Poll: What do you think of the Pope?
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And no one sells everything to minister to the poor. Maybe 1 out of every 10 million people who describe themselves as christian (any denomination) would do this. My point is that it's hadly a criticism one Christian could level towards another. A second point: it's hardly a strong criticism for a non-christian to level at Christianity in general, since it seems like we'll all just shrug it off and say, "Well, Maybe what Jesus really meant was you had to tithe..."AndyFromMonday said:
I love that you went through and put [sic] in the response, a typo and a UK spelling, yeah they really undermine my points.Uszi said:
You've missed the point entirely here. You've attempted use a technique whereby the content of an argument is applied to a different set of facts to expose the flaws. You have failed because the content you have used is entirely different.
This is a topic about views on the pope. Those are my views on the pope. I have explained them, you've gone of on a tangent about mexicans, hypocritically contributing nothing to the discussion. If its Catholic baiting to mock the pope.... well quite frankly I don't care. Be offended, or even better pray that god will strike me down.
On a side note:
"Just because you have some explanation, doesn't mean you have a good one."
Pretty much sums up my views on the bible.
Think if this post survives for a few thousand years people will start worshipping it?
And they already do this. Without needing to sell everything. Minus the condoms, of course.Skeleon said:
I suppose I could look up the math before I talk out of my ass, but I'm sure the Church collects many times more money per year from the congregation than they would get from selling everything the church owns. Therefore, they can donate more and do more good in the long run by holding their "cold stone-halls," especially if draws people in with their wallets.
You seem to have commended someone for bringing balance to a one sided argument while siding with the majority. This appears to be a little hypocritical.Uszi said:
If you believe I am being insincere, read my previous posts on this thread.
since he is against condoms they can't possibly help right? everyone knows that god is the cause of aids and having sex dose'nt have anything to do with it......though this means that god is a giant douchebag.Assassinator said:
His stance on condoms and aids in Africa makes me greatly dislike the man. His greater acceptance of science makes me like him a little.
Overall I think of him as the overbearing head of an ancient, bloated and outdated institution.
Overall I think of him as the overbearing head of an ancient, bloated and outdated institution.
That's what the bible says. Who are we to question the mighty and all knowing Jesus:Trilby said:
Matthew 19:21 - 24: "If you want to be perfect, go, sell all your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me"
Luke 14:33 "Any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple"
Like: 12:33 "Sell all your possessions and give to the poor"
I'm not with the majority of people who argue more deep seeded issues with the papacy. When I say, as a Catholic I don't like the pope, I mean, taken my agreement with the papacy for granted, I don't like the pope.Pi_Fighter said:
I don't like him on a personal basis. I thought PJP2 was my boy. Benedict is like a scary great uncle who sits in the corner at family reunions.
I would say the majority opinion against the pope in the thread was more inflammatory than my disagreement with the pope. I couldn't vote Yay; I don't like him. But I didn't vote Neigh because of some criticism of the papacy in general.
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Here we go. I voted along with this guy in the poll:
But I do not share this view at all.PedroSteckecilo said:
Opinions are usually more complicated than just yes or no anyway.
To be fair, all of those passages are taken right out of context.AndyFromMonday said:
But the Bible is clear that Christians are to be the first to be offering aid, help, and assistance to all who need it. Unfortunately, that massive part of the message of Christ isn't as often reflected upon as I'd like.
Heck, just have the church re-read the book of James and get out there and help for Pete's sake!
To stay on topic, however, as a Christian I find the idea of the position of the pope unnecessary and un-Biblical. As a man, I disagree with some of his stances (the whole condoms in Africa thing for one, to jump on that band-wagon), but that's about it. I don't really wish him any ill will, just the removal of some non-soteriological tradition and positions that don't need, or deserve, any theological weight.
Church Law, right?Booze Zombie said:I don't know if anyone else will find this funny, but above that picture...Spyalt said:
I don't highly of him to be honest. I feel like he doesn't always think things through, such as saying gayness could be "cured" or reinstating the Bishop who said that Jews weren't gassed during the Holocaust. That really made him look bad and I don't think he thought about how cold and uncaring those statements would make him look. I also feel like he is too wrapped up in his religious dogma to really help with some problems in the real world. For example, not everyone in Africa is Christian/Catholic and going to following the abstinence path... So telling them "You can't resolve it with the distribution of condoms. On the contrary, it increases the problem," dooms them. If he really cared for the people, he would help saves lives with the promotion of condoms to all people, even those who aren't his followers. He isn't going to be able to modify the behavior of his non-followers with his teachings no matter how hard he's tried.
Im not saying I agree with it, but there is an argument for his condom commment. Think about it, readily available condoms means that it encourages people to have casual sex, and as the standard of condoms is much lower than in developed countries, I think about 40% of them break, then you have far more people catching AIDS because of the readily available condoms.
If, however, condoms were very difficult to get a hold of, then it is in all likelyhood that far less people would have casual sex, resulting in a lesser spread of AIDS. Also out of the number of people catching AIDS in Africa, it is only a minority that catch it through sexual intercourse. I think that is correct, I may be mistaken.
Again this is theoretical, im not saying it is fact.
If you're wondering how I know so much about condoms, it's because we have to caver AIDS in Africa for Modern Studies.
If, however, condoms were very difficult to get a hold of, then it is in all likelyhood that far less people would have casual sex, resulting in a lesser spread of AIDS. Also out of the number of people catching AIDS in Africa, it is only a minority that catch it through sexual intercourse. I think that is correct, I may be mistaken.
Again this is theoretical, im not saying it is fact.
If you're wondering how I know so much about condoms, it's because we have to caver AIDS in Africa for Modern Studies.
I always have a problem with every pope based on what you said right there.Voodoopigs said:
How can you go to a place like Africa (where the biggest problems are overpopulation and AIDS and tell them NOT to wear condoms. They can't get special dispensation or something like that; y'know, considering the circumstances?!
The latest pope has the added infamy of being an ex-Nazi which should be like an immigrant running for president of the USA: not allowed FYI.
