Poll: Hacking in Online Multiplayer Games

[daemon37]

I was just wondering how many escapists have cheated the system while playing internet multiplayer games.

In case you don't know exactly what I'm talking about, here's one of my old Metal Gear Online videos. I've noted the parts of the video that demonstrate glitching. This match was particularly upsetting in that it was the final round of a competition. At the end of the video you can see my consolation prize for getting second place (first prize was a beret). You can bet that I was pretty freakin' upset after this round.

You can find more of my MGO vidoes, including ones that show glitching here: http://www.youtube.com/user/daemon37

 

[x0ny]

I suck at MGO, I can't play shooters to a competitive level with controllers. Anyway, glitching/hacking/cheating ruins the game, that's why I stick to dedicated servers and favourite the ones which I know have admins on.

 

[daemon37]

I suck at MGO, I can't play shooters to a competitive level with controllers. Anyway, glitching/hacking/cheating ruins the game, that's why I stick to dedicated servers and favourite the ones which I know have admins on.

Yeah, MGO has some pretty weird controls but once you get used to them it can be a lot of fun. I generally didn't see much cheating when playing MGO. But when it came to the weekly tournaments (hosted by Konami), it seemed like every other match had a team with at least one or two glitchers.

 

[Hiphophippo]

I used to hack our local LAN shop's CS servers all the time. Just for fun though when we were all playing around. Lot's of us did, it was no biggie. I never did it when we were being serious.

But there really isn't a poll option for that is there?

 

[daemon37]

Glitches and Exploits aren't the same as Cheats or Hacks in any way or form so this Poll fails by definition xD

The first two are "game features" that people use in an unintended or creative way, which gives them an edge over others... everyone playing the game can use them. Cheats/Hacks are mostly done through third party tools (Aimbot, Maphack, Wallhack, Speedhack etc.) and deliberately inject into a games memory imprints changing how the game is supposed to work and giving someone an impossible edge over the others.

That's the exact same rationale that a lot of these glitchers would try to give me. Here's the problem your logic, doing these things makes other players angry and ruins the fun for them unless they play by your rules. And your rules are not explained in any instruction manual, strategy guide or tutorial.

This poll is screwed up.

The only form of cheating is modifying program code to do things not intended by the creators of the game. This does not include mods, because modding a game does not effect the online portion of the default game.

Hell, some games you can accidentally glitch in, like in Diablo 1 there were countless times when I turned invulnerable due to a glitch times when I wasn't even trying to!

No program is perfect, which is why patches exist. Quite often in online games, players will find ways to do things that the programmers did not intend for them to be able to do (aka glitching). Taking advantage of these programming errors is cheating. Sometimes this happens on accident, but far too often it clearly is intentional.

 

[dududf]

I cheated once in CoD 2, nothing hard core, just Chams, and they didn't even work properly.

And it was a once time use, mostly for the laughs.

 

[Flying-Emu]

No, because I'm not an ass.

 

[Kuchinawa212]

Never
but on stickarena (flash game) If they didn't have god mode on, I could always kill them

felt like sharing that

 

[Blatherscythe]

No. Hacking in an online game just proves how much you suck if you need to cheat to win. I hate anyone who does this, it unbalances the game to everyone else.

 

[The Heik]

I was just wondering how many escapists have cheated the system while playing internet multiplayer games.

In case you don't know exactly what I'm talking about, here's one of my old Metal Gear Online videos. I've noted the parts of the video that demonstrate glitching. This match was particularly upsetting in that it was the final round of a competition. At the end of the video you can see my consolation prize for getting second place (first prize was a beret). You can bet that I was pretty freakin' upset after this round.

You can find more of my MGO vidoes, including ones that show glitching here: http://www.youtube.com/user/daemon37

I found that glitch/hacking/cheaping to be the work of assholes. They think it's OK to stomp over other people just to make themselves feel good/get a high score, but it just proves that they don't deserve to play online, and ruins it for everyone else. Multiplayer was designed to let people test their skills and knowledge of the game against other players. By hacking/glitching those individuals no longer are playing multiplayer, and are breaking both the physical rules and sense of fair play in the MP.

If this was done in any physical sport, such as holding the ball in your hand or hitting/insulting other players, the person in question would be thrown out of the match. If this kind of thing were to persist, then the individual would be banned. I think that this same idea should be applied to game like this:

Should a player be found to be an exceptionally bad (as in assholeish) player or repeated hacker, then the next time they go online with that game the connection activates a code within the game disc itself which removes the MP as a playable option. This can only be repaired by sending the disc in and getting it re-set for a third of the price of buying the game. If the disc is locked three times, then it remains locked permanently, so the douche has to either buy another disc at full price (which at today's prices would cost over $100, plus the 2 unlocks) or stop playing MP, thereby solving the problem.

 

[Jinx_Dragon]

I can't understand why you would want to play a game and then let the computer do all the work. All I can assume is the 'dick' factor, that is idiots out there that get off by ruining the fun of other people.

 

[CharlesA]

Never did it, except the duplication glitch in the original Diablo, and I was just a dumb kid then.

 

[daemon37]

The only "rules" a game is played by is defined by the way it can be played. I couldn't care less if "other players get angry" or "it ruins their fun", they can do it as much as everyone else.

The problem with your logic is that there's always someone unable or just uninterested in doing something well... Rocketjumps? Strafing? Camping? Performing tricks or wall-gliding, sniping from a certain spot or using nades effectively etc.? Nah, can't do it, too hard/don't like it so it's "glitching"... because I can't noone should be able to.

As long as something is possible in a game its fair game, if something is deemed damaging or obstructing/spoiling gameplay there's something called "Patches" and its the developers job to fix it not some player(s) that think they're the moral police.

You're assuming three things:
1) Developers care about fixing the problems.
2) Developers have the money to do so.
3) That fixing a glitch won't result in a whole bunch of new glitches.

No program is perfect, and no matter how many times you patch it, it never will be. But I'm pretty sure you already know that. So I don't understand why you would argue such a point.

 

[daemon37]

I used to hack our local LAN shop's CS servers all the time. Just for fun though when we were all playing around. Lot's of us did, it was no biggie. I never did it when we were being serious.

But there really isn't a poll option for that is there?

Sorry, I thought it was clear I wasn't talking about private matches between friends. I only meant public games, especially public competitions.

I found that glitch/hacking/cheaping to be the work of assholes. They think it's OK to stomp over other people just to make themselves feel good/get a high score, but it just proves that they don't deserve to play online, and ruins it for everyone else. Multiplayer was designed to let people test their skills and knowledge of the game against other players. By hacking/glitching those individuals no longer are playing multiplayer, and are breaking both the physical rules and sense of fair play in the MP.

If this was done in any physical sport, such as holding the ball in your hand or hitting/insulting other players, the person in question would be thrown out of the match. If this kind of thing were to persist, then the individual would be banned. I think that this same idea should be applied to game like this:

Should a player be found to be an exceptionally bad (as in assholeish) player or repeated hacker, then the next time they go online with that game the connection activates a code within the game disc itself which removes the MP as a playable option. This can only be repaired by sending the disc in and getting it re-set for a third of the price of buying the game. If the disc is locked three times, then it remains locked permanently, so the douche has to either buy another disc at full price (which at today's prices would cost over $100, plus the 2 unlocks) or stop playing MP, thereby solving the problem.

I agree 100% with the first paragraph. I think the second paragraph is hilarious and true. But I don't think your solution in the third paragraph would work for many reasons, though I do agree that a solution is needed.

Never did it, except the duplication glitch in the original Diablo, and I was just a dumb kid then.

That is indeed a glitch, but I don't have a problem with it because you probably didn't use the glitch to win an online multiplayer game.

 

[The Heik]

I found that glitch/hacking/cheaping to be the work of assholes. They think it's OK to stomp over other people just to make themselves feel good/get a high score, but it just proves that they don't deserve to play online, and ruins it for everyone else. Multiplayer was designed to let people test their skills and knowledge of the game against other players. By hacking/glitching those individuals no longer are playing multiplayer, and are breaking both the physical rules and sense of fair play in the MP.

If this was done in any physical sport, such as holding the ball in your hand or hitting/insulting other players, the person in question would be thrown out of the match. If this kind of thing were to persist, then the individual would be banned. I think that this same idea should be applied to game like this:

Should a player be found to be an exceptionally bad (as in assholeish) player or repeated hacker, then the next time they go online with that game the connection activates a code within the game disc itself which removes the MP as a playable option. This can only be repaired by sending the disc in and getting it re-set for a third of the price of buying the game. If the disc is locked three times, then it remains locked permanently, so the douche has to either buy another disc at full price (which at today's prices would cost over $100, plus the 2 unlocks) or stop playing MP, thereby solving the problem.

I agree 100% with the first paragraph. I think the second paragraph is hilarious and true. But I don't think your solution in the third paragraph would work for many reasons, though I do agree that a solution is needed.

Why do you think that the system would not work? Might as well discuss the advantages and drawbacks if we're to find a proper solution

 

[daemon37]

EDITED QUOTES FOR CONCISENESS

Should a player be found to be an exceptionally bad (as in assholeish) player or repeated hacker, then the next time they go online with that game the connection activates a code within the game disc itself which removes the MP as a playable option. This can only be repaired by sending the disc in and getting it re-set for a third of the price of buying the game. If the disc is locked three times, then it remains locked permanently, so the douche has to either buy another disc at full price (which at today's prices would cost over $100, plus the 2 unlocks) or stop playing MP, thereby solving the problem.

I don't think your solution would work for many reasons, though I do agree that a solution is needed.

Why do you think that the system would not work? Might as well discuss the advantages and drawbacks if we're to find a proper solution

Well for starters, you'd need the DVD/blu-ray player that can write, not a read-only one (as is what I believe all consoles currently have).

Also, who determines what is "bad"? As you can see in this thread, not everyone thinks glitching, cheating, and/or hacking are bad things to do.

Lastly, who enforces these rules? Hopefully not the players, because then you'll get people calling each other hackers, simply because they were playing the game very well (as Marion describes in the newest issue of Reliable Source: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/reliable-source/7227-Reliable-Source-I-Once-Punched-a-13-Year-Old-in-the-Face )

 

[Calgetorix]

The only "rules" a game is played by is defined by the way it can be played. I couldn't care less if "other players get angry" or "it ruins their fun", they can do it as much as everyone else.

The problem with your logic is that there's always someone unable or just uninterested in doing something well... Rocketjumps? Strafing? Camping? Performing tricks or wall-gliding, sniping from a certain spot or using nades effectively etc.? Nah, can't do it, too hard/don't like it so it's "glitching"... because I can't noone should be able to.

As long as something is possible in a game its fair game, if something is deemed damaging or obstructing/spoiling gameplay there's something called "Patches" and its the developers job to fix it not some player(s) that think they're the moral police.

Let me come with an example:

In Killing Floor it's about to survive all the waves with the rest of your teammates. In a map you could use a glitch to get on top of a gate where all the monsters couldn't hit you, basically guaranteeing a win with no effort.

Sure, I could use it too but I don't think it's fun because it removes any challenge in the game. Sure it got patched as well (I think). Do you honestly think it was fine people used that glitch though?

I don't think it's being a moral police, just using some common sense. If it's obviously not intended, I don't see why it's okay to use it just because it's in the game. Also, saying you don't care about the other people having fun is just being an asshole. I don't mean to call you an asshole but ruining the fun of 9 others just so a single person can have fun makes me mad.