Poll: Legal "Fake Weed" Banned!?

[Skinny_Ninja]

Alright, I felt out of all the forums I go to this would be the place to put it. I don't post much but I've read a lot of topics and a lot of you think more on a more "Mature" level than most.


Anyways, there was this supposed legal weed selling at the gas station near my work. Some of you might have heard of it referred as "Fake Weed", "Spice", or "K2". Well since I live in a southern bible belt state of the U.S. it gets banned in no time along with "Salvia".

I just wanted to know opinions on what you guys think of this stuff. Should these legal alternatives be banned?

I myself think not. I tried the fake weed a couple of times and it was a hell of a lot better than drinking my ass off. No hangovers whatsoever. I smoked it once a week on my days off. I I have a job that requires a lot of manual labor. I think someone like me should be able to smoke some fake weed and watch Angry Beavers on Netflix freely on my days off.

It's also a good legal alternative to pot, it may not be healthy for you but you're smoking so what do you expect?. It would have cut down a lot on the drug deals involving actual weed. People are worried about having their kids smoke the fake stuff. So they ban it and just move on to real weed.

I just think it's so stupid that people are more worried about this fake stuff than they are of the real problem. Crack, Cocaine, Meth, Heroin, the works really. The stuff that actually kills people and gets people killed.

How many times have you heard of a stoner killing someone over a cheeseburger? I hear on the news how a drunk teen driver died in a car wreck and killed others at times by driving drunk. Why not go all the way and ban beer too?

Blah blah blah...

What do you guys think of the whole issue?

EDIT: Why won't it let me edit the poll questions? I accidentally hit enter instead of shift. I keep trying to go back and change it but nothing's changing.

 

[BonsaiK]

But if they're banned, they're not legal...

Oh and why would you want to edit your poll questions? Your poll is one of the only decent ones I've seen in my entire history of membership on this forum. Please don't edit it and screw it up by adding a 4th "I like Pandas!!!1one" option like everyone else does, for god's sake.

 

[TheComedown]

I just wanted to know opinions on what you guys think of this stuff. Should these legal alternatives be banned?

Firstly they are not legal if they are banned, also there is only one poll option?

Just because they are opposed to weed doesn't make them any less opposed to any of the other drugs, the fact is that this is the drug that is right in their faces now its the one getting the attention, so any anti drug person will jump on the drug in conversation.

As for the drunk driving thing, do you think the number of deaths caused by drunk driving would drop if drinking laws would become a lot stricter? of course. Drug driving (or what ever they call it) isn't heard about as much as the drunk driving, cause they [drugs] are illegal, therefore are used less, and then even less drive while stoned, if it were legal like alcohol I'm sure you would hear just as many reports of stoned teenagers dieing cause their driver was stoned as do the drunk driving stories.

 

[Swarley]

Doesn't matter to me, I smoke the real stuff.

edit:

Why would Salvia be banned?

Salvia is a drug that IIRC gets you high for about an hour, and then there are absolutely no side effects after. It's also not addicting IIRC, and is used to rehabilitate drug addicts in some cases.

Other than that last part it sounds almost exactly like weed, but legal. Well, not legal anymore I suppose.

 

[LightOfDarkness]

Why would Salvia be banned?

Salvia is a drug that IIRC gets you high for about an hour, and then there are absolutely no side effects after. It's also not addicting IIRC, and is used to rehabilitate drug addicts in some cases.

 

[Tales of Golden Sun]

Go to the Netherlands and be free of your weed-related worries.
Don't really care about fake weed since the real stuff is legal where I am.

 

[searron]

The reasons salvia is banned is because when you smoke it you trip your balls off for about 15 minutes then feel high for an hour or so. In the prohibitionistic culture of America, altered states ='s bad. They tried banning booze at one point, but it was too culturally ingrained by that point.

 

[Z of the Na'vi]

I don't really care. I've never smoked or drank in my life, and never will.

 

[Willwillwritehiswill]

That fake weed, Spice, was found to have synthesises THC in it. So the government had every right to ban it.

 

[Acidwell]

Proper studies do need to be done into the side effects of the alternatives.
Just because you didn't have a problem with it doesn't mean someone else won't and without testing it can lead to a lot of problems. That said they won't ever test it and the ban is pretty stupid.

 

[Jumplion]

I think they're banning them a bit presumptuously. They haven't done any serious study on them, only banned them because they "think" they're dangerous. If they come up with a definite reason why they should be banned, then ban away, but banning them based on an assumption is something I find very stupid. Sure, they might unban them later with proper research, so they say, but realistically, I doubt that research will be done.

Not that it really bothers me. I never liked them much, the high is far too artificial, and caused a hell of a lot of paranoia, which normal stuff has never done before. The only one I'll miss is Salvia, which is great for meditation. Still, there's always mescalin!

Exactly this really, we barely know anything about the aftereffects of Salvia and it could be put to use (medical and rehabilitation and whatnot).

The thing I don't like about outright banning things, though, is that people think that somehow it will be gone forever and nobody will care about it. But drug dealers and criminals don't give two hoots whether the drug they're buying is illegal, that just makes them more valuable to sell off. Somethings that downright kill, like cocaine, heroine, etc... I don''t mind getting banned because they actually kill the user whether it's the first time or 100th time. Banning a drug like marijuana or Salvia, where there may be more positive effects, like medicinal purposes, and when it isn't anywhere near as addicting as other, more "hardcore" drugs (as far as I know, nobody has died overdosing on Marijuana or Salvia, don't quote me on that though) strikes me as being a bit too quick to the handle.

 

[Pecoros7]

I suspect the ban on marijuana-like substances happens for two reasons more than any other; one being that people call them marijuana alternatives and the other being that people in the United States tend to see all recreational drug use as bad. Many people who oppose recreational drug use hear "marijuana alternative" and think that it's just like the real thing and therefore should be banned just like the real thing.

Also remember that there was a time when alcohol was banned. In fact, we went as far as making it a constitutional ban. Prohibition had many of the same effects as other drug bans: black market consumption and organized crime. The big differences were in the magnitude of the crime problem and waning public support. I doubt that we'll see too many people up in arms about K2.

 

[Hazzaslagga]

I've never trusted any drug alternatives but pure 100% grown weed is fine in my books

 

[clipse15]

Wow has anyone here actually used Salvia? If so how can you feign shock and surprise at it getting banned? It is severaly mind altering and having something like that would be ridiculas if the general public had free unrestricted access to it. Now im not anti-drug in the least and believe that alcohol has effects much worse than weed. but come on Salvia is mind-bendingly insane.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Salvia doesn't do the same thing as weed. But I wouldn't touch these anyway.

 

[Shpongled]

Wow has anyone here actually used Salvia? If so how can you feign shock and surprise at it getting banned? It is severaly mind altering and having something like that would be ridiculas if the general public had free unrestricted access to it. Now im not anti-drug in the least and believe that alcohol has effects much worse than weed. but come on Salvia is mind-bendingly insane.

People have had unrestricted access to Salvia for years now, has it really been that ridiculous?

 

[migo]

Why would Salvia be banned?

Salvia is a drug that IIRC gets you high for about an hour, and then there are absolutely no side effects after. It's also not addicting IIRC, and is used to rehabilitate drug addicts in some cases.

Salvia can lead to reliving repressed memories, which if you happen to be a person with some traumas could really fuck you up (for a while). Nothing that couldn't be helped with good counseling, but if you're taking it to relax due to work stress it could turn out to be quite counterproductive in terms of rendering you unfit to work.

 

[pelopelopelo]

Well when it turned out the original Spice, way back in '08, had a number of synthetic cannabinoids such as JWH-018 and JWH-073 whilst the manufacturers were claiming the 'weed-like effects' were just a result of the naturally occurring herbs used to make up the blend I was less than amused, because they're research chemicals with little-to-no research into their long term effects.

Having said that, Spice was great fun in its day, particularly when mixed with weed, gave it a really nice, dreamy high.

Instead of saying the legal blends should stay (or have been kept), it would be far easier to just legalise weed. But that's a very old debate that doesn't seem to have any logical opposition, so...

I don't know about the US but here in the UK the JWH- series has all been banned, and long ago, and smoking blends these days are nowhere near as good, I hear (really not bothered to try them any more).

Also, salvia is a hugely potent hallucinogen, no wonder it was banned! A very worthwhile experience, though.