Poll: So, Citadel DLC... what did you think?

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TheCommanders

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Well, I didn't see any other posts on the topic, so seeing as I'd just finished the last of the content, I thought I would (although with my luck I'll probably have missed a much better put together thread or something).

Anyway, my impressions were mostly positive. I loved getting to spend more time with the characters of Mass Effect, which had always been my favorite part. I can't help but thinking, however, that all the content would have been much more fitting as post-ending content. You know, to celebrate beating the reapers and all. I would still like an explanation for the breathing scene, but it seems that is likely to be unforthcomming.

Summary: Good times with virtual friends, slightly out of place happening before the ending.
 

Soviet Heavy

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I think that Bioware needs to remember not to put musicals into their games.

They try to make it so heartfelt and it just comes off as hilarious.
 

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Quick question, does Jack feature in it at all? I haven't got it (or any ME3 DLC) yet, and while more interaction with Garrus or Tali or Ashley etc. is cool and all, I'll only really be interested if they took the opportunity to include the characters who got sidelined in the main game.
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
I think that Bioware needs to remember not to put musicals into their games.

They try to make it so heartfelt and it just comes off as hilarious.
...for the record, my favorite character cannot sing...well she can, but she really shouldn't. Just gonna pretend this never happened.

EDIT: Also I just found out who the main villain of the DLC is....WHAT!?
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
I think that Bioware needs to remember not to put musicals into their games.

They try to make it so heartfelt and it just comes off as hilarious.


lol. If that is the best that Bioware could do I feel sorry for anyone who payed for that(assuming it wasn't free, if it was whatevs, still hilariously bad).
They really turned Tali into a space school girl.
 

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Well that was pretty fucking weird. I guess Tali has been listening to too much T-Pain, tone down the autotune.

Question for those who have played through this DLC, is the main quest any good? Or is the whole thing just hanging out with your pals on the Citadel?
 

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Geo Da Sponge said:
Quick question, does Jack feature in it at all? I haven't got it (or any ME3 DLC) yet, and while more interaction with Garrus or Tali or Ashley etc. is cool and all, I'll only really be interested if they took the opportunity to include the characters who got sidelined in the main game.
Based on the trailer that was up yesterday, yes, Jack is in it. She even gets what she wants (if you recall what she said if you chose her as your romance option during the final mission) if the trailer is to be believed.

I agree that this would have fit much better as a post-ending DLC, and I haven't even played it yet. Stupid PS3 store doesn't have it up. Anyway, the trailer alone makes me feel like this is how the game should have wrapped up. So sad, but at least we get to see the return of everyone.
 

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Sniper Team 4 said:
Geo Da Sponge said:
Quick question, does Jack feature in it at all? I haven't got it (or any ME3 DLC) yet, and while more interaction with Garrus or Tali or Ashley etc. is cool and all, I'll only really be interested if they took the opportunity to include the characters who got sidelined in the main game.
Based on the trailer that was up yesterday, yes, Jack is in it. She even gets what she wants (if you recall what she said if you chose her as your romance option during the final mission) if the trailer is to be believed.
Well, now I'm conflicted. On the one hand it sounds like it's got what I want. On the other, I really don't want to be paying for DLC purely on the basis of a virtual booty-call, because... Yeah. Solution: Watch it on Youtube and call it a day.

Soviet Heavy said:
I think that Bioware needs to remember not to put musicals into their games.

They try to make it so heartfelt and it just comes off as hilarious.
"It worked for Mordin, I'm sure it'll work for Tali too!" -Bioware logic
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
Boy, am I glad that I never romanced Tali. Are there more hilarious scenes like this one in the DLC or is it only Tali?
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
Boy, am I glad that I never romanced Tali. Are there more hilarious scenes like this one in the DLC or is it only Tali?
Most of them seem pretty good, but there are a few duds. Garrus's date if you're male shepard, Vega being a surfer dude bursting with heterosexual life partner tension...
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
I think that Bioware needs to remember not to put musicals into their games.

They try to make it so heartfelt and it just comes off as hilarious.
I was watching that thinking "This voice acting is really off, it sounds so scripted and forced, could it get any worse?"
The answer was yes. Yes it could. The words "subtle" and "subtext" clearly got ejected out on an escape pod at some point before this was written.

Besides, everyone knows this is how you do believable dancing and friendship in a moviescene:

 

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In the middle of it and I don't care how it turns out. Seeing Wrex in a tuxedo is worth the price alone. LOVING IT
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
Now, admittedly I haven't played Citadel yet (didn't realise it was out today), and I'm always kind of wary of using this sort of argument as it can come off as kind of a cop-out... but I think it's supposed to be that bad (read: incredibly corny).
 

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I posted this response in another topic but I'll paraphrase it.

It was campy as all hell and the humor was off the chart. It's as if Joss Whedon wrote it or something, every other line of dialogue in it is begging for a wink at the camera. I loved every second of it. It was fun, it was stupid, and it's still a better ending than... oh cock.

Anyway, A+! This is the "extended cut" fans truly deserve.
 

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Before I start, I would like to regale you with a tale from my past...bear with me, it's relevant (in my head, at least)

About ten years ago, The Lion King was released in IMAX theatres. Considering I got into TLK and it's associated fandom long after the cinemas stopped showing it and the video was out, I was looking forward to this very much. I assumed many of my fellow fans would feel the same way.

No.

Instead of enjoying it when they went or talking about how great it would / could be, all I saw was talk about there was a hair on one frame or that, at some point in the film you could quite clearly see that two frames were not properly interlaced!

Quite frankly, had this been a physical gathering rather than a forum then I would have gone crazy-eight bonkers with a hand-drill and a shotgun. I would have rammed someones head down the waste-disposal and set fire to anyone who objected. This is because, and you can call me crazy if you like, but I wanted to go and see the film because I loved it and wanted to enjoy it on the big-screen - the fact it was in IMAX format was a bonus. Thankfully, so did the people I went with (except one and I told him if he came anywhere near me I would drown him in his own mineral water) and it was great! Despite being straight, the rumblings through my seat generated by James' Earl Jones' basso voice did funny things to me and the whole thing was fantastic!

Spool forward ten years later and I find myself picking holes in Mass Effect 3's ending, along with many others, which makes me sound like a right old hypocrite!
However, when it came to The Citadel DLC, I took the same approach to it as I did TLK IMAX a decade ago. I knew from a Q&A that it would have no effect on the ending, which disappointed me but I'd rather be told outright rather than have my hopes dashed later on. Also, as mis-placed as it can be sometimes, I kinda like distrsactions in games like Mass Effect and Fallout - the chance to kick back and recharge the old batteries now and again. That said, I would also like to point out that there are several of these moments in the vanilla game and they are excellent on their own; shooting bottles with Garrus, having lunch with Kaiden and so on. Sure it seems daft to take shore leave during a war but the same could be said about Pinnacle Station - was chasing a high-score really wise when you were chasing Saren? Probably not but I haven't heard much dissent over it...

Anyway - Citadel, here we go!

When it comes to dialogue, Mass Effect has largely been excellent and this DLC was no different. From Wrex and his many wise maxims to EDI making Traynor squirm (which was worth the cost of the DLC on it's own for me! Then again, thanks to some leftover BW-points, I only had to pay £3 for it), it was some of the richest and funniest I've heard in a long time! There are just too many stand-out lines for me to list although "tonight's entertainment will be brought to you by random acts of gratuitous violence...I love showbusiness!" would rank very highly on that list, could I be arsed to write it down.

As for the plot, didn't they do the whole "clone with an inferiority complex" thing in Metal Gear Solid? I'm not quite sure I buy that Cerberus would make an entire living, breathing clone for the sake of "spares". As has already been established, cloned organs and such are available but I concede that a hand in a jar giving me the finger would have made for a pretty lame baddy!

That said, ignoring the fact that it's not exactly an original idea, it still threw me and builds on the little doubts over Shepard here and there. Lines such as "I'm pretty sure you're not a clone", "That could be anyone wearing your face!" and "Maybe I'm just an advanced VI that thinks it's me..." (granted that last one comes after the DLC) spring to mind here. While some have derided the use of a clone as "cheap", I prefer to think of it as a pretty good way of highlighting what this DLC is ultimately all about - character. The clone might have my things going for him but what he ultimately lacks are people who will stand by him and they do so because of his deeds and actions that earned their trust and respect. You cannot clone that, which is why The Illusive Man didn't go with the clone. When Shepard accused the clone of being a worse would-be Shepard than Conrad Verner, it was more than a mere insult. You can look and talk like Shepard, but you will never be Shepard.

Brooks was was an odd addition and I swear that if she moaned one more time about being shot then I would bloody well shoot her again. However the fact that BioWare remembered that annoying characters elicit emotional responses too and that they are needed as a counterpoint to the likeable ones shows they're not done yet. I worked out very quickly she was the traitor pretty quickly though - call it a hunch...

Once the business with the clone was done with (I booted him off the Normandy, for the record) I had a quick look around The Strip and caught up with the gang. As I stated before, I kinda like doing stuff like this in games for some odd reason and in Mass Effect, it felt good because I actually gave a crap about most of the characters, as opposed to other game franchises. I will concede that, were this part of the DLC post-ending, it would have been a lot more awesome but, as I stated before, I went into this DLC hoping to enjoy it on it's own merits. Which I did!

Citadel was touted as a "goodbye" to the characters we know and love, which is why I agree it would have worked better as a post-ending DLC. Doing it this way kinda breaks the fourth wall in many places, even if the characters never actually speak to the "camera" or make reference to the fact they are in a video game. It felt more like a wrap-party than a last knees-up before facing the final battle, which is a shame because the latter actually works for me. Rather than a series of bleak exchanges (kinda like the ones you get in London), they all decide to go out with a bang - remember what they are fighting to protect and why it's worth it. It formed new bonds and cemented ones that were already strong.

Judging by some of the comments, I think I missed out on a few key exchanges (Mordin's message) and, by inviting everyone at once, dropped a bit of a bollock! Oh well, I'll just have to remember not to do that, next time! It also struck me that some people were somewhat miffed by the fact there was funny dialogue. Correct me if I am wrong but hasn't Mass Effect has had funny lines throughout the series? Too much of a good thing, perhaps?

Summing up - Despite the rather compelling arguments to the contrary, I thought that The Citadel DLC was pretty enjoyable. It was hilariously funny in places, all due credit to the writers on the dialogue front, and even though it was mostly fan-service, I don' think that's a bad thing - not in this case at least. BioWare was never going to give us the sendoffs we think the characters we know and love deserved but this is the next best thing and, in all honesty and iffy timing aside, it was a darn sight better than what I was expecting!

Oh and the apartment - It's a farkin' SWEET pad! Not sure how Anderson ever managed to afford it - maybe being a councillor pays better than being an Admiral!

TL;DR - While I can see why some people would say it sucked, I don't think it did.

Quite the opposite in fact, it was excellent!

If anyone thinks I am a blind, arse-kissing, BioDrone fanboy for this, the queue to kiss my arse starts over there...
 

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It was the best DLC I've ever played in the history of ever I was squee-ing through like the whole thing.
 

TheCommanders

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Varrdy said:
Brooks was was an odd addition and I swear that if she moaned one more time about being shot then I would bloody well shoot her again. However the fact that BioWare remembered that annoying characters elicit emotional responses too and that they are needed as a counterpoint to the likeable ones shows they're not done yet. I worked out very quickly she was the traitor pretty quickly though - call it a hunch...
Heh, my roomate can confirm this is true. The second she ran up and told me some people were trying to kill me, I instantly said out loud, "and you're one of them... aren't you." I think years of studying film and literature have made me immune to being surprised by betrayal. I did think it was hilarious how they essentially tried to disguise her as Merrill from Dragon Age 2 though. Amazing.
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
I think that Bioware needs to remember not to put musicals into their games.

They try to make it so heartfelt and it just comes off as hilarious.
I know right? They might as well have just done a scene straight out of H.M.S. Pinafore or somethin- OH WAIT.

 

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Maxtro said:
Can my Femshep have a threesome with Garrus and Liara?
No, but she can have sex with Javik.


OT: Absolutely loved the dlc. All the jokes hit their mark, the tone was ridiculous so as to not take the plot too seriously without descending into parody and the character interactions were the best in the entire franchise.

EDIT: To the people who didn't like Tali's singing, well... it is supposed to be terrible. She is essentially characterized as a dork and a hopeless romantic. She isn't supposed to sound good, it is supposed to come out like a night at karaoke, horribly off key but from the heart.