Poll: RPG Storylines: Better, Worse, or Same? Character Development in RPGs.

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Krythe

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Ok, ask yourself, "When was the last time I played a game with a really good story? One that got to me?"

The answer's likely a couple years at best.​

Game Developers seem to be completely ignoring even the most basic rules of storytelling these days.

It's true that in hack&slash games, you can get away with this. In that genre, the character is a placeholder. A block of tofu there to cater endless waves of carnage to the people who start gorno threads on 4chan. In RPGs, though, you can't skimp on a story. It's a ROLE-PLAYING game. The idea is to immerse yourself in the game, bond so tightly to the character that it feels like it's you beating down the Joker's fashionably-challenged cousin with your nuke-level summon magic.

These days though, good story just seems a rarity.​

Someone needs to drive over to Lionhead studios and explain the difference between "RPG" and "Life-simulator". Then remove Molyneux's fingernails with pliers as punishment for Fable. Bioware games are well-written, but Yahtzee's aptly-named "bioware effect" just gives it the characters an unreal quality which stops you from taking it seriously.

And most of all there's Final Fantasy. Face it, any real "gamer" between the age of 7 and 40 has played a final fantasy game.

-FFVI was as immersive as you could get with paper cut-outs.

-FFVII was melodramatic at times and had the most soul-crushing starting area this side of Peragus, but the execution was compelling enough to be forgiven that. (I think most of us can agree we hate the fans more than the actual game if nothing else.)

-FFVIII was where the series went awry in my book. SE reasoned with typical producer-logic that "ZOMG, CLOUD WAS ANGSTY!!! DAT WAS HIS SECRET!!! MOAR ANGSTT!!!111!1ONE!" And they created the most egregiously emo array of characters that were completely unrelatable to anyone without a personal shrine to Linkin Park. (The magic system was also the most wretched piece of shit ever, but that's not my point here.)

-Now we have FFXIII, a copy-paste of FFVII with Cloud's gender changed and the story beginning during the Underwater Juno Reactor mission with no prologue whatsoever. These characters are actually competing with FFVIII's BAAAWWWfest for the title of "most annoying" in my book, which I didn't even think was possible.

In the archetypal hero's journey (See Joseph Campbell's Monomyth), the characters begin as cowardly and inept, struggling with their own petty quarrels and robbed of the capacity for affirmative action by the monotony of society, much like we all are here right now. It's through their struggles in which they build themselves up to become heroes, gaining the strength to face their enemies and the courage to deal with their own inner demons.

FFXIII does this in the COMPLETELY OPPOSITE ORDER. Most of the characters, most notably Lightning, start off as collected, skilled, and focused; but then degenerate into self-piteous whining machines, often LITERALLY breaking down in the middle of the street for no fucking reason whatsoever. Towards the middle, it feels like if you actually did relate to any of these people, you should stop playing the game before they start cutting their wrists and crying about how no one understands them. The only one who ever shows a vague amount of improvement is Hope and his initial appearance set his bar pretty fucking low.

And I'm not even gonna comment on FFXII because that game was so fucking horrible I couldn't even finish playing it.


TL;DR - RPG storylines suck these days and they're getting worse. Yay or Nay?
 

Lullabye

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....you forgot the gold that was Final Fantasy Tactics. My favorite of them anyway....
OT: I have no doubt that RPG's both western and J are declining in quality. Oblivion was the most recent WRPG that I really enjoyed, and I think Last RMenant was the most recent game I could stomach from Square. I think the problem is the dev's are getting to caught up in trying to please everyone. I remember when they didn't give a flying fuck and just made good games anyway.
I miss Shadow of the Colossus......
You know what we need? Another Disgaea. I miss my lvl 9999 characters and my 10, 000, 000 dmg attacks.
What I really think they should do is let the Koreans take a crack at this genre. Maybe they'll come up with something good, o_O, maybe even an actual game duplicate of Yureka! That would be Awesome!
 

CmdrGoob

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Ummm sort of.

I don't think we'll ever have another Planescape: Torment, because that amount of text just isn't feasible these days. On the other hand, PS:T was an abberation even in it's own time. Recently Bioware is writing some great characters and excellent dialogue in ME2 and DA:O and we've had The Witcher and Mask of the Betrayer and Vampires: the Masquerade Bloodlines, so we've had a supply of well written western RPGs that's at least as regular as it was in the old days.

JRPGs have gone drastically downhill though, in my opinion. It's all too much silly melodrama and too many unlikable cliche characters these days for my tastes. Where's the simple charm and likeable characters of Chronotrigger gone?
 

Krythe

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Lullabye said:
....you forgot the gold that was Final Fantasy Tactics. My favorite of them anyway....
Sadly, I never managed to play that one. Still, I have very little trouble believing it's better than the current standards.
 

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Krythe said:
Lullabye said:
....you forgot the gold that was Final Fantasy Tactics. My favorite of them anyway....
Sadly, I never managed to play that one. Still, I have very little trouble believing it's better than the current standards.
Indeed it is.
They got quite a lineup of characters too, and event though it's set in the same world as 12, it suffers from none of it's ailments. Unless you consider Balthier to be a bad thing(yes, he's in it)
THey also have Cloud from 7, but not the angsty "it's all my fault" Cloud. More like the "GTFO of my way, or I'll cut you" badass cloud we all wanted to happen.
The writing was impeccable, the story smooth and plot hole free(as far as I'm concerned). Really, the only beef I had with the game was that there was no air ship. But then, they didn't have air ships in the dark ages now did they? Oh well.
I really suggest you play it. It's out for PsP so it doesn't cost much, you can also download it off PSN.
 

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Krythe said:
Ok, ask yourself, "When was the last time I played a game with a really good story? One that got to me?"​


<url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/326.163769-Neutral-Drow-reviews-Kanon>A few months ago. Why?

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Ooooohhh, you meant specifically an RPG?

<url=http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/9311/21397talesofsymphoniada.jpg>A few months before that. Or possibly <url=http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/894/talesoftheabyss.jpg>currently.

Oh, and I wanted to admit to being a conformist loser, but either I missed the button, or that option disappeared.​
 

Krythe

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NeutralDrow said:
Krythe said:
Ok, ask yourself, "When was the last time I played a game with a really good story? One that got to me?"​


<url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/326.163769-Neutral-Drow-reviews-Kanon>A few months ago. Why?

...

Ooooohhh, you meant specifically an RPG?

<url=http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/9311/21397talesofsymphoniada.jpg>A few months before that. Or possibly <url=http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/894/talesoftheabyss.jpg>currently.

Oh, and I wanted to admit to being a conformist loser, but either I missed the button, or that option disappeared.​


Dammit! The Escapist better not have disabled that option... That's my callsign for making polls! *bitter tears*

Ok, yeah... There's a few non-RPGs with a good story, I'll admit that much. It's just supposed to bear more brunt of the experiance in RPGs.​
 

Chicago Ted

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We didn't have Mass Effect in the past, therefore I say we're improving. It's my favourite Sci-Fi. And I couldn't really care for JRPGs that much. FFX was great and I love Kingdom Hearts, but other then those two, I really don't have much interest in them.
 

NeutralDrow

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Krythe said:
NeutralDrow said:
Krythe said:
Ok, ask yourself, "When was the last time I played a game with a really good story? One that got to me?"​


<url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/326.163769-Neutral-Drow-reviews-Kanon>A few months ago. Why?

...

Ooooohhh, you meant specifically an RPG?

<url=http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/9311/21397talesofsymphoniada.jpg>A few months before that. Or possibly <url=http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/894/talesoftheabyss.jpg>currently.

Oh, and I wanted to admit to being a conformist loser, but either I missed the button, or that option disappeared.​


Dammit! The Escapist better not have disabled that option... That's my callsign for making polls! *bitter tears*

Ok, yeah... There's a few non-RPGs with a good story, I'll admit that much. It's just supposed to bear more brunt of the experience in RPGs.​


Heh, then I was probably cheating with that first one. An RPG at least still has gameplay to fall back on. What does a visual novel have if its story sucks? Artwork and music, I suppose, but that's what youtube's for.

But yeah, I've been far more impressed with the Tales series so far than I was with Final Fantasy...says the man who's only played two FF games so far. I will get to FFX one of these days, since I own it, but I'm going through a backlog of stuff...​
 

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I have been touched by quite a few stories in games over the last couple years. Not gonna say every RPG made lately has had a good story but there has been a few. Go back and look at the old school rpgs. They had no story. It was save the princess or the chosen one gig. Stories in games have evolved over the years. Not far enough but hey they are still truckin along.
 

Krythe

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NeutralDrow said:
Heh, then I was probably cheating with that first one. An RPG at least still has gameplay to fall back on. What does a visual novel have if its story sucks? Artwork and music, I suppose, but that's what youtube's for.

But yeah, I've been far more impressed with the Tales series so far than I was with Final Fantasy...says the man who's only played two FF games so far. I will get to FFX one of these days, since I own it, but I'm going through a backlog of stuff...
Seriously, don't bother with FFX unless you're bored and can't afford vodka. It's about an emo ganguro being a hypocrite. The end.
 

Kagim

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FFX is actually pretty good. Its one of the few games where i actually believe most of the characters reasons to be doing what they are doing.

Kingdom Hearts one had a really good storyline except for one really cringe worthy line at the end of the game.

Ansem: Kingdom hearts is darkness!
Sora; no! i know now without a doubt kingdom hearts is light!

LIGHT BLASTS THROUGH THE DOOR DESPITE IT SWARMING WITH HEARTLESS!

Kagim cringes before the bad ass cinematic plays and he forgive the game for that hiccup

Kingdom hearts 2 had an amazingly simple yet well done storyline. Which is nice to see.
I look forward to the PsP game and Kingdom Hearts 3.

Outside of that... Not really as of late... White knight... so far i am really unimpressed with the storyline. I think i blinked because magically the main character and the Princess are soul mates who love each other in a split second of seeing each other.

Seriously, did i accidentally miss a cut scene or something? What the hell!
 

sagacious

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I disagreed with your assertion that stories are getting worse. They are, as a trend, getting better. Just look at the Mass effect series, or for that matter the efforts that are being put into Crysis 2's story. plus, think about how much more story-driven games made in the 2000's are compared to games in the 1990's

It's fun to be a Doomsayer, but personally, I've encountered more than enough evidence to make me optimistic about the future of Gaming, and gaming stories.
 

Lolth17

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Does it have to be a JRPG?

Cuz, yeah, I can't think of a good one I've played in awhile. But as far as ALL RPGs go, come on:

Bioware.

That is all.
 

Veilside

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Xenogears is the bar I set for all JRPG storylines so needless to say my expectations are pretty high and never matched. The newer FF's, DQ8 and Lost Odyssey though enjoyable just don't match up. Every new RPG I play strengthens my belief that no story will match the complexity and epicness of Xenogears.

As far as WRPG's go, Dragon Age was lacking storywise but Mass Effect was pretty damn good and I'm looking forward to playing the 2nd one.