Poll: Which 40K game is the best?

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Iwata

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Being a long time Warhammer 40K fan, I've played through the entirety of the games (except those for portable consoles).

Space Hulk was pretty sweet. Not only did I get to play as the Blood Angels, but the claustrophobic setting and the fearsome opponents made for one intense game. I had it for my Sega Saturn, but regrettably, has been lost in the shadows of time.

Final Liberation was epic (no pun intended). The cutscenes, the huge battles, the freakin' TITANS! I still love that game to bits.

Chaos Gate was an excellent tactical, turn-based game. I feel like it never got the love it truly deserved. And the soundtrack was awesome.

Rites of War was decent. A Panzer General clone, it nonetheless provided some challenge with its insane difficulty. Plus, it was the first game that gave you a campaign as someone other than the Imperium, in this case, the Eldar.

Fire Warrior... ah, Fire Warrior... despite an excellent voice cast (Brian Blessed, Tom Baker, Sean Pertwee) the game itself was, in a word, crap. I gave this game two chances, once on the PC, then on the PS2, and it never fails to disapoint. A single Tau Fire Warrior slaughtering his way past Space Marines, Chaos Raptors, Valkyrie Gunships, Obliterators... umm... no. Suspension of disbelief is one thing, but this is taking it too far.

Dawn of War. This series is, to me, not just the best 40K games out there, but one of the best RTS series, period. The game plays, looks, and feels like it should. The gameplay is aggressive, the combat is brutal, and once a battle gets rolling, it's everything a 40K battle should be. True, Soulstorm kinda dropped the ball, but by then, the game had passed its prime anyway.

Dawn of War II was a disapointment. I remember when Company of Heroes came out, I told a friend that they should take the game engine and apply it to the original Dawn of War, but the sequel took the wrong direction. The huge battles were replaced with an "army" of around 10 marines and a Dreadnought, and although the story picked up a bit, the 40K feel that the first game nailed so perfectly was gone.

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oppp7

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Fire Warrior was the only of these I played, and it was alright.

For some reason I didn't notice the problem with a lone soldier killing shitloads of enemies, but then again, that was probably because it happens in every fucking game so I got used to it.

Also, never did beat it...
 

Pandalisk

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Im partial to Winter Assault

Ahhh, General Sturnn and the Cadian 412th, you Gods you.
 

Evilsanta

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I have only played the Dawn of War(Original) and i love it and i couldnt agree with you more. Nothing is as epic as teleporting in a Necron Lord and use Orb of resurection and get your army back...Why didnt they use DoWs 2 engine to make a new Dark Crusade?
 

Raikov

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Tabletop rules!!!

But otherwise, the original Dawn of War is one of the better at least...
 

L4hlborg

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I just bought the Dawn of war anthology, containing dawn of war, winter assault and dark crusade. I really liked the brutality of the combat and all the factions where interesting, but the fact that I got through the whole campaign by marching ahead with a bunch of dreadnoughts was a bit dissapointing. I can't get Winter assault to work, but I really want to try it out though.
 

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Iwata said:
The huge battles were replaced with an "army" of around 10 marines and a Dreadnought, and although the story picked up a bit, the 40K feel that the first game nailed so perfectly was gone.
On the other hand, this quite ably represents the fact that Space Marines are supposed to be triple hard motherfuckers who can annihilate whole armies by themselves.

DoW2 was the best of the games, and it's only going to get better in the next expansion with all factions playable in campaign.
 

Ruairi iliffe

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Used to love Space Hulk, both Tabletop and my old computer, Wish they'd do an updated one. Closest i got to something like it was the Hulk Missions in Chaos Rising, I miss my little Termies :(
 

Geo Da Sponge

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To be honest, out of the list I've only played Fire Warrior and Dawn of War. I have a certain nostalgia for Fire Warrior and I certainly don't think it's as bad as everyone says it is, but for me Dawn of War is clearly the better of the two.

Iwata said:
Fire Warrior... ah, Fire Warrior... despite an excellent voice cast (Brian Blessed, Tom Baker, Sean Pertwee) the game itself was, in a word, crap. I gave this game two chances, once on the PC, then on the PS2, and it never fails to disapoint. A single Tau Fire Warrior slaughtering his way past Space Marines, Chaos Raptors, Valkyrie Gunships, Obliterators... umm... no. Suspension of disbelief is one thing, but this is taking it too far.
In the novel it's explained that Kais is being manipulated by chaos daemons to be an absolute badass. I can't remember the reasoning behind it, but he succeeds because they want him to. In fact a lot of stuff from the book is left out for no appreciable reason (for example, at the end of the Fire Warrior novel Kais has lost a couple of limbs and is in a coma).

PS. You forgot Peter Serafinowicz, who was Captian Ardias' voice actor. He previously voiced Darth Maul.
 

Kiefer13

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Dawn of War (the original plus expansions), is by far the best 40k game in existence.


Though, Final Liberation was awesome just for the cheese factor.


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Vilcus

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Dawn of War (Original Series) is amazing. I love the campaign because it can be endless if you want it to be. Playing through on hard is insane, because the enemy actually puts up a fight, and can reclaim provinces from you.
 

Gildan Bladeborn

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Iwata said:
Fire Warrior... ah, Fire Warrior... despite an excellent voice cast (Brian Blessed, Tom Baker, Sean Pertwee) the game itself was, in a word, crap. I gave this game two chances, once on the PC, then on the PS2, and it never fails to disapoint. A single Tau Fire Warrior slaughtering his way past Space Marines, Chaos Raptors, Valkyrie Gunships, Obliterators... umm... no. Suspension of disbelief is one thing, but this is taking it too far.
Oh man, don't ever read the novel! I made the mistake of thinking that it couldn't be too awful, as the author behind Lord of the Night (Simon Spurrier) had written it, and LotN was bloody excellent.

Oh how wrong I was - imagine somebody had been standing over your shoulder as you were playing Fire Warrior. Now imagine they sat down and typed out, nearly word for word, exactly what you were doing in game while they watched, video game logic and all. I'm talking tri-part key sequences, weapon swapping, multi-stage boss fights with obvious "shoot the power source he's drawing from!" weak spots, watching events happen through impervious glass, always being alone with somebody's voice in your ear, the works. And all the while the main character is working me into a frothing rage by virtue of his sheer impossibility - I honestly think I ruptured a few blood vessels from how angry I got over Kais's continued existence (he should have been a cyan smear in the first chapter alone).

And the absolute worst part is that the bits where Kais isn't breaking the bloody fourth wall simply by existing? Those were actually good, grah! Fire Warrior may not be the worst book I've ever read, but it's absolutely the worst Warhammer 40,000 book and it's most definitely the novel that wins hands down the "Makes Gildan want to start punching his fists through drywall whenever he even thinks about it" award.

[small]So please for your own sanity do not dig up a copy out of curiosity. Some things are better left unknown.[/small]
 

Iwata

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Gildan Bladeborn said:
Iwata said:
Fire Warrior... ah, Fire Warrior... despite an excellent voice cast (Brian Blessed, Tom Baker, Sean Pertwee) the game itself was, in a word, crap. I gave this game two chances, once on the PC, then on the PS2, and it never fails to disapoint. A single Tau Fire Warrior slaughtering his way past Space Marines, Chaos Raptors, Valkyrie Gunships, Obliterators... umm... no. Suspension of disbelief is one thing, but this is taking it too far.
Oh man, don't ever read the novel! I made the mistake of thinking that it couldn't be too awful, as the author behind Lord of the Night (Simon Spurrier) had written it, and LotN was bloody excellent.

Oh how wrong I was - imagine somebody had been standing over your shoulder as you were playing Fire Warrior. Now imagine they sat down and typed out, nearly word for word, exactly what you were doing in game while they watched, video game logic and all. I'm talking tri-part key sequences, weapon swapping, multi-stage boss fights with obvious "shoot the power source he's drawing from!" weak spots, watching events happen through impervious glass, always being alone with somebody's voice in your ear, the works. And all the while the main character is working me into a frothing rage by virtue of his sheer impossibility - I honestly think I ruptured a few blood vessels from how angry I got over Kais's continued existence (he should have been a cyan smear in the first chapter alone).

And the absolute worst part is that the bits where Kais isn't breaking the bloody fourth wall simply by existing? Those were actually good, grah! Fire Warrior may not be the worst book I've ever read, but it's absolutely the worst Warhammer 40,000 book and it's most definitely the novel that wins hands down the "Makes Gildan want to start punching his fists through drywall whenever he even thinks about it" award.

[small]So please for your own sanity do not dig up a copy out of curiosity. Some things are better left unknown.[/small]
"Space Hulk", the novel, falls flat for the same reason. Except instead of a videogame, it pretty much narrates a tabletop game of Space Hulk. Marines go into space hulk. Marines open doors. Spooky. They see blips in scanner. Blips are Genestealers. Shoot shoot stab stab die. Ok...
 

Gildan Bladeborn

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Iwata said:
"Space Hulk", the novel, falls flat for the same reason. Except instead of a videogame, it pretty much narrates a tabletop game of Space Hulk. Marines go into space hulk. Marines open doors. Spooky. They see blips in scanner. Blips are Genestealers. Shoot shoot stab stab die. Ok...
No see, I've read that one, and while I'm hardly going to sing the praises of a novella that only exists because it's a direct tie-in to the new Space Hulk game release, it was at least internally consistent with the 40K universe - sure, it can't be particularly surprising given the entire premise, but space marines fighting genestealers in a space hulk is something that space marines actually do, and Gav Thorpe managed to describe those sequences in a vaguely interesting way if nothing else.

Trust me when I say that, compared to Fire Warrior, Space Hulk: The Novel is ridiculously good.