Poll: Skyrim- Did you kill Paarthurnax?

[Ix Rebound]

I have no idea why anyone would want to kill the big green dragon, I mean come on there are so many reasons not to.

1. hes an actually friendly dragon
2. He can upgrade your shouts
3. he has an awesome voice
4. the graybeards will stop helping you if you do
5. Delphines a *****

Seriously fuck the Blades and their demands.

 

[Danceofmasks]

I didn't kill Paarthunax, but empirically speaking, the blades are right.

You, the dovahkiin, won't live forever .. but without you around, dragons will.
(unless you've pwned Alduin .. but unless you do things out of order, you don't even know at that time if it's possible .. unless you're 4th wall breakin' and sayin' it's a video game therefore you're going to win)

 

[JayElleBee]

I wouldn't kill Paarthurnax. D: He's such a nice dragon and there's really not enough of them around.

 

[Rack]

Yes.

Spoiler

Paarthunax: Use Dragonrend, go ong, Use Dragonrend, why aren't you using Dragonrend? You know what you should use, Dragonrend, Dragonrend is really good you should use it. I don't know if you've noticed but that's a Dragon and Dragonrend is really good against Dragons. DragonrendDragonrendDragonrendDragonrendDragonrendDragonrendDragonrendDragonrendDragonrendDragonrend.

Me: Okay, fine, you asked for it. *Kill Paarthunax*

Delphine: Please kill Paarthunax, we have a vendetta that spans the millenium, he killed many of our order and...

Me: It's done. You have absolutely no idea how much more I hate him than you. NO IDEA.

 

[JesterRaiin]

I have no idea why anyone would want to kill the big green dragon

Same here.

I didn't kill Paarthunax, but empirically speaking, the blades are right.

You, the dovahkiin, won't live forever .. but without you around, dragons will.
(unless you've pwned Alduin .. but unless you do things out of order, you don't even know at that time if it's possible .. unless you're 4th wall breakin' and sayin' it's a video game therefore you're going to win)

Paarthunax lives for thousands of years without Alduin around. He helped people. He helps Dragon's Bane. Even with Dragon's Bane dead there is no argument for Paarthunax to suddenly attack humanity. He poses no threat, therefore killing him is simply senseless.

To the rest who went with "Blades told me to"... Ah, nevermind.

 

[Danceofmasks]

I have no idea why anyone would want to kill the big green dragon

Same here.

I didn't kill Paarthunax, but empirically speaking, the blades are right.

You, the dovahkiin, won't live forever .. but without you around, dragons will.
(unless you've pwned Alduin .. but unless you do things out of order, you don't even know at that time if it's possible .. unless you're 4th wall breakin' and sayin' it's a video game therefore you're going to win)

Paarthunax lives for thousands of years without Alduin around. He helped people. He helps Dragon's Bane. Even with Dragon's Bane dead there is no argument for Paarthunax to suddenly attack humanity. He poses no threat, therefore killing him is simply senseless.

To the rest who went with "Blades told me to"... Ah, nevermind.

What?
Paarthunax says he posts a threat, so who are you to say he doesn't?

Just by existing, his very nature to dominate, even if suppressed, is in and of itself a point of contention.
He doesn't have to do anything for thousands of years.
In the grand scheme of forever, some shit will eventually hit the fan, and if that were to happen without a dovahkiin around, it's a very bad deal for mortals.

Seems to me, the only ones in the whole argument that is thinking in the proper terms of time, that is, dragons are freakin' immortal, is Paarthunax and the Blades.

 

[Fleetfiend]

I didn't kill Paarthunax, but empirically speaking, the blades are right.

You, the dovahkiin, won't live forever .. but without you around, dragons will.
(unless you've pwned Alduin .. but unless you do things out of order, you don't even know at that time if it's possible .. unless you're 4th wall breakin' and sayin' it's a video game therefore you're going to win)

Well said. I also didn't kill him, but I could really see their point.

Also, way to but a nice little spoiler right in the title. xD

 

[StormShaun]

I saw him as a friendly dragon...AT FIRST, then I killed his brother and saw his true reasons for helping me. I had a smirk when I saw it and felt a multiple of feelings run down off my face and into my character...well after that, lets just say that there is a skeleton on top of the mountain know.

Long live The DOVAHKIIN!

My characters plan is now to start a family and teach generations of his family the dragon shouts and tame the dragons, until the day we will be called dragon riders.

Sounds good.

 

[JesterRaiin]

Paarthunax lives for thousands of years without Alduin around. He helped people. He helps Dragon's Bane. Even with Dragon's Bane dead there is no argument for Paarthunax to suddenly attack humanity. He poses no threat, therefore killing him is simply senseless.

To the rest who went with "Blades told me to"... Ah, nevermind.

What?
Paarthunax says he posts a threat, so who are you to say he doesn't?

Just by existing, his very nature to dominate, even if suppressed, is in and of itself a point of contention.
He doesn't have to do anything for thousands of years.
In the grand scheme of forever, some shit will eventually hit the fan, and if that were to happen without a dovahkiin around, it's a very bad deal for mortals.

Seems to me, the only ones in the whole argument that is thinking in the proper terms of time, that is, dragons are freakin' immortal, is Paarthunax and the Blades.

That!
- There are more far more dangerous threats in the land of Skyrim than ancient, meditative dragon. Bears come to mind. So do bandits, Forsworn and Falmer. Deadric princes with their worshippers. Peryite's pestilence. Long eared invaders. Necromancers.

- Teachings of Greybeards. Teachings of Paarthurnax. Talk to them. Listen to them. Do they strike you as potential threat to anyone ?

- The Way of the Voice. What's it philosophy ? Paarthurnax is the master of the Way.

- Esbern. He's f*king lunatic, suspicious of everything and everyone. He has grounds for that, but his judgment is likely to be clouded.

Courtesy of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim
- Paarthurnax did rebel against Alduin, and was instrumental in Alduin's first demise.

- Also : If you let Paarthurnax live, there will be a short scene with him after you have defeated Alduin for good, and he will tell you that he will try to round up the other dragons and bring them into the Way of the Voice, teaching them how to be peaceful.

My point stands.

 

[everythingbeeps]

Hey, nice spoilers in the topic title.

Anyway, no I didn't. He was a pretty cool guy. Taught me to yank dragons out of the sky and doesn't afraid of anything.

 

[Danceofmasks]

Paarthunax lives for thousands of years without Alduin around. He helped people. He helps Dragon's Bane. Even with Dragon's Bane dead there is no argument for Paarthunax to suddenly attack humanity. He poses no threat, therefore killing him is simply senseless.

To the rest who went with "Blades told me to"... Ah, nevermind.

What?
Paarthunax says he posts a threat, so who are you to say he doesn't?

Just by existing, his very nature to dominate, even if suppressed, is in and of itself a point of contention.
He doesn't have to do anything for thousands of years.
In the grand scheme of forever, some shit will eventually hit the fan, and if that were to happen without a dovahkiin around, it's a very bad deal for mortals.

Seems to me, the only ones in the whole argument that is thinking in the proper terms of time, that is, dragons are freakin' immortal, is Paarthunax and the Blades.

That!
- There are more far more dangerous threats in the land of Skyrim than ancient, meditative dragon. Bears come to mind. So do bandits, Forsworn and Falmer. Deadric princes with their worshippers. Peryite's pestilence. Long eared invaders. Necromancers.

- Teachings of Greybeards. Teachings of Paarthurnax. Talk to them. Listen to them. Do they strike you as potential threat to anyone ?

- The Way of the Voice. What's it philosophy ? Paarthurnax is the master of the Way.

- Esbern. He's f*king lunatic, suspicious of everything and everyone. He has grounds for that, but his judgment is likely to be clouded.

Courtesy of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim
- Paarthurnax did rebel against Alduin, and was instrumental in Alduin's first demise.

- Also : If you let Paarthurnax live, there will be a short scene with him after you have defeated Alduin for good, and he will tell you that he will try to round up the other dragons and bring them into the Way of the Voice, teaching them how to be peaceful.

My point stands.

No, your point only stands in hindsight.

Tell me, what exactly are the teachings of the greybeards?
They are neither peaceful or not peaceful. What they are are hermits. That is all.
But where the greybeards can be feasible hermits, because they are mortals and die, dragons can only ever be hermits until they eventually stop being hermits.

It's the eternity argument.

 

[JesterRaiin]

My point stands.

No, your point only stands in hindsight.

Tell me, what exactly are the teachings of the greybeards?
They are neither peaceful or not peaceful. What they are are hermits. That is all.
But where the greybeards can be feasible hermits, because they are mortals and die, dragons can only ever be hermits until they eventually stop being hermits.

It's the eternity argument.

The Order of Greybeards and their teachings are "things" valued by Skyrim's inhabitants. With the exception of some small and dense minded people, both simple folk and kings hold them in high esteem. Because they understand the meaning of saying "with great power comes the great responsibility", they live in seclusion even if in some eyes that makes them uncaring. Yet, they know that their power shouldn't be misused for the sake of some petty, childish reasons.

And since you seem to forget that part, i'll remind you, that they weren't formed the day when Dragon's Bane crossed Skyrim's border. They are an ancient order that guards and teaches The Way of Voice.

So, i really can't see how this argument contradicts or disproves what i said eariler.

On the other hand, you sir, chose ONLY ONE of my arguments and tried to disprove it in hope that it'll guarantee your success. Beware. You're wandering straight to the zone populated by dirty tricks.
It's not what we're "arguing" about. It's not who has right. It's also how we do it.

 

[Danceofmasks]

My point stands.

No, your point only stands in hindsight.

Tell me, what exactly are the teachings of the greybeards?
They are neither peaceful or not peaceful. What they are are hermits. That is all.
But where the greybeards can be feasible hermits, because they are mortals and die, dragons can only ever be hermits until they eventually stop being hermits.

It's the eternity argument.

The Order of Greybeards and their teachings are "things" valued by Skyrim's inhabitants. With the exception of some small and dense minded people, both simple folk and kings hold them in high esteem. Because they understand the meaning of saying "with great power comes the great responsibility", they live in seclusion even if in some eyes that makes them uncaring. Yet, they know that their power shouldn't be misused for the sake of some petty, childish reasons.

And since you seem to forget that part, i'll remind you, that they weren't formed the day when Dragon's Bane crossed Skyrim's border. They are an ancient order that guards and teaches The Way of Voice.

So, i really can't see how this argument contradicts or disproves what i said eariler.

On the other hand, you sir, chose ONLY ONE of my arguments and tried to disprove it in hope that it'll guarantee your success. Beware. You're wandering straight to the zone populated by dirty tricks.
It's not what we're "arguing" about. It's not who has right. It's also how we do it.

I would also like to remind you that angeir's first reaction to your looking for a way to defeat Alduin is that you're not supposed to.
The world is meant to end, because that's Alduin's job.

Yes, people hold the greybeards in high esteem.
But they don't know what they actually stand for, nor do they know a dragon leads them.

What's more, you don't know what Paarthunax's true motives are. None.
Apart from what he says to you, the only thing that can kill him permanently.

 

[RickyRich]

I killed him solely because I thought the Blades quest line would go further than it did, after I killed him, it just halted. I felt so bad for killing my ally and then having nothing to do with the Blades ever again.

 

[JesterRaiin]

It's not what we're "arguing" about. It's not who has right. It's also how we do it.

I would also like to remind you that angeir's first reaction to your looking for a way to defeat Alduin is that you're not supposed to.
The world is meant to end, because that's Alduin's job.

Yes, people hold the greybeards in high esteem.
But they don't know what they actually stand for, nor do they know a dragon leads them.

What's more, you don't know what Paarthunax's true motives are. None.
Apart from what he says to you, the only thing that can kill him permanently.

Why, one of oldest proverbs serves as best argument here :
"You'll know them by their deeds".

- The Greybeards are ancient, powerful ones. They had enough time to build web of lies, contacts, manipulate kings and people, enter structures, steer the empires to the future they think is "best". They chose not to. Why ?

- With the return of Alduin there's no change in their attitude. There's no spontaneous dyeing their beards red, screams "Masssssssssster, your humble sssssservantssss welcome you !" followed by crazy go-go dance and occasional FosDahRohs just for laughs. No. They chose to help a human instead. Potential threat to ALL dragons, not just "evil ones".

- Angeir (like every other Greybeard) is repulsed by violence. Any kind of violence. That's one of reasons why they live in seclusion, right ? But does he prevents Dragon's Bane ? I don't remember "f*ck you savage, go on with your unclean mind, we won't no part in this abbatoir you call 'solution'"...

- At any given moment Paathunax could attack Dragon's Bane. For example by dropping big rock on his head.

- Greybeards could kill Dragon's Bane before or after he came with intention to kill their mentor.

...and so on, and so on, and so on...
Point is, you're using assumptions to justify your actions. I use hard facts. I spared the old dragon, and there's no negative outcome.

 

[Agow95]

I didn't kill him, he can keep the dragons under control, I'm more powerful than him if he were to turn evil, and if I'm dead and he does, then I'm dead, why should care, I wish there as a quest to kill the blades as well though.