Poll: What if the new 52 version of Lobo is actually the right thing?

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For those who don't know DC hit reset on all franchises and every super hero got a new look, back story, and name (even a new sexuality). Some haven't been happy, some like it, but a real source of hate as of late is the redesign of an old DC icon, Lobo. To put Lobo into a term you guys can understand, he's basically every comic book from the 90's, the character. Not joking: terrible jokes, brutal violence, chain smoking cigars, etc. He was even created for the purpose of being a joke or parody off the Wolverine or Spawn stereotype. Lobo was created to be every flaw of the 90's wrapped up into this oddly lovable character. If you still don't have a clue, please enjoy the following video from Superman: The Animated Series.

See? The embodiment of all that is wrong with the 90's made right with this guy, The Main Man. He is the 90's, Lobo's personality traits and character description is probably going to have a %20 similarity between any character made or written at that time.

Now here's the new Lobo.


Yeah, pretty big change right? No muscle (not as much), no mullet, no cigar, no beef, and a face that oozes seriousness as if he is on the hunt to find the man who killed his race, or family, or girlfriend.

But think about this for a minute; if Lobo in the old 52 was the embodiment of everything wrong with comics in the 90's, than isn't the new 52 Lobo supposed to be everything wrong with popular media in the '00s to '10's? I mean think about, the stereotypical action hero of the 90's was a beefy, muscular, sometimes not serious, wise cracking, bad ass who put murder as a thing on his to do list.

The heroic archetype of today however (THIS IS AN OBSERVATION, not a fact that I can prove), from 2000-2010, is roughly an athletic male (good enough shape to run from bullets, but no enough to bench-press a truck), usually very sarcastic or wisecracking and if not that, very brooding and serious. If they are brooding they probably don't enjoy anyone's company, are loners, and are more skilled in a fight than tough in it. That is essentially (FROM MY OBSERVATION) the archetype for the hero of our era in comics if not movies or games. And this kind of heroic archetype has also grown in popularity thanks to not only video games but movies, modern tv shows, and hell maybe even manga and anime.

From this it can be argued that as the old 52 Lobo (The Main Man) was the embodiment of all that was wrong with comics in the 90's, than new 52 Lobo is the embodiment of all that is wrong with comics in the '00's to '10's. Just look back at his design, it's the generic version of whatever hero is popular at the time, it's meant to look like some Twilight reject or some trashed version of Dante from DmC because it's meant to be generic. He looks like every other anti-hero, because he is every anti-hero

Lobo's design at the time of his creation was generic compared to every other '90's hero at the time because he was meant to be like every other 90's hero, just that he's the bastard child of all the faults of the era. So if Lobo were to be rebooted to fit a new era, than wouldn't he not only look but act like everything wrong with the era of his conception? If that's right than the character Lobo goes beyond just some amalgam of '90's anti-heroism traits in comics and is something along the lines of a generational fault carrier. Every time Lobo is rewritten or updated, its so that he can embody what's wrong with media at the time.

So in other words, DC didn't redesign Lobo because they wanted to appeal to more people, they redesigned Lobo to embody what they think is wrong with the new erA of comics, even the new 52 itself.

TL;DR What if new Lobo is meant to embody everything wrong with comics today, not just spitting on the old character?
 

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There might be a good reason behind it all... but I dunno'... He seems like too much of a pretty boy to be honest.
 

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Genocidicles said:
There might be a good reason behind it all... but I dunno'... He seems like too much of a pretty boy to be honest.
But wouldn't that be the point though? Almost any hero nowadays looks less like a badass and more of a pretty boy, so wouldn't new Lobo be the embodiment of prey anti-heroes the world over?
 

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But the original Lobo was fun because the 90s exaggeration he was based off turned him into a fun parody that had his own charm and likeability.

No one like the emo sobbing prettyboy hero that spends all day moaning about how terrible his life is. That doesn't make for a fun parody character, especially when his image is played so straight and not satirized.

Also, just something I noticed, in his right hand, is that a gun suspended from a nunchuck handle by the gun barrel with a knife at the bottom of the gunhandle?!? How on earth are you supposed to use that thing?
 

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Hero in a half shell said:
Also, just something I noticed, in his right hand, is that a gun suspended from a nunchuck handle by the gun barrel with a knife at the bottom of the gunhandle?!? How on earth are you supposed to use that thing?
I'm going to go with 'no' there. Follow the handle's direction past his back. The handle belongs to a katana being held in a reverse grip. Given the other weapons 'floating' around him, I'm guessing the gun is just another part of the inventory view we're getting. Definitely looks like the curved blade is a part of the gun handle though...
 

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If the majority of people don't get the level of complexly the artist was going for... then maybe it's not really there and this explanation was pulled from someone's ass.

It only irks me a bit. Everyone else in the reboot got updated looks but are still noticeable. Lobo and Amanda Waller they just straight fucked up.
 

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Asita said:
Hero in a half shell said:
Also, just something I noticed, in his right hand, is that a gun suspended from a nunchuck handle by the gun barrel with a knife at the bottom of the gunhandle?!? How on earth are you supposed to use that thing?
I'm going to go with 'no' there. Follow the handle's direction past his back. The handle belongs to a katana being held in a reverse grip. Given the other weapons 'floating' around him, I'm guessing the gun is just another part of the inventory view we're getting. Definitely looks like the curved blade is a part of the gun handle though...
Ah yes, he's holding a sword and the gun's floating, it just happened to be drawn so close to him it looks like it's attached. I thought they might have been going for a parody of the bizzare Final Fantasy weapons by giving him a super impractical "cool" gun/sword/nunchuck crossover.

There you go.
 

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Shadowstar38 said:
Lobo and Amanda Waller they just straight fucked up.
I certainly agree there. Amanda Waller was a pretty unique character, and far from a stereotype, before the New 52. The redesign, making her just another ludicrously-toned action-hero type, is just awful.

They took a major step backwards on Waller.

I'm not actually acquainted with Lobo, though, so I'll withhold judgement on his redesign.
 

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I feel like the OP might be right on the money here with why they redesigned Lobo in the way they did, but I have to say, I'm still not particularly happy about it.

See, while them changing the character works with the concept for his character, the actual character change is so huge that he no longer resembles the character he was in any way (geez, how many times can I say "character" in a sentence?). With something like that I feel like they would have just been better off creating an entirely new character rather than completely retooling the existing one.

Hell, they could make a new character with the same alien race, and give him the exact same profession (bounty hunter), and show how the two of them operate differently in order to compare and contrast 90s cliches with 2000s cliches, and it would have worked just fine without having to completely get rid of hilariously over the top 90s Lobo. Or, they could even make this Lobo a clone of the original Lobo, since Lobo has the ability to grow clones of himself from a single drop of blood, and the character design change would even make sense in continuity with the time that Lobo got turned into a kid and joined Young Justice.
 

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I'm sorry but I think he kinda looks like an emo teen who couldn't lay a hand on Superman... but looks can deceiving.
 

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Your explanation, if it is what DC is going for, is still awful. There's no reason why you should replace Lobo when Lobo is/was still funny when taken out of the context of popular fiction from the 90's. If they wanted a character to embody all that makes current fiction blow balls then they should have just made a new character.
 

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Genocidicles said:
There might be a good reason behind it all... but I dunno'... He seems like too much of a pretty boy to be honest.
Looks a lot less fun to me. Oh well.
 

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Baron_BJ said:
Your explanation, if it is what DC is going for, is still awful. There's no reason why you should replace Lobo when Lobo is/was still funny when taken out of the context of popular fiction from the 90's. If they wanted a character to embody all that makes current fiction blow balls then they should have just made a new character.
Hey I'm not happy about it either, believe me. The first instance of Lobo I was exposed to was in the Superman cartoon and then later in JLU; the Lobo I know and love is walking irony of the Wolverine macho man stereotype. I'm just saying that this night be the most valid theory for the Lobo redesign, at least the one that makes the most sense (or the least insulting to fans). Besides there's still a possibility that new52 Lobo could be written off as a mutated clone or a modified clone of the original Lobo, comic books are filled with these kinds of loopholes. I'm just saying that this theory makes the most sense in term of the essence of the character. Besides, if the the new pretty-boy emo Lobo isn't funny in a like old Lobo he could at least be funny in an "this is every pretty-boy anti-hero ever written, and you know it so laugh at it," kind of way. I'm just grasping at the straws that doesn't make it look like DC is selling out.
 

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Hectix777 said:
I have no experience of comic book culture. I don't read comics.

But whoever designed this guy has been massively influenced by Dark Eldar in the Warhammer 40K lore. I mean, I took one look at him and thought I was looking at a Dark Eldar Warrior / Kabal.
 

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Hectix777 said:
TL;DR What if new Lobo is meant to embody everything wrong with comics today, not just spitting on the old character?
Good theory, but doesnt make this:



Any easier to swallow...
 

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My main problem is that Lobo is supposed to be this badass, indestructible bounty hunter. If The new Lobo has the same occupation, then he's at a huge disadvantage because he just doesn't look intimidating in the slightest. Classic Lobo looks like someone that you'd give a wide berth to when crossing the street, the new one not so much.
 

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Hectix777 said:
Baron_BJ said:
Your explanation, if it is what DC is going for, is still awful. There's no reason why you should replace Lobo when Lobo is/was still funny when taken out of the context of popular fiction from the 90's. If they wanted a character to embody all that makes current fiction blow balls then they should have just made a new character.
Hey I'm not happy about it either, believe me. The first instance of Lobo I was exposed to was in the Superman cartoon and then later in JLU; the Lobo I know and love is walking irony of the Wolverine macho man stereotype. I'm just saying that this night be the most valid theory for the Lobo redesign, at least the one that makes the most sense (or the least insulting to fans). Besides there's still a possibility that new52 Lobo could be written off as a mutated clone or a modified clone of the original Lobo, comic books are filled with these kinds of loopholes. I'm just saying that this theory makes the most sense in term of the essence of the character. Besides, if the the new pretty-boy emo Lobo isn't funny in a like old Lobo he could at least be funny in an "this is every pretty-boy anti-hero ever written, and you know it so laugh at it," kind of way. I'm just grasping at the straws that doesn't make it look like DC is selling out.
I wasn't attacking you personally, I'm just saying that even the best case scenario isn't a good scenario. King shit of turd mountain is still a piece of shit after all.
 

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Considering the absolute parade of idiotic decisions that DC has been making since the relaunch, not the least of which being the recent editorial decisions that have led to the best creative team they have leaving, I don't think that DC is in any way self aware enough to be poking fun at how inept they've been. We're seeing satire here, but DC seems to be more than willing to play this dead straight.
 

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Hero in a half shell said:
No one like the emo sobbing prettyboy hero that spends all day moaning about how terrible his life is. That doesn't make for a fun parody character, especially when his image is played so straight and not satirized.
This. Lobo was less the embodiment of the 90's and more of a parody of the 90s he was made up of why people moved the 90s villains and heroes.

New Lobo is just "Look here is a generic rip off of more modern heroes" he just isn't fun he has no real quirks or unique endearing quality is is just kind of average.

So could he be the embodiment of the post 2000 comics. Yes he could be very much so, but a rather pour one.