Poll: I bet hardly anyone is even affected by the Spore DRM
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You don't have to own Spore to be affected by the DRM issue. As long as companies believe they can get away with shit like this, they'll keep trying to pull the wool over our eyes time and time again.
EA will no doubt make their DRM more restrictive, thus causing more people to say "Fuck this, I'll pirate it." This means that if you're a customer, you're going to suffer. We have to make a stand now, or these bastards will ride roughshod over everyone they can.
EA will no doubt make their DRM more restrictive, thus causing more people to say "Fuck this, I'll pirate it." This means that if you're a customer, you're going to suffer. We have to make a stand now, or these bastards will ride roughshod over everyone they can.
Its not the DRM thats the issue for me, its the fact that it refuses to run on my computer. It loves to crash 30minutes or so into a game and if I try to counter that by saving every 10minutes or so, it thinks its cool and says that My save failed to save and proceeds to crash. GG EA...GG...
The reason people are up in arms about the Spore DRM has little to do with the actual inconvenience of it. Some people have already tried to call up support after running out of installs, and they have found it to be a relatively pain free process. The simple fact is that you are no longer 'owning' the product, and you have to plead with EA to extent your rental of the game.
What happens if EA ever goes under or for some reason they deny you another install? You are then stuck with a product that you paid for and can no longer use. This is why people are upset.
What happens if EA ever goes under or for some reason they deny you another install? You are then stuck with a product that you paid for and can no longer use. This is why people are upset.
It hasn't been a problem with me with Spore particularly. But if they were to apply to all games...
Hell if they did this with Sims 2 a couple of years ago, I'd have been screwed. I was always reinstalling that thing/installing it on my dad's computer (I know that second point is actually not allowed, but I was the only one who ever played it so whatever)
Hell if they did this with Sims 2 a couple of years ago, I'd have been screwed. I was always reinstalling that thing/installing it on my dad's computer (I know that second point is actually not allowed, but I was the only one who ever played it so whatever)
It's the principle of the matter, that should be an option on the poll. The fact that its there is not right.
DRM or Digital rights management refers to some means of access control that a company or publisher holds on their products. In the case of Spore, you are given a set number of times that you can install it. If you use those up then you need to contact the company to request additional.Stubee post=9.71918.741656 said:
Well, there is such a thing as a precedent. Some of us don't like bad ones being set. Besides politics, it's just not practical. I have games that I've installed a dozen times for various reasons. I don't see how anyone who is more than a passive gamer could get around it. Of course, that is Spore's intended audience.
Was there not already a thread for this? This topic needs it's own forum...
Was there not already a thread for this? This topic needs it's own forum...
Can people please stop confusing installation with activation.
Spore can be activated three times, reguardless of reinstall. Unfortunatly people have reported that changing their graphics cards and even a single stick of extra ram has made SecuROM use an activation.
I actually feel sorry for Will Wright. Reguardless of how good the game is, it is the one game he wanted to create in life, his dream game if you will.
The best analogy of the situation is that of when a Cheff has finally finished a dish that he has worked his entire career in preperation and design of, only to have the Waiter take a huge shit on it before giving the plate to the diners.
Spore can be activated three times, reguardless of reinstall. Unfortunatly people have reported that changing their graphics cards and even a single stick of extra ram has made SecuROM use an activation.
I actually feel sorry for Will Wright. Reguardless of how good the game is, it is the one game he wanted to create in life, his dream game if you will.
The best analogy of the situation is that of when a Cheff has finally finished a dish that he has worked his entire career in preperation and design of, only to have the Waiter take a huge shit on it before giving the plate to the diners.
I want to see EA's numbers for how much money they believe they lose to pirating. I fully admit I've pirated games before but whenever I like a game I pirated I then go out and buy it and when it sucks/is filled with bugs/or simply won't run on my setup I don't buy it. I'm sorry if game companies are annoyed that I didn't shell out $50 to find out their game doesn't work but it's their problem for putting out recommended and minimum hardware requirements that rarely fit the game and continuing to put out games of sketchy quality...
On top of that rant I want to know what percentage of gamers actually know how to pirate a game effectively. There may be a lot of information being torrented these days but I still know almost no one who is fluent in it. Hell, I know PC gamers who don't even know what BIOS is much less how to steal games...
On top of that rant I want to know what percentage of gamers actually know how to pirate a game effectively. There may be a lot of information being torrented these days but I still know almost no one who is fluent in it. Hell, I know PC gamers who don't even know what BIOS is much less how to steal games...
Honestly, I think more companies should try Stardock's method: Simply don't include any sort of DRM. As has already been established, it works about as effectively as using a sharpened stick and harsh language to fight a tank, so why even have it? It just punishes the legitimate customers.
On the other hand, Stardock's policy is "Our customers are our fans, so treat them as such." They don't play Big Brother, monitoring everyone and ready to initiate a witch hunt like EA and SecuROM. This is what Stardock does: They simply don't include any sort of DRM, and kindly ask torrent sites to not put pirated copies of their games up. You just have to complete an online activation with a valid serial number to download patches and updates. You can play their games WITHOUT doing this, and you don't even need to have the CD in your PC to play their games. You just need to do the activation if you want patches and other free updates (They support their games with tons of free extra content for download).
You know what the damnedest thing is? It works. Stardock's games have among the lowest rates of piracy in the entire industry. It is true that their games aren't exactly multi-million copy sellers, but they are still successful (Sins of a Solar Empire sold 500,000 copies worldwide so far since it came out earlier this year) and aren't pirated nearly as often as big budget, high profile titles with copy protection all over them.
This just further reinforces the idea that a good chunk of people turn to piracy BECAUSE of the draconian DRMs that make paying customers jump through hoops for having the sheer audacity to support the company by buying their game.
On the other hand, Stardock's policy is "Our customers are our fans, so treat them as such." They don't play Big Brother, monitoring everyone and ready to initiate a witch hunt like EA and SecuROM. This is what Stardock does: They simply don't include any sort of DRM, and kindly ask torrent sites to not put pirated copies of their games up. You just have to complete an online activation with a valid serial number to download patches and updates. You can play their games WITHOUT doing this, and you don't even need to have the CD in your PC to play their games. You just need to do the activation if you want patches and other free updates (They support their games with tons of free extra content for download).
You know what the damnedest thing is? It works. Stardock's games have among the lowest rates of piracy in the entire industry. It is true that their games aren't exactly multi-million copy sellers, but they are still successful (Sins of a Solar Empire sold 500,000 copies worldwide so far since it came out earlier this year) and aren't pirated nearly as often as big budget, high profile titles with copy protection all over them.
This just further reinforces the idea that a good chunk of people turn to piracy BECAUSE of the draconian DRMs that make paying customers jump through hoops for having the sheer audacity to support the company by buying their game.
Aliens.Raven28256 said:
And I agree, DRM doesn't keep piraters from getting their hands on games. It's idiotic to believe that one company could create DRM software that will be able to keep thousands of people who are just as, if not more, competent at programming from stealing it's game. I honestly wouldn't be surprised of people within EA created some of the DRM cracks or released information which allowed it to be created...
The industry doesn't seem to understand that the more you try to tell the group they are marketing to "no you cannot steal this, we are preventing you from stealing this" the more they are going to have stolen. The market really is full of brilliant children.