Poll: The Empire from Star Wars vs The Imperium of Man from Warhammer 40.000, which would win?

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Housebroken Lunatic

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Okay, so the premise is that our galaxy in the 41st millenium has somehow come into contact with that special galaxy "far far away" where Emperor Palapatine rules with an iron fist.

Of course a sham Empire like that is something that the Imperium of Man will not suffer to exist, so war is inevitable. Which side do you think will win?

It's Emperor Class Battleships against Imperial Star Destroyers, Adeptus Astartes (Space Marines) against Sith, Imperial Guard vs. the clone storm trooper army and the Adeptus Mechanicus against droid armies. In other words: all out mayhem. Which one will be victorious after this apocalyptic battle for supremacy?
 

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Zannah said:
Executor-Class Ships aren't battle stations though, and still large enough (As are Sunhammers and Darksabers, both technically ships and both capable of firepower on death star level).
Well when it comes to firepower I still doubt their ability and the sufficiency of their numbers. Destroying planets might be one thing, but does it give you a tactical advantage in combat against other ships? Planets aren't particularly manoevrable after all, but ships are.

Zannah said:
Besides, the Exterminatus is (to my knowledge) the worst weapon available to the imperium of men. On the other hand, the firepower to burn through a planets crust, extinguishing all organic life in the process is something even the relatively small Imperial-Class star destroyers can do. (they still deserve their name after all).
Well, not really the "worst". But more like the "most infamous". It's a sort of last resort, scorched earth tactic that they employ when they consider a world to be "lost" to heresy or some alien influence. Inquisitor Kryptmann also employed this strategy heavily against the Tyranids in order to deprive them of potential sources of bio-organic material for them to use to sustain their hive fleets.

But ships most definetly use more heavy hitting weapons. It's just that they are more intended to be used against local targets employing void shields (which demand a lot of energy to penetrate).

Also Exterminatus is something even the smaller ships (frigates) can achieve, depending on what methods they employ (virus bombs or cyclonic torpedoes).

As torpedoes go, there is also a kind which can shatter the planet (much in the way that the strike from a Death Star does) which burrows into the planetary core and detonate at the core. (these are used against planets that lack a sufficient atmosphere to burn)

Zannah said:
While the fight might be pretty onesided infantry wise, since there's more Space Marines then there's Sith, and there's probably more Guardsmen then there is Stormtroopers (though the latter are easier to make), with the Imperium of men having forgotten most of it's tech thousands of years ago, the Galactic Empire definately wins when it comes to toys (and uniforms) - and would win in the long run, through superior ressources and maneuverability.
I wouldn't judge the tech to quickly. Sure most drones of the Adeptus Mechanicus don't know much about how technology actually works, the Magii certainly does (even if the greedy bastards keep it a secret to make themselves indispensable), but the technology that they do frequently employ is pretty impressive stuff. When it comes to shielding it is equal to or even superior sometimes than the ones in Star Wars and as for weaponry... Well, let's just say that the Imperium of Man is pretty fond of the addage "if something is worth doing, it's worth OVERDOING!" :p (or as the Imperial verion goes: "If something is worth doing, it's worth dying for" XD)

I mean, just take a look at the pictures posted. You can't barely even see the weaponry of your average Star Destroyer, yet you can definetly make out some pretty huge macro-cannons, lance weapons, nova cannons and other nasty things even from a great distance.

Also, in regards to lightsabres that only the jedi and sith seem to use, almost every imperial officer carries an equivalent of it (the power sword, which basically does the same damage). And when it comes to counteract "The Force" there are Primaris Psykers and Space Marine Librarians (as well as the occasional daemonhost that some radical Inquisitors might use). Personal forcefield generators are also heavily employed by important figures in the Imperium of Man (Space Marine Terminators all have them).

The part about maneuverability is interesting though, because it depends largely on where the factions fight. I mean, in the Galaxy of the Imperium of Man, ships travel through the warp (which is unstable to say the least) and that would probably serve as a nasty surprise for Star Wars vessels. ("What? Daemon creatures attacking our hull and possessing our crew!? Are you shitting me?! :O)

But the same thing doesn't seem to happen in that galaxy "far far away", so the warfleets of the Imperium of Man wouldn't face the same problems that they usually have to deal with with warp storms and spacetime related freak accidents and the like, ultimately making their warfleets more manuevrable than before.

As for the uniforms, I have to disagree. The uniforms and battlegear worn by the stormtroopers of emperor palapatine just doesn't have enough skulls and aquilas on them. :p

Zannah said:
Sorry for the slight derail, but the fangirl inside me needed to get that out :p (though realisticly, with both empires being staffed entirely by xenophobic nutcases, chances are they'll find common ground)
That is a very real possibility. I'd expect some political fallout since one side doesn't take to kind to the other not bowing down to their ultimate dictator, but since there are so many aliens to exterminate they could find some civilized middleground. :p
 

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Well, because someone is gonna say it eventually....
FOR TEH EMPERAH! AND HIS SPESS MEHRENS!!!

Really though, not a fair contest, a few planet wide nukes and a Black Templar crusade would have done with the Empire and its adorable little clone troops.
Remember the Ewoks?

Oh, and the Angry Marines. They dont mess around;
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/105/4/9/angry_marine_launcher_by_marshall_Tharidus.jpg
 
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Definitely the 40k Imperium... they have billions of soldiers with las rifles and Space Marines could just come in and burn everything to ash.
 

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Maybe I should paint all my guardsmen in white armor, paint my psycher in black, and my commissar in brown, as a tribute to the empire.

Actually, the empire is more xenophobic than the imperium. The magic words are the abhumans.
 

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Imperium, who count the losses of planets instead of men because not even they know how many billions upon billions of soldiers, tanks and titans thay have....
Or a Captain Planet Baddy with soldiers being defeated by hobbits who have crossbreeded with rats.

Huh.

Yeah, Palpatine is screwed.
 

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GamesB2 said:
Definitely the 40k Imperium... they have billions of soldiers with las rifles and Space Marines could just come in and burn everything to dust.
'Nuff said.

That and you don't really know much about the Empire's capabilities from the films other than the fact that they are ummm...an empire.

However in the Imperium's case look at any part of 40k and you know they are fucking massive and have Space Marines.
 

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ChupathingyX said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKHsj5y8UL8

The Imperium wins.
I wonder how much work it took to get that bloodthirster down enough to do that. I'll give you a hint, then answer is a lot.
 

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vxicepickxv said:
ChupathingyX said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKHsj5y8UL8

The Imperium wins.
I wonder how much work it took to get that bloodthirster down enough to do that. I'll give you a hint, then answer is a lot.
I know it was a joke, sheeesh.

Plus the imperium are more hardened than the Empire, they have to put up with shit all the time. They have an ancienty race that's dying off who would be willing to let millions of people die if it mean't a couple of their own survive, they have crazy green space orcs who's numbers never end and fight for fun, alien dinosaurs from another galaxy and robotic zombies, just to name a few.

The Empire's soldiers on the other hand got beaten by a bunch of animated teddy bears.
 

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Some more support to the Imperium's cause:


(seriously, I can't wait for that game. It's all the things that I wanted Gears of war to be.)
 

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Have you ever seen imperial stormtroopers in battle? They fight as if their commanders are mewling infants without the faintest clue as to how one conducts basic tactical and strategic manoeuvres.

They run, through the open, wearing armour which doesn't even protect them from flint axes, with rifles which can barely squeeze of more than shot a minute. If it wasn't for the jedi then a WW1 army could defeat them without too much difficulty. I would hate to imagine how they would suffer in close quarter combat against a terminator, or take on a leman russ with only limited anti-tank weaponry.

The Imperium's armies would outnumber and outgun anything the Empire could throw at them, while the stormtroopers are under-trained, under equipped and under-supported. The Imperium does not lack in these respects. Crushing victory to the Imperium i say.

(One thing i would give the Star Wars side is their space ships, but then again the Imperium's navy isn't to be sniffed at either- however, my knowledge of the latter here is limited and so is my ability to comment)
 

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Reveras said:
On a side note, this is one hell of a movie (bought it and watched it):
Any good? was worried they might make it too 'cartoony' to be a proper SM movie.

OT the video makes a brilliant point, the imperium has machine guns that fire mini rockets that blow up up from the inside. if storm trooper armour can't handle spears and arrows what hope do they have against that?
 

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Reveras said:
On a side note, this is one hell of a movie (bought it and watched it): -Ultramarines snip-
Very much agreed. Room for improvement in the GFX department (shame about the limited funding), but otherwise... moar pleeze.

Housebroken Lunatic said:
Some more support to the Imperium's cause:

-W40k: Space Marine snip-

(seriously, I can't wait for that game. It's all the things that I wanted Gears of war to be.)
... Must... have... NAO!!! *drools*
Geez, when the heck are they gonna give us a release date?!

OT:
The Imperium would rock the socks off anything the Empire could possibly throw at them.

Even small void fleets of the Imperium could utterly crush the ambush from Episode 6; after all, nothing says "Don't fuck with me" like a flying fortress that covers each and every possible vector with about 100 barrels of doom.

When it comes to ground combat... come on. From what I've seen, the Empire's standard regiment strength is pathetic. I don't much care for the Imperial Guard, but many of them do fight like fanatics (especially when accompanied by a competent commissar), while stormtroopers give the impression of overpaid mall cops. And even if they were to field Sith... one or two battle psykers or a Librarian would dispose of that problem in no time. Heavily armored battle droids? Meet the Imperium's tank batallions and the Astartes dreadnoughts and terminator squads.

You know why it says "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away..." in the beginning of anything related to Star Wars? Because the Imperium already annexed that territory. :p