Poll: On the subject of murder in games

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MrToy

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Looking forward to the release of Hitman: Absolution, I have replayed Blood Money installment. And what I realised is that I really love killing in Hitman games.

Nowadays, there are so many games that involve killing, but only few emphasise it. Modern shooters rarely have killing as goal - it is just a way to progress throw the so called "story". In strategies you actually don't see the act of violence at all.

Of course, some games show us what the real violence is. Manhunt has done a great job of scaring the shit out of me, but the amount of gore in this game made it all a bit unreal and unappealing. Spec Ops: The Line actually give an example of real warfare but it doesn't exaggerrate violence - it shows its consequences.

Hitman is very different. In this game killing is your goal; moreover, the better you do it (more silently/unusually) the more bonuses you get. Murder is showed from the most beatiful side - the side of the professional. Absolution (from what I have seen) takes it to the whole new level - murder has become even more fluid and natural.

The game actually invites you to kill - this process is made to look as much appealing as it can look. You are supposed to think what is the best way to murder. Contracts mode (if you don't know what it is - look up on Youtube) even lets you choose who YOU want to kill.

What I am asking is: Is it ok that a game actually makes us a murderer? And not Niko Bellic kind of murderer (we know that this guy would never exist anyway) but a 47 king of murderer - psychotic killer with almost no emotions (I can imagine a guy like that living in my city). Is it ok that game tries to persuade us to like the act of murder?

(Hope that I was clear in my topic. If I wasn't - criticism is much appreaciated)
 

Karoshi

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There are many books who take on the prespective of the serial killer and describe their actions and motives in high detail. Have I actually felt resonance with them and sometimes even rooted for the to win? Yes. Do I want to be a serial killer myself? No.

Hitman is just that. A possiblity to try on a new mask, a new prespective and enjoy the gameplay. Killing is wrong, yet also fascinating and highly romanticized in current media. I do not find the success of the game suprising or abhorrent, yet it can raise some red flags for many people.

So, the big question for me would be: Do I kill the bad guys or just "normal" people in Hitman? Is there any other justification apart from money to perform the assasinations?
 

Baron von Blitztank

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Of course it's fine! Hell, my favourite questlines in the recent Elder Scrolls games have been working for the Dark Brotherhood!
You're not killing actual people so what's the harm?
 

Terminate421

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I'm one of the people who prefers to fire second. Speak softly but carry a big stick if you will. When I figure out who attacks, then BOOM. Unleash my rage.
 

skywolfblue

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I really don't enjoy the murdering of innocents. And even though "It's a game" it still speaks something about peoples hidden desires and I find that a little troubling.

Now if they're bad guys, murder away.
 

OldDirtyCrusty

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Looking at the majority of my games i can clearly answer with yes. It`s not just ok i like it a lot.
 

Ragsnstitches

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I prefer games that offer alternatives to killing... possibly why stealth games are so fun for me (since I can, essentially, avoid confrontations altogether). The more realistic a game is, or the more it tries to channel contemporary events into a narrative (modern war games) the more repulsive I find the violence.

I can indulge in and enjoy fantasy violence, as long as there is a clear distinction between the world I'm in and the virtual world I'm exploring. Generally fantasy games get a pass under my moral compass (I don't feel bad killing human like characters). If given the option I generally still take a reserved approach towards violence.

I can also enjoy OTT violence like in Infamous or the GTA games (bar IV... they channelled too much emotion and it clashed horrendously with the OTT violence the series is known for).

SO yeah, its fine for me. But context is important. I find the Modern War shooter genre (and some "historical" shooters) to be crass and tasteless. The violence is not part of that world or a theme, it's a glamorised representation of real violence.

Funnily enough, treyarchs CoD (as much as some people hate them) are more enjoyable for me then Infinity Wards CoD, since they liberally stretch the boundaries of the fantasy elements in their games, and worry less about the "authenticity" of their narrative. Black Ops was a fun OTT conspiracy, World at War was a great propaganda reel.

Spec Ops The Line is an exception, as it tastefully illustrates the issues with the Modern War genre. The violence works. It fits the narrative. Its not a gimmick or the core of the game, its a narrative element.

We need more of that.
 
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The games don't have to persuade us of anything. We make the games...they just reflect what we like and/or are interested in.

Nature is very cruel and violent.
 

Lt._nefarious

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What do you mean by art? I killed several people in the public bathroom in Megaton (Fallout 3) and arranged there limbs into a little work of art ala the Ice Truck killer from Dexter...

But, yeah, it's fine, it's a game...
 

J Tyran

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MrToy said:
In strategies you actually don't see the act of violence at all.
The Dawn of War series has always had gory and violent animations instead of little units plinking away at each other. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9bWEz4ME-M