Poll: Which would you rather have?

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darkfire613

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First, apologies if this belongs in Religion and Politics, I was undecided.

My friend and I were having a debate today, about which society we would rather live in. The two sides are listed below.

Option 1

This was my friend's side. He argued that, in order to combat overpopulation and dwindling resources, a drastic reorganization of human society was needed. He said that all humans should be judged on their overall worth to society, based on strength, intelligence, etc. and that those who fell in the bottom 10-25% should be killed. In addition, the top 5% would form a collective governing body, ruling basically as a dictatorship. Those left in the middle class, not so low as to be killed but not in the ruling order, would operate on a mostly communist organization. Everyone must work to benefit everyone. He also said that ingenuity and creativity would be rewarded. However, if an inventor became rich off an invention and then failed to contribute more, they would have their riches seized, and under threat of death be forced to continue to work. He said that this method was necessary to ensure the continued survival of the human race, as if we didn't do something to get rid of the useless, soon government would dissolve as the world fell into anarchy because of a large population fighting over a small amount of resources. He also said that this method should be implanted soon, because it may be too late otherwise.

Option 2

I said I would rather die than live in such a society. I said that it was no one's place to judge what made one person's life worth more than another's, and that his system was just inhuman. My view is that if it's going to come to anarchy, so be it. I would rather have anarchy than dictatorship. I also said that I was entitled to my own riches, whether or not I continued to innovate. A person deserves to have their work rewarded without fear of having that reward taken away. I also pointed out that this would stifle innovation, as people would feel forced to continue to produce more so they don't lose everything.

tl;dr

In summary, he argues for harsh, strict government control to ensure survival, while I argue for looser control and freedom, even in the face of anarchy, pain, and death.

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How about you? Which side would you go with? Would you rather live in a society where the government decides who is worthless, and those people are killed? Or would you rather live in anarchy, but still have your freedoms?
 

Crazy_Dude

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While option 1 might be the most effecient way to overcome things. I think its is inhumane we are all humans here after all? Not some high tech robot society.
 

darkfire613

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Crazy_Dude said:
While option 1 might be the most effecient way to overcome things. I think its is inhumane we are all humans here after all? Not some high tech robot society.
That's why my friend is arguing for it. He wants a society based on logic and reason, and I want a society based on humanity.
 

voetballeeuw

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Easily support option 2. Anyways, the first option places all the power in what is now the wealthy class (right?) The ruling class would just become ultra corrupt, while everyone else lives in the gutter. Systems like the first have never worked anyways.
 

voetballeeuw

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darkfire613 said:
Crazy_Dude said:
While option 1 might be the most effecient way to overcome things. I think its is inhumane we are all humans here after all? Not some high tech robot society.
That's why my friend is arguing for it. He wants a society based on logic and reason, and I want a society based on humanity.
I don't think it's very reasonable to kill off 1/4 of the population.
 

darkfire613

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voetballeeuw said:
darkfire613 said:
Crazy_Dude said:
While option 1 might be the most effecient way to overcome things. I think its is inhumane we are all humans here after all? Not some high tech robot society.
That's why my friend is arguing for it. He wants a society based on logic and reason, and I want a society based on humanity.
I don't think it's very reasonable to kill off 1/4 of the population.
His reasoning for that is that they make the society less efficient. He's basically viewing humans as machines, and I argued that he was removing the humanity from society, his response was that humanity could "be added in later."
 

Otherworld_Odd

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I wouldn't rather *die* than live in a society like that, but I definitely argue against it. Society will never come to that, there would be too many people against it. Even people among the top 5% would realize it's wrong, if they're really that wise and intelligent.


But if you think about it, if it comes down to anarchy, the strong and smart are going to be the survivors anyways. It's really a hypothetical decision that doesn't have much to base off of.
 

The_Graff

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tell me OP, does option1 guy think that he may fall in to this top elite by any chance.
 

AssassinJoe

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Of the two choices, anarchy sounds more preferable.

Besides, his choice doesn't sound like it would completely stop overpopulation as it would just slow it down.

Plus it sounds like the Nazi's agenda and would rather burn forever in hell than live in a society that in anyway resembles nazi society.
 

Xyliss

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Option 1 works quite well in theory...but in practice it is far too inhumane...and not practical at all. And as far as I can tell not many people would want to live in a world like that.
 

badgersprite

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The_Graff said:
tell me OP, does option1 guy think that he may fall in to this top elite by any chance.
Everyone who supports Eugenics always believes that they would be one of the ones spared. Arrogance is the very root of that idea.
 

Wadders

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I would organise an underground resistance to option A, and we would rise up, in the ensuing war many millions would be killed solving the overpopulation problem, and things would then be restored to they way they were, but with less people. :D

Oooor, I would die.

So yeah, I'd prefer not to die but then I wouldnt really like to be a part of option A, being relatively average at most things.
 

HT_Black

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What, are you kidding? Anarchy, horror, and despair are what put me to sleep at night. Your friend's idea is, to put it simply, horrid beyond compare.
 

darkfire613

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The_Graff said:
tell me OP, does option1 guy think that he may fall in to this top elite by any chance.
He most certainly does. He really is a greedy, selfish, egotistical person, and he's proud of it.
 

C95J

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darkfire613 said:
The worlds population will control itself and eventually go down as I have previously said in the "how will the world deal with overpopulation" thread a couple of days ago. So I pick option 2.

Your friend is completely wrong :p just ask if you want some good arguing points against your friends ideas :)
 

GraegoriHauss

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The world can have Option 1, but not in my lifetime. When I'm dead and gone though, be my fuckin' guest.

People are so fucking stupid nowadays, they need to be told what to think. Problem is, they listen to all the wrong people.