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Panzer_God

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Let's get this out of the way really quickly. THIS IS AN OPINION. It is my opinion, so obviously I think it is right, but I am in possession of no facts and figures.Now then, onto the good part. I am also not speaking for all women, just the ones I know from personal experience. I don't claim to speak for everyone, but this is the combination of opinions of girls I've known my entire life.

As denizens of the Internet, I'm sure we have all seen our fair share of whining about girls. I, spending more than a fair bit of time on the internet, have seen far more whining about girls than I am comfortable with. It is in recent years, however, that I have noticed a disturbing shift in the specific complaints.

When I was but a wee lad, 15, 16 or so, I whined about girls more than I care to admit. I went to the internet to whine with people who agreed with me, and we complained about how we had done something wrong that girls didn't like. We looked at what 'we' could change about ourselves to make girls like us more, and while we never did figure it out, we blamed ourselves for not getting the girls.

Not so much anymore. Now that I'm a fully grown manly man in my twenties I come to the internet, not to complain about girls, but to complain about lots of other things. However, the complaints about girls are impossible to avoid and I found myself reading sob stories much like the ones I had posted. There was a change in the stories though, where instead of trying to figure out what we could do better, young boys were complaining about the girls themselves.

Instead of "What can I do to make her notice me?" it became "Why won't that ***** pay attention to me instead of that asshole boyfriend of hers?". Instead of trying to rise above the problem, people misdirected the problem and chose to blame the girls for falling in love with assholes. That's not fair to anyone. It's not fair to the guys the girls like, since quite a few of them aren't assholes, it's not fair to yourself, since it means you'll never try to improve and it's not fair to the girls themselves because they aren't attracted to assholes.

"But Panzer" you might ask, "then why aren't they dating guys like us?" The answer is simple.

Confidence.

One of the traits of internet guys like us is low self-confidence, while guys who are assholes tend to possess very high levels of confidence. It's unfortunate, but in my experience it's true, and girls notice. Even if it's in subtle things, body positioning, facial expressions, clothing, a man's confidence shines through loud and clear to women, and they're drawn to it. The reason they get the girl is the same reason most internet guys hate them, because they know that they can get the girl and act accordingly. Girls like guys who know what they want and go for it, which unfortunately doesn't describe most of us.

What do you think, am I right, am I wrong, am I a jackass? Let me know what you think.



Side Discussion: "Friendzone" The friend zone isn't a negative, it's just a term used to describe a platonic relationship with a girl you like. Guess what? It's normal and healthy to be friend zoned, as it lets you have friends without trying to sleep with them. The problem is when guys think that they are 'above' the friend zone and it's insulting to put them their. Do yourself and the rest of us a favor, if your train of thought goes along the lines of "Why am I being friend-zoned? I'm so much nicer and more attentive than her boyfriend, I would be better for her!" Then please, stop talking. The reason she friend zoned you, specifically, is because you have an over-inflated ego and are still lacking in the all-important self confidence to actually say something to the girl you care about.

Source: Two older sisters, three younger ones, the mother that raised me and the fact that 95% of friends I've had through my entire life are female.


EDIT: Another phrase that tends to denote the fact that you aren't the virtuous warrior, stuck in the friend zone unfairly, but are in fact an asshole who deludes themselves with self-aggrandizing tales of your date-ability is the phrase "Girls just don't like nice guys like me". This is wrong. I know this entire thing is opinion, but if your opinion is this, your opinion is wrong. In order to be less wrong, I suggest anyone who thinks like that to remove a word, leaving "girls don't like guys like me".
 
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Women are a hivemind again?

Nice.

Now I can get them all to make me a sandwich at the same time by using my fiancee as my communicator.

Joking aside, nobody knows what women want, because women are individuals too.

Cheap answer, I know.

But it's the right one :D
 

Panzer_God

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Daystar Clarion said:
Women are a hivemind again?

Nice.

Now I can get them all to make me a sandwich at the same time by using my fiancee as my communicator.

Joking aside, nobody knows what women want, because women are individuals too.

Cheap answer, I know.

But it's the right one :D
I'd left off one of the most important disclaimers in the opening xD. Thank you for reminding me.
 

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I wholeheartedly agree. But remember everyone is different. Confidence is very important. Also the fear of rejection is something guys need to get over. "you miss 100% of the shots you do not take."

Edit: while everyone is different, here are some things I found most women respond to:
-good personnel hygiene
-positive attitude
-decent listening skills
-being physically fit/healthy
 

Jonluw

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I wouldn't say it's so simple as them being confident. Although it is a large part of it.

Confidence, attractiveness, and the guys regarded as douchebags by nerds generally occupy a decent spot on the social hierarchy.
Plus, studies indicate that women tend to be more attracted to men who display risky and/or antisocial behaviour and have traits associated with high testosterone levels around ovulation, while finding calmer more stable men more attractive in not as fertile periods.

Of course, that doesn't explain female sexuality at all, but it does shine some light on those typical broken heart stories of girls who go out with guys with antisocial traits hoping to be able to change them, and giving them a second chances even after they've been hurt by them.
 

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Before I became an asshole: very little female attention, a few failed relationships here and there.
After: Literally more women that I want/can handle.

The difference is so huge, it's absurd.
 

Panzer_God

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Jonluw said:
I wouldn't say it's so simple as them being confident. Although it is a large part of it.

Confidence, attractiveness, and the guys regarded as douchebags by nerds generally occupy a decent spot on the social hierarchy.

Plus, studies indicate that women tend to be more attracted to men who display risky and/or antisocial behaviour and have traits associated with high testosterone levels around ovulation, while finding calmer more stable men more attractive in not as fertile periods.

Of course, that doesn't explain female sexuality at all, but it does shine some light on those typical broken heart stories of girls who go out with guys with antisocial traits hoping to be able to change them, and giving them a second chances even after they've been hurt by them.
It's not the only part, but I've seen some truly ugly guys get the girl because they had the balls to ask anyway. Besides, the risky and anti-social behaviors are a side effect of confidence. I was a spineless piece of shit until a few years ago, when I decided I was just going to get what I want and other people can choke on my dust. I then became anti-social, I became an asshole I started risking everything because I had nothing else. Then people started talking to me. People I'd never met before, who'd ignored me when I was quiet and safe. I didn't know why for the longest time until I realized that I'd started being more confident. When you're confident, the risks seem less risky, and anti-social behavior isn't a bad thing, it's "oh, these guys just can't keep up with me."
 

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Some girls like assholes. Some girls are assholes. That's the nature of humanity.

People's dating woes are another issue entirely.
 

EeveeElectro

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I can't speak for all women.
I don't like arseholes. I don't get the "treat 'em mean, keep 'em keen."
If you treat me mean, you can kiss my ass. The second a guy treats me like shit he can get out my life. I don't need people like that bringing me down and I certainly deserve to be treat better.

Some girls have incredibly low self esteem which is why they stay/get with with dickheads, or some girls just want a bad boy.

Although you should understand. Just because you call that guy a dickhead doesn't mean he is. If you don't know them and are just slagging them off because they're with the girl you want then I don't think it's them who's the prick.
 

Jonluw

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Panzer_God said:
I think the real problem is that your average socially awkward guy is prone to interpreting confidence as douche... ness?
 

Panzer_God

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Jonluw said:
Panzer_God said:
I think the real problem is that your average socially awkward guy is prone to interpreting confidence as douche... ness?
That is exactly the problem. I don't mind that, at all. Except when said socially awkward guys fill my interblags with whining about the douchebag that stole 'his' girl.


EeveeElectro said:
I can't speak for all women.
I don't like arseholes. I don't get the "treat 'em mean, keep 'em keen."
If you treat me mean, you can kiss my ass. The second a guy treats me like shit he can get out my life. I don't need people like that bringing me down and I certainly deserve to be treat better.
Which is, ideally, how it would always go down. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating being an asshole to women. I'm just asking that we take a closer look before deciding that anyone with a spine is an asshole.

For reference's sake, I am an asshole.
 

Aerosteam

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Maybe generalizing a little too much?

There's a lot of girls out there. Outside China, half the entire population is female. At least one of them must like assholes, right?
 

Panzer_God

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Aerosteam 1908 said:
Maybe generalizing a little too much?

There's a lot of girls out there. Outside China, half the entire population is female. At least one of them must like assholes, right?
I am generalizing too much. I announced in the OP that I was generalizing and basing my opinion around the women I know. Anything else you'd like to add?
 

EeveeElectro

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Panzer_God said:
I used to be the same when I was younger, I'd say all sorts of horrible stuff about women who were dating men I wanted. Took my friend having a go at me to sort me out.

"She's an ugly slag!"
"Do you know her?"
"No but..."
"Then shut the fuck up! You haven't even said a single word to her and you're judging her!"

And it's not like we want a man to be dripping in confidence. We just don't want the sort of guy that sits quietly in the corner with his head down low and not speaking with a right face on.
 

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I think there's a small minority of girls who are consistently drawn to assholes, but most girls like undouchebags (most of the time). But there always seems to be a few guys who are exceptions to this rule - I can think of two guys from my town who are universally loved by the girls, but hated by the guys.
 

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A great man once said,

"Men are stupid, and women are crazy.

The main cause for women being crazy, is that men are stupid."

(George Carlin, and I paraphrased)

Anyway... I think most people find confidence more attractive than meekness.
 

Panzer_God

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EeveeElectro said:
Panzer_God said:
I used to be the same when I was younger, I'd say all sorts of horrible stuff about women who were dating men I wanted. Took my friend having a go at me to sort me out.

"She's an ugly slag!"
"Do you know her?"
"No but..."
"Then shut the fuck up! You haven't even said a single word to her and you're judging her!"

And it's not like we want a man to be dripping in confidence. We just don't want the sort of guy that sits quietly in the corner with his head down low and not speaking with a right face on.
You're kind of awesome. Question.

EeveeElectro said:
And it's not like we want a man to be dripping in confidence. We just don't want the sort of guy that sits quietly in the corner with his head down low and not speaking with a right face on.
How would you feel if you found out the guy sitting in the corner with his head down was spending his nights complaining on the internet about the boy he thought you liked?
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Women are a hivemind again?
Apparently.

It will never cease to amaze me what elaborate systems people will think of to explain why other people aren't currently having sex with them.