the sequel and of it's genuine simplicty and it´s story. Sure, Fallout 2 had more things to do but for me it ruined the excellent story. Though I maybe change my mind (not likely) next time I play it - without story rushing.

I don't count the third installment as a "true" Fallout game though as a game it was better then Fallout 2.
 

Foolishman1776

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Fat Man Spoon said:
They arn't making New Vegas. Obsidian entertainment are.
Which means there's at least a good chance Chris Avellone is going to be working on it, which is awesome. Though it also means there's a good chance that it won't be complete on release. Any company made up of primarily former Interplay employees puts out awesome games that aren't complete or well supported. Troika did the same thing with all three games they made. Obsidian has thus far kept up the trend with KOTOR 2, and NWN2, though in the case of the latter they actually bothered to support it and several patches and two expansions later it's a pretty solid game.

Back on topic. Nostalgia isn't really what's going on here. I still play Fallout 2 sometimes, it's still fun after all these years. I mean, I suppose you could say that some of the gameplay elements are anachronistic, and the graphics are kind of unimpressive; but I still feel it was an excellent game with solid storytelling.
 

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NoMoreSanity said:
I've noticed I don't care for the other two Fallout games, as they're style doesn't interest me, yet Fallout 3 is my favorite. Yet people who loved the first two hated/disliked 3. Weird, 3 was to draw in new people to the series, not cater to old fans I geuss.
I think it's the nostalgia filter. I look back on the first 2 games and I love them because they were new, different, quirky, and fun. I haven't played them in a while, so their faults have all diminished. When I played Fallout 3, I expected something as shiny and spectacular as the first games. Instead, it wasn't as fun as I remember the original games being and all I could see were its faults. So I hated the third game and love the memory of the first 2. I probably could play them and enjoy them now, but that's because of my fondness for them. Newer gen players probably would be frustrated by the graphics and gameplay, and they don't have the memories to help them forgive the flaws.
 

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Foolishman1776 said:
Fat Man Spoon said:
They arn't making New Vegas. Obsidian entertainment are.
Which means there's at least a good chance Chris Avellone is going to be working on it, which is awesome. Though it also means there's a good chance that it won't be complete on release. Any company made up of primarily former Interplay employees puts out awesome games that aren't complete or well supported. Troika did the same thing with all three games they made. Obsidian has thus far kept up the trend with KOTOR 2, and NWN2, though in the case of the latter they actually bothered to support it and several patches and two expansions later it's a pretty solid game.
It is still being published by Bethesda, so there is a chance they'll help on it. Also, it will use the FO3 engine, so that cuts the development time right down.

FO4 will use ID software's engine.
 

Foolishman1776

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Fat Man Spoon said:
FO4 will use ID software's engine.
Hmm, interesting. So most of the elements are already there, it's just a matter of putting them together. I just hope they improve the character system.
 

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Fallout 2 had the best atmosphere but 3 had the best gameplay so far.
 

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Foolishman1776 said:
Fat Man Spoon said:
FO4 will use ID software's engine.
Hmm, interesting. So most of the elements are already there, it's just a matter of putting them together. I just hope they improve the character system.
Read up on Vegas:

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Fallout:_New_Vegas
 

Librarian Mike

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I still haven't played Fallout 3, but I loved the first 2. I found Fallout 1 and 2 to be really similar, but I'd give the edge to part 2 because of the lack of a timer.