Poll: (***Massive Spoilers***) Modern Warfare 2 (***Massive Spoilers***)

[Danish_4116]

Yes, another MW2 thread, if you don't like it, don't read on.

Also:
Massive Spoilers, so don't read on if you haven't finished the campaign or don't want it spoiled.

I just finished the Modern Warfare 2 campaign. Who did you hate more out of Makarov and Shepherd?

I think IW did a better job of setting up Shepherd to be hated more than Makarov because of the scene viewed from the perspective of Roach as he brings the intel to Shepherd at the end of the Safehouse mission only to be shot by Shepherd and being burned alive after being doused with petrol and set alight by Shepherd's cigar.

On the other hand, I felt a bit indifferent towards Makarov during the airport scene, I don't know why. Maybe because I was actively taking part in the massacre and Makarov was my comrade during the attack. Even though he shoots you at the end of the raid, it's not as cold blooded as what Shepherd later does to Roach and Ghost. Or maybe because you KNOW he is the enemy and you think that Shepherd is your ally, so it's more of a shock when he betrays you.

What do you guys think?

I told you there would be massive spoilers.

Also, so I don't start another thread, where do you think Nikolai meant when he said he knows a place?
I think it might be Pripyat/Chernobyl.

 

[Mr.Black]

Of course it's Shepard. We don't even hear from Makarov after the airport mission. There's no time to hate him.

 

[Aesthetical Quietus]

Shepard's betrayal was colder, and as such made me hate him so much more. Makarov was nasty, but it was a "I'm being paid to do this, so I'm doing it" nasty, not a "I'm an asshole" nasty.

 

[GodofDisaster]

Well I really wanted to kill Makarov, but after learning the truth about shepard, my hatred switched to him.

 

[MrSnugglesworth]

Of course it's Shepard. We don't even hear from Makarov after the airport mission. There's no time to hate him.

Yeah you do.


The Airfield? Remember that? Where Price talks to Makarov?



OT: Probably Shepherd. I just like Makarovs voice.

 

[Spaghetti]

Well, Makarov was an absolute bastard and I didn't like him. But you knew he was a bad guy right from the start, so I kind of saw him as my enemy, but nothing to get particularly worked up about (aside from the Airport scene)...

...Shepard on the other hand betrays you out of the blue and kills Roach (Whom I liked) and Ghost and tries to Kill Soap and Price, which in my book is a step too far. No one kills my beloved charachters!


A little off topic, but does Soap sound an awful lot like the Captain from the Chernobyl mission in COD 4? Or is it just me...

 

[Dalisclock]

Makarov doesn't get nearly enough screen time to really hate him. You only see him during "No Russian" and hear him during "The enemy of my enemy" Shephard, OTOH, is your boss and just when you think he's there to rescue you and your team, he pulls one of the coldest betrayals I've seen in a while.

Though ironically, it seems like they set it up like that. Shephard himself pretty much calls Makarov a mercenary in the early levels "Selling blood for money".

 

[Rock Beefchest]

My concern although a little off topic is that they are going the same route as splinter cell. Price and Soap just finished this epic struggle to make sure shepard doesn't suceed in hiding what occurred but, everyone who knows they were a part of 141 is dead or low ranking, so they continue to be wanted by the US government.

I didn't like it when they made Sam Fisher the bad guy and I won't like it with Price and Soap as bad guys. I want my heroes to be rewarded and my enemies slew.

Keeping fingers cross that Fisher is vindicated in Conviction and that MW 3 returns price and soap to hero status publically.

 

[Distorted Stu]

I hated Sherpard as soon as he shot Ghost. Yes he shot me first but i dont care about me, Ghost man! Ghost!

 

[David_G]

Shepard, obviously. The reason I disliked him was because he made Soap and Price look like the bad guys, and also, he killed Ghost, I was so glad when I killed him at the end of the game.

 

[Nonny]

Makarov is doing what he's doing for money (presumably). Shepard is doing what he's doing to make himself look like a hero no matter what the cost to everyone else is. Shepard is an evil bastard

I was under the impression that it was more that he did what he did to spurr the remaining americans to fight. He says something along the lines of "Tomorrow there'll be no shortage of patriots and volunteers"

 

[Halceon]

Shepherd, because Makarov looks like Daniel Craig.

 

[Metzeten]

One thing that confused me slightly is how could the aged general whale on price so hard for so long, I mean, I was under the impression that the hardened SAS operative would have something more in his arsenal of close combat techniques than using his head as a punch bag. Granted price had just been down a waterfall, but a helicopter crash has got to shake anyone up (unless sheperds real name is Clark Kent)

I don't really see how they are going to bring back soap and price as hero's when/if IW make a MW:3, they have had too much slating and as has been said before, it seems the entirety of 141 is dead. Still, Price is the immortal character of COD, maybe his pornstar moustache will appear as another Captain Price.

 

[Atvomat_Nikonov]

Of course it's Shepard. We don't even hear from Makarov after the airport mission. There's no time to hate him.

Yeah you do.


The Airfield? Remember that? Where Price talks to Makarov?



OT: Probably Shepherd. I just like Makarovs voice.

Wierldy enough, same here. I found Makarov to be a likeable bad guy, probably because he didn't do anything bad to any of my favourite characters. Even though he massacred loads of innocent civilians in a level that almost made me sick, I still found a sense of comradery with Makarov.

I never liked Shepherd, even from the second I met him. He just seemed like a callous jackass. Plus he kicks Soap's arse in endgame, which sucks because Soap was awesome in this game. I don't think I'll enjoy killing Makarov in the next game, if you do kill him.

 

[Jark212]

Shepard's betrayal was colder, and as such made me hate him so much more. Makarov was nasty, but it was a "I'm being paid to do this, so I'm doing it" nasty, not a "I'm an asshole" nasty.

Exactly my reason...

 

[Quad08]

Makarov - Not enough screen time to make him feel like the primary antagonist, besides the airport scene.

Shepard - Felt tossed in (as a villain), suddenly he was the anagonist and it didn't feel at all real, but maybe that was the point. He was better suited to being the hardened war veteran who would do anything to win. The betrayal didn't make any sense to me. What did he gain?

 

[thisisyournamenow]

just as shepard was on about Makarov is a dog doing for the money, shepard is the man with all the strings. he is the puppet master