Poll: Gay Marriage

[Stabby Joe]

If the right wingers want gay people to stop having sex, let them get married.

 

[barryween]

If the right wingers want gay people to stop having sex, let them get married.

Haha, that's awesome.
Also, I don't get WHY gays SHOULDN'T marry, it's not like they're going to infect us with "THE GAY" if they get married.

 

[Xanadu84]

Marriage has a religious connotation, which government needs to get the hell away from. Government should offer Civil Union, and all the rights and responsibilities that come with it, to everyone regardless of orientation. Then, the church should decide what they want to do with the term, "Marriage".

And if your church is backwards enough to not marry you, come on up to Vermont, my church (Well, technically my church) will be glad to marry you. And we don't take to kindly to other people telling us that we aren't allowed to practice religion in the way we want to. Because were Americans dammit, and we have the freedom of religion that lets us marry gay people if we damn well please, thank you kindly.

 

[Xanadu84]

Only on paper, but no church, since the church has been against homosexuality for 2000 years so that would be blasphemy

But you used to go to Hell for eating meat on a friday so why can't they change their opinion on gay marriage?

what you eat meat on friday??!! (just joking)

Well they have preached against it much harder than eating on friday, and they cant just go around changing holy law, its not up to them to change things anyway, some things are better left the way they are.

That is a silly view, the church will continue to lessen in importance if it doesn't change and adapt to the modern world. The core principles of Christianity are peace and love, denying a group of people the right to show and consummate their love in the eyes of god because people 2000 years ago didn't like it is just too daft for words.

That your subjective opinion not what everyone else thinks, the primary point of the church being that marriage is the union of a man and woman under god, and they are expected to make children and form the natural bond as they should, whilst gay marriage wont produce anything, other than adopted children that will 100% be gay as well, and the church shouldnt adopt to everything modern, in that way under the cross there would be a coca cola sign

There is absolutely no proof that children adopted by a gay family will be gay themselves, that is such an ignorant and small minded view.

oh please at least 90% turn out gay, its a fact, you grow up in the belief that its how its supposed to be and that you should be like your parents, its how a child's brain evolves by learning from its parents, maybe not in tv shows but thats the reality,perhaps you are the closed minded one. Heres a tip, visit other countries and see their view on religion and homosexuality, not every nation is USA or Scandinavia, im speaking for all people and all churches not just one place.

Its not a fact, its an outright fabrication, and I challenge you to bring forth a single legitimate study that says anything even remotely to the contrary.

My church accepts gay marriage. You telling me what I'm allowed to believe?

 

[Xanadu84]

Nothing wrong with it. For the first time ever, I shall add my own /thread. And it shall be fitting.

/thread.

you can't /thread your own post. That's like telling a girl that your pickup line is so witty that she's legally obligated to go home and sleep with you.

That would be, quite possibly, the single best pickup line of all time.

 

[crypt-creature]

Only thing I feel like saying to be honest is "The Fall of Rome."

I'm tired of this, Rome didn't fall because of homosexuality. If anything Rome's fall actually had more to do with its adopting Christianity*. A pacifist religion is hardly the best choice for a militarist state... though today we seem to have worked through that by ignoring the pacifist part.

*According to The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon

Oh, you're tired of it? I'm sorry. I didn't realize. Did I credit it the entire Fall of Rome to gays? No. No, I did not. Besides, Christianity is hardly pacifist. Just because we focus on the whole Jesus part, doesn't mean there aren't chapters of war in our book.

Sum of its parts. Thats what lead to the downfall, being gay was one of them.

I doubt that homosexuality had ANYTHING to do with the fall of rome. Probably some of the people who had a part in the fall were gay. But that's not because they were gay, that was just a coincidence. There were a lot more heterosexuals that contributed I'm sure.

Hey, I didn't write history. Coincidence or not, its food for the thought.

I also don't understand why they need to be "married". Why isn't the civil union enough? I guess they really are looking for the tax breaks that "marriage" gives.

It's just another way for people to discriminate, there are a lot of people who don't get 'married' for religious reasons and they still carry the title.
'Married' has come to mean something different, having another title for homosexuals is a way to discriminate and could make it an easy way to target them. I don't know too many straight couples who have chosen to go with 'Civil Union' as it doesn't hold the same importance as the title 'Marriage'.
Personally, the title 'Civil Union' does seem less than 'Marriage'.

 

[NeutralDrow]

I've actually given speeches on why it should be legal. Those speeches were in high school, granted, but still, my position is clear and adamant.

I live in California.

Irony is a *****. A stupid *****.

Worse, I live in San Francisco and there were quite a few anti-gay rights people protesting.

Ouch. It was bad enough down here in San Diego. I'd imagine up north it was more of a slap in the face...

 

[Xanadu84]

Only on paper, but no church, since the church has been against homosexuality for 2000 years so that would be blasphemy

But you used to go to Hell for eating meat on a friday so why can't they change their opinion on gay marriage?

what you eat meat on friday??!! (just joking)

Well they have preached against it much harder than eating on friday, and they cant just go around changing holy law, its not up to them to change things anyway, some things are better left the way they are.

That is a silly view, the church will continue to lessen in importance if it doesn't change and adapt to the modern world. The core principles of Christianity are peace and love, denying a group of people the right to show and consummate their love in the eyes of god because people 2000 years ago didn't like it is just too daft for words.

That your subjective opinion not what everyone else thinks, the primary point of the church being that marriage is the union of a man and woman under god, and they are expected to make children and form the natural bond as they should, whilst gay marriage wont produce anything, other than adopted children that will 100% be gay as well, and the church shouldnt adopt to everything modern, in that way under the cross there would be a coca cola sign

There is absolutely no proof that children adopted by a gay family will be gay themselves, that is such an ignorant and small minded view.

oh please at least 90% turn out gay, its a fact, you grow up in the belief that its how its supposed to be and that you should be like your parents, its how a child's brain evolves by learning from its parents, maybe not in tv shows but thats the reality,perhaps you are the closed minded one. Heres a tip, visit other countries and see their view on religion and homosexuality, not every nation is USA or Scandinavia, im speaking for all people and all churches not just one place.

Its not a fact, its an outright fabrication, and I challenge you to bring forth a single legitimate study that says anything even remotely to the contrary.

My church accepts gay marriage. You telling me what I'm allowed to believe?

Did i at any point tell you what to believe? - no. i dont really care that your church accepts gay marriage, thats their choice, im orthodox christian and gay marriage is not at all accepted, but feel free to believe what you want.

Alright, so you do think they should allow gay marriage. Glad we have that cleared up.

 

[Bigeyez]

Only on paper, but no church, since the church has been against homosexuality for 2000 years so that would be blasphemy

Another misconception. Like I said in my post earlier which I will now quote. "Catechism, which is the definition of marriage the church has now (man+woman) was adopted by the church until 1566." So now the church has not been against same sex marriage for 2000 years. Not that the church even invented marriage anyways. The reason this and other laws regarded marriage were passed in the 1500's is because the Church was reforming for the second time and was launching an enormous grab for power.

Beforehand gay marriage existed and the church never objected to it.

You know that was the time of the spanish inquisiton, where you would be killed if you said a trivial thing because of alleged heresy, where homosexuals were among others viewed as heretics and burned to death, so there was no gay marriage there. And you keep forgeting there are 3 christian churches and many sects that derived from it (sect being a teological term)

Um first of all you seemed to have completely missed the point of my post. Your stating that the church has been against gay marriage for 2000 years. Thats false because, like I stated the first Church doctrines banning gay marriage were'nt put into place untill the mid 1500's. And yes there were still gay marriages at that time. The Roman Catholic church doesn't own "marriage" and Europe isn't the only place that exists. In plenty of other places in many different religions gay marriage existed during the time period between 1400-1800 which is the 400 years the spanish inquisition takes place in. And all modern Christian sects evolved from Roman Catholiscm so don't see what your talking about there.

There is absolutely no proof that children adopted by a gay family will be gay themselves, that is such an ignorant and small minded view.

oh please at least 90% turn out gay, its a fact, you grow up in the belief that its how its supposed to be and that you should be like your parents, its how a child's brain evolves by learning from its parents, maybe not in tv shows but thats the reality,perhaps you are the closed minded one. Heres a tip, visit other countries and see their view on religion and homosexuality, not every nation is USA or Scandinavia, im speaking for all people and all churches not just one place.

Can you prove this "fact"?

Maybe you should just think this through, if a child is so influenced by it's parents sexuality how do gay people even exist since they must be the child of straight parents.

Ahh but think about it, some people are from straight parents but they turn out gay but thats like 1% so in your way of thinking, only 1% of people from gay parents will turn out straight, so you in a way agree with what i say

Again stop pulling shit out of your ass. You are just spewing nonsense and have nothing to back it up with. Like I said before if you follow your logic 90% of kids with parents who murder grow up to be murderers. Untill you can find actual FACTS to back up yoru ridiculous claims you should just stop posting because your coming across like a raving idiot.

 

[Bigeyez]

Only on paper, but no church, since the church has been against homosexuality for 2000 years so that would be blasphemy

Another misconception. Like I said in my post earlier which I will now quote. "Catechism, which is the definition of marriage the church has now (man+woman) was adopted by the church until 1566." So now the church has not been against same sex marriage for 2000 years. Not that the church even invented marriage anyways. The reason this and other laws regarded marriage were passed in the 1500's is because the Church was reforming for the second time and was launching an enormous grab for power.

Beforehand gay marriage existed and the church never objected to it.

You know that was the time of the spanish inquisiton, where you would be killed if you said a trivial thing because of alleged heresy, where homosexuals were among others viewed as heretics and burned to death, so there was no gay marriage there. And you keep forgeting there are 3 christian churches and many sects that derived from it (sect being a teological term)

Um first of all you seemed to have completely missed the point of my post. Your stating that the church has been against gay marriage for 2000 years. Thats false because, like I stated the first Church doctrines banning gay marriage were'nt put into place untill the mid 1500's. And yes there were still gay marriages at that time. The Roman Catholic church doesn't own "marriage" and Europe isn't the only place that exists. In plenty of other places in many different religions gay marriage existed during the time period between 1400-1800 which is the 200 years the spanish inquisition takes place in. And all modern Christian sects evolved from Roman Catholiscm so don't see what your talking about there.

There is absolutely no proof that children adopted by a gay family will be gay themselves, that is such an ignorant and small minded view.

oh please at least 90% turn out gay, its a fact, you grow up in the belief that its how its supposed to be and that you should be like your parents, its how a child's brain evolves by learning from its parents, maybe not in tv shows but thats the reality,perhaps you are the closed minded one. Heres a tip, visit other countries and see their view on religion and homosexuality, not every nation is USA or Scandinavia, im speaking for all people and all churches not just one place.

Can you prove this "fact"?

Maybe you should just think this through, if a child is so influenced by it's parents sexuality how do gay people even exist since they must be the child of straight parents.

Ahh but think about it, some people are from straight parents but they turn out gay but thats like 1% so in your way of thinking, only 1% of people from gay parents will turn out straight, so you in a way agree with what i say

Again stop pulling shit out of your ass. You are just spewing nonsense and have nothing to back it up with. Like I said before if you follow your logic 90% of kids with parents who murder grow up to be murderers. Untill you can find actual FACTS to back up yoru ridiculous claims you should just stop posting because your coming across like a raving idiot.

Ok, they you do the same and find me some facts to support your claim.

im waiting

Sure here you go.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage

You can also go to your local library and check out the countless number of books on Marriage and it's ties to religion. I invite you to do so because gaining more knowledge on the subject will more likely then not help you understand the subject matter better.

Actual books are a much better source then any Wiki anyways so go ahead and pick up some books yourself and read.

 

[Faps]

There is absolutely no proof that children adopted by a gay family will be gay themselves, that is such an ignorant and small minded view.

oh please at least 90% turn out gay, its a fact, you grow up in the belief that its how its supposed to be and that you should be like your parents, its how a child's brain evolves by learning from its parents, maybe not in tv shows but thats the reality,perhaps you are the closed minded one. Heres a tip, visit other countries and see their view on religion and homosexuality, not every nation is USA or Scandinavia, im speaking for all people and all churches not just one place.

Can you prove this "fact"?

Maybe you should just think this through, if a child is so influenced by it's parents sexuality how do gay people even exist since they must be the child of straight parents.

Ahh but think about it, some people are from straight parents but they turn out gay but thats like 1% so in your way of thinking, only 1% of people from gay parents will turn out straight, so you in a way agree with what i say

I've read this 5 times and it still makes no sense. Why don't you just come out and say that you don't like gay people and don't want them to get married rather than spewing this rubbish.

 

[Yokai]

I'm just sick of hearing all the conservatives blathering about how legalizing gay marriage is a threat to the human race, because for some reason they believe that if it's legal, then everyone will "choose to be gay" and we'll stop having children. That is some ridiculous crap right there. Lord knows they'll stay straight as a signpost if the bill passes, so I'm not quite sure where they perceive a threat.

Anyway, I'm all for legalizing it. People have the right to love who they want, and by extension, marry who they want. It's unfair that straight couples get the legal and social benefits of being married and gay couples are left out in the cold. So, let them get married! It won't sterilize our species as some people seem to think.

But thats off topic, the topic is about subjective opinion on gay marriage, im against it, your for it, enjoy yourself. its not like us western people are not shrinking, theres less euro-americans each year while the rest of world is population booming. In my church, the oldest in the world (orthodox) there wont be such a thing as gay marriage, unlike the more progressed nations

Yes, people like you, Malicious. Relax. Legalizing gay marriage will not speed up population decline, because you're forgetting something: just about everyone who would benefit from legalized gay marriage is already gay. They weren't having kids in the first place, and it's not like people will suddenly start "becoming homosexual" if gay marriage is legalized. Population decline in the Western world is attributed to a complex series of issues, but homosexuality isn't one of them. Go ahead and hate the idea of gay marriage. If that's what you and your church believe, so be it (incidentally, I know an Orthodox priest who's gay). I won't try to change your mind, I just hope you realize that it's not a danger to our survival as a species.