Poll: Modern Warfare 2 and its disgruntled participants.

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Kaervas

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1. It is a game, not actual war.
2. Yes, some weapons are old/unrealistic in a combat scenario.
3. It would be too expensive to update weapons every year like a Madden game to please everyone's delicate sensibilities simply because modern was in the title.
4. Killstreaks. The AC-130 does still see some use. EMPs and Nukes, while wildly impractical in a fight barely large enough to be called a border conflict, are rather difficult to obtain without boosting unless lucky with a care package. For combat on multiplayer, a single predator missle would probably be too expensive for the size of engagements.
5. Sometimes older weapons make it into current conflicts as good luck charms, or a long term soldiers personal preferences, even though an old shotgun is unlikely.
6. Weapon Use. Yes, they are seldom used as they should be. WA2000s are too rare to see much active use, but it is a game that lets you use a wide variety of weapons. You bat an eye at a rare gun being used on a battlefield, but ignore the practicality of a mini uzi with a thermal scope? How about a sniper rifle with an ACOG instead of a long range scope? As for throwing knives, if you notice, they are actually the tac knives from the attachment for handguns, so there is justification for having and throwing them. While impractical to run around with one at the ready, it would make sense if it was your only chance to stay alive with an empty gun. I have seen an AA-12 been used as an assault rifle on Hardcore, simply because if one pellet manages to hit, it is a kill. Learn to counter these tactics.

All in all, you complain about gun selection, because they tried to please everyone with a wide selection of weapons in all categories. (more than 2 shotguns for a prime example.) You comment on weapons being on the battlefield that most people wouldn't bring. (WA2000 and DEagle) Most likely every weapon in the game has seen current combat action in some engagement all over the world. Not necessarily a war, but just combat. After all, the FAMAS is a french assault rifle, and the P90 is also used by the french. The AK-47 is more commonly used by foreign military and paramilitary groups due to extreme reliability, availability, and costs, despite upgraded models. You complain about guns, and killstreaks being impractical and unbelievable. No one questions perks that make you not have a heat signature, or perks that dampen the electric pulse of a heart beat that can show up on a sensor, or something that lets you fall way farther than realistic without a scratch.

It is a game, designed to be entertaining. You want realism, join the army and try to wonder where the sniper that popped the guy next to you is before your head pop. If you don't like the guns in the game, how they work, or how the people use them, get along to BC2, sell the game, and quit complaining about things that won't change. Like it or hate it, the game is out, and no amount of complaining will change the major aspects of the game. They gave you a killstreak free playlist, but i doubt they will give you a playlist where all you get as a marine is an m4, m9, and a few frags, and the opfor get an AK, or some other piece of equipment gunrunners scrounged from the remains of army camps and battlefields.

PS: shouldn't have left out the G36c, should have left out having to use the ACOG for a thermal sight on sniper rifles, should have left the ACOG and Thermal sight from subguns.

Also, thanks to everyone who read this to the end.
 

CrashBang

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I know you're fairly new here, but this kind of thread has been done to death. I'd say it's tl;dr but I don't need to read it when we've all read countless arguments for and against MW2. At the end of the day if you like it, good for you, and if you don't then that's fine too. I personally loved the campaign and the spec ops missions. The online is very simple fun and a good time-waster. The game doesn't deserve the hate it's given, imo, but it also is not the best game ever by a looong shot. I just think it should stop being humped by die-hard fans and also stop being stabbed repeated by everyone else in the world

Can't we all just get along?
 

Rewold

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CrashBang said:
Can't we all just get along?
That we can not for I have already put my fanboy goggles on. And I will take OP's advice and buy BC2.
 
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These are none of the things I didn't like.

To me I loved COD4 because it felt perfectly balanced... as a level 5 I was killing level 30s and they only had a tiny advantage over me.

With this iteration the later weapons were so overpowered that as a low level you were relying on deathstreaks.

Then certain combinations of weapons+perks lead to incredibly overpowered kits.

That's what I hated.

Oh yeah also.

Who's stupid idea was it to allow a sniper to have a sniper and shotgun at the same time from start? Doesn't that completely defeat the point and drawback of a sniper?
 

Shapsters

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I'm confused... half the guns mentioned were in COD4 only...

What exactly is the point of this thread?
 

MiracleOfSound

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What?

People don't get mad at MW2 because it's unrealistic.

They get mad because it's unbalanced.
 

Kaervas

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appreciate that i didn't get mauled there, just wanted some venting at the people who freak out on modern warfare. Crash has a great point there at the end of their post that it is a good time waster and doesn't deserve all the ire it gets. B2 also has great points in overpowered loadouts thanks to perks and weapons, but they do have some overpowered weapons early on as well, with the prime example being the UMP .45, which has way too much in common with an AR to be a subgun. For Shapsters, the guns are also in MW2, with the exception of my wishful thinking about the G36c, cause i had played CoD4 the other night and had forgotten my love of the gun. And finally, for sound, that is the biggest complaint i get from people who jumped from the CoD bandwagon to the Battlefield bandwagon. I suppose that relates to the overpowered class setups, but I personally view it as a challenge to counter the loadouts and find what works to do so.

As it is, quite possibly the new topic post i have done simply due to lack of crucifixion i received. I honestly thought i would call down the wrath of BC2 and get mauled haha.
 

Tourette

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There wasn't an option for 'No dedicated servers on PC' so haven't ticked any.
 

PDizzle418

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with MW2 there are lots of things they did right and lots of thigns they did wrong, they took and sold themselves for a popular game that anyone could play by finding their play style.

it's a challange to play yourself towards the masses I just think MW2 went a little too crazy in terms of trying to satisfy people, they gimped their chances of being a legitimate competative game by not doing dedicated sveres and putting in fairly rediculous weaponry.

the problem with the game is that they set it in a real world setting and took themselves seriously then added rediculous things like a tactical knife, nukes and dual wielding.

I still play the game now and again because it's fun to play, it's just a bit silly


also getting nukes is not very hard I have upwards of 40 or so and a friend who's hit over 100 by himself so it's not an impossible thing by a long shot you just need to know how to play it and get lucky now and again
 

Eggsnham

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Tolerated until BC2.

Even now BC2 is starting to get a little old. I guess I just don't have that gamer sense about me anymore.

EDIT: What I mean by that is that I don't really find myself playing videogames very often at all anymore. I just don't find it as fun as I used to =/
 

WolfLordAndy

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Tourette said:
There wasn't an option for 'No dedicated servers on PC' so haven't ticked any.
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yup this, never bought due to crappy attitude towards PC gamers. Having seen it being played, don't feel I missed anything at all, and I'm very happy playing BC2 until BF3 comes out :)
 

sephiroth1991

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I didn't buy it, it was given to me.

It's a unbalenced piece of crap that i find too easy to play, their is little challenge for people who have been playin shooters for a long time.
 
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Kaervas said:
It is a game, designed to be entertaining. You want realism, join the army and try to wonder where the sniper that popped the guy next to you is before your head pop.
This is the only line I really have a problem with. As the Call of Duty games are supposed to have a sliver of realism about them and always have had a bit until recently. Like in CoD1 when you got shot in the hand you dropped your weapon and had limited Health. While most of this went out in CoD2 it was still a bit more realist than MW2 which wasn't originally even a Call of Duty game. They only put Call of Duty name back into it because no one was paying attention to it. You also lack options for no dedicated servers/removal of features from PC version and the fact that it had no real beta.
 

capin Rob

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Its just Meh, But they are also dickfaces that pretty much Copy Pated Rainbow Six vegas 2's Guns. And they have bad servers that cause messed up games, and they didn't balance the weapons.
 

Hyper-space

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GamesB2 said:
These are none of the things I didn't like.

To me I loved COD4 because it felt perfectly balanced... as a level 5 I was killing level 30s and they only had a tiny advantage over me.
Dude, when i started playing MW2 i was a complete newbie to multiplayer FPS's as the last one i played was Mobile Forces and even i managed to kill lvl 60's as easily as i would kill a level 1. The difference between level 1 and 70 is how well you know the maps. All the starter guns are as good as the ones you unlock later on. Hell i am still using M4A1 (the starter assault rifle) at level 64.
 

maddawg IAJI

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I own both BC2 and Modern Warfare 2.

I play BC2 and my brother plays MW2. I've very rarely hear people complain about Perks, weapons or....well anything really, even from my own brother who plays the game to death and is even playing it in front of me as I type this.

I have my own disbelief for BC2 (For example, how does a defibrillator revive soldiers who were crushed by buildings or why the Assault class has to throw down an ammo pack that he is carrying to refill his own ammunition and how does said pack carry 4 clips of every ammo type for every gun in the entire game?), but its still a fun game to me and that's the point to buying those games.

There is no such thing as a "Realistic shooter." Not even the ones created by the U.S Army are realistic. It's just a term that developers threw out there to try and draw people into it.

Video games are meant to serve as an escape from reality, we don't need nor do we have any games that have any sense of reality.

As for which game is better?....They're both decent FPS that sacrificed enjoyment in its Single Player for an addicting multiplayer experience that varies between players and there tastes. They aren't anything different and never have been.

Modern Warfare suffered from a short, easy campaign that can be beaten on veteran by anyone who remembers the controls from the previous 2 games.

Battlefield Bad Company 2 suffers from a lackluster campaign filled with Dust (Even in the rain forests)that fill your sights every single time you cause an explosion about the size of a man and a end level that left me EXTREMELY unsatisfied.

Both games are fun for a few moments, but neither are anything spectacular.
 

run_forrest_run

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First of all this thread has been done to death. Second of all you're an arsehole. No amount of complaining will change the fact that this game is out and no matter how much you can miss the point it won't change the fact that people who hate it, like me, are always going to hate it. We don't complain about killstreaks being impractical, we complain about there being far too many. We don't care that some of the weapons wouldn't be used in actual combat and we don't care what a real soldier would do. Of course a real soldier would use a shotgun like an assault rifle or throw a knife if necessary. I guess you should mention that a real soldier would teleport 10 feet if he needed to. This appears to be a rant on why people don't like it and from everything i've ever read, people don't like it because it's unbalanced. Too many weapons, attachments, killstreaks and perks. The game isn't welcome on this website so don't try to force it upon us.