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Dimensional Vortex

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Hello Escapies or Escapists or Escaponites!

I have been meaning to ask this question for quite some time, well basically ever since I finished reading about the Milgram Experiment...

Okay I will give a brief explanation of the Milgram Experiment. The Milgram experiment was devised by Stanley Milgram a psychologist at Yale University in 1961.

The subject was given the title teacher, and the confederate, learner. The participants drew slips of paper to 'determine' their roles. Unknown to them, both slips said "teacher", and the actor claimed to have the slip that read "learner", thus guaranteeing that the participant would always be the "teacher". At this point, the "teacher" and "learner" were separated into different rooms where they could communicate but not see each other. In one version of the experiment, the confederate was sure to mention to the participant that he had a heart condition.[1]
The "teacher" was given an electric shock from the electro-shock generator as a sample of the shock that the "learner" would supposedly receive during the experiment. The "teacher" was then given a list of word pairs which he was to teach the learner. The teacher began by reading the list of word pairs to the learner. The teacher would then read the first word of each pair and read four possible answers. The learner would press a button to indicate his response. If the answer was incorrect, the teacher would administer a shock to the learner, with the voltage increasing in 15-volt increments for each wrong answer. If correct, the teacher would read the next word pair.[1]
The subjects believed that for each wrong answer, the learner was receiving actual shocks. In reality, there were no shocks. After the confederate was separated from the subject, the confederate set up a tape recorder integrated with the electro-shock generator, which played pre-recorded sounds for each shock level. After a number of voltage level increases, the actor started to bang on the wall that separated him from the subject. After several times banging on the wall and complaining about his heart condition, all responses by the learner would cease.[1]
At this point, many people indicated their desire to stop the experiment and check on the learner. Some test subjects paused at 135 volts and began to question the purpose of the experiment. Most continued after being assured that they would not be held responsible. A few subjects began to laugh nervously or exhibit other signs of extreme stress once they heard the screams of pain coming from the learner.[1]
If at any time the subject indicated his desire to halt the experiment, he was given a succession of verbal prods by the experimenter, in this order:[1]
Please continue.
The experiment requires that you continue.
It is absolutely essential that you continue.
You have no other choice, you must go on.
If the subject still wished to stop after all four successive verbal prods, the experiment was halted. Otherwise, it was halted after the subject had given the maximum 450-volt shock three times in succession.

Too Long To Read Version: Your in a room with two other people, one is a psychologist sitting in a corner. The other is a nice man who you talk to for a while, this nice man mentions he has a heart problem. The nice man than gives you a small shock through a machine too demonstrate the feeling the nice man would receive later, when you administer it. Now the nice man is sent out of the room and into another room directly in front of yours, you know he is wired up to a machine that you are using, although you cannot see him. The psychologist gestures for you to proceed, so you stat reading out certain word pairs that you are made to read and you also read out 4 possible answers. If the nice man gets an answer wrong you are told to shock him with the machine, now it is wise to note that each shock goes up by 15 volts.

A while later the machine is starting to produce dangerous electrical shocks, shocks with over 400 volts. Now you can hear the nice man screaming and banging his head against the wall, you can hear him crying and begging for mercy, you can hear him wailing the he has a heart problem and he begs you to stop. As you are on the verge of leaving the psychologist tells you too keep going, that it won't be your fault if the man dies, although you don't want to because it is fatally dangerous to the man in the other room, so do you keep going or do you demand to leave?

Unknown to you the nice man in the other room was an actor, he was never being shocked although you thought he was.

Basically here is the question: Would you keep going for science, because the psychologist told you too or for your own reasons? Or would you demand to leave, that this is inhumane, that it is terrible?

Please give me some serious answers, and to anyone willing to wright a detailed comment on exactly how you would react under the circumstances, thank you. This will be quite helpful for me.

PS: This is the wikipage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

EDIT: Before I get another post about it. I know the experiment is about how people respond to authority so don't point it out again, thank you.
 

Matt_LRR

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I'm going to make a prediction.

The majority of the people in this thread are going to say "no way, I'd totally stop!"

The majority of those people will be wrong.

-m
 

mad825

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I wouldn't...unless it was financially rewarding or some other similar incentive (personal gain).

first of all I'll know that the shocks will kill the man. I'm not stupid nor do I give in to peer pressure.
 

SimuLord

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I'm a sadistic bastard. Like, "women tend to cry the safeword long before I've reached my limits" sadistic.

Next question.
 

Matt_LRR

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mad825 said:
I wouldn't...unless it was financially rewarding or some other similar incentive.

first of all I'll know that the shocks will kill the man. I'm not stupid nor do I give in to peer pressure.
The point of this experiment was submission to authority. The person directing you is not a peer.

-m
 

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Matt_LRR said:
The point of this experiment was submission to authority. The person directing you is not a peer.

-m
eh, it's still a human.
 

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I've tossed this round a lot in my head, and after reading the posts... I still can't think of a situation where I could continue to administer the shocks after all that screaming. Something about the noise just gets to me. Whether the man said 'please continue' or 'you have no choice', after a certain amount of screaming and begging I would definitely reach my breaking point. It just gets to me.

Ugh, thanks for the shivers >.<
 

Raikov

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I'd probably panic, then continue while sobbing in a corner.

Hey, at least I'm honest....
 

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Dimensional Vortex said:
Too Long To Read Version: Your in a room with two other people, one is a psychologist sitting in a corner. The other is a nice man who you talk to for a while, this nice man mentions he has a heart problem. The nice man than gives you a small shock through a machine too demonstrate the feeling the nice man would receive later, when you administer it. Now the nice man is sent out of the room and into another room directly in front of yours, you know he is wired up to a machine that you are using, although you cannot see him. The psychologist gestures for you to proceed, so you stat reading out certain word pairs that you are made to read and you also read out 4 possible answers. If the nice man gets an answer wrong you are told to shock him with the machine, now it is wise to note that each shock goes up by 15 volts.

A while later the machine is starting to produce dangerous electrical shocks, shocks with over 400 volts. Now you can hear the nice man screaming and banging his head against the wall, you can hear him crying and begging for mercy, you can hear him wailing the he has a heart problem and he begs you to stop. As you are on the verge of leaving the psychologist tells you too keep going, that it won't be your fault if the man dies, although you don't want to because it is fatally dangerous to the man in the other room, so do you keep going or do you demand to leave?

Unknown to you the nice man in the other room was an actor, he was never being shocked although you thought he was.

Basically here is the question: Would you keep going for science, because the psychologist told you too or for your own reasons? Or would you demand to leave, that this is inhumane, that it is terrible?
As a manner of an experiment, if I do what I am supposed to do, my conscience would be clear to continue in the manner I am supposed to until the psychologist said stop.
 

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I would not keep going.

Funfact: Frictional Games stated that Amnesia: The Dark Descent was partially inspired by the Milgram Experiment.
 

Dimensional Vortex

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Matt_LRR said:
I'm going to make a prediction.

The majority of the people in this thread are going to say "no way, I'd totally stop!"

The majority of those people will be wrong.

-m
If you look at the mans results a surprising amount of people continued.
 

Amphoteric

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Derren Brown did this experiment

http://www.betterdaystv.net/play.php?vid=19890

Most people will continue no matter what you think you'd do now.
 

Dimensional Vortex

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Imp Poster said:
Dimensional Vortex said:
Too Long To Read Version: Your in a room with two other people, one is a psychologist sitting in a corner. The other is a nice man who you talk to for a while, this nice man mentions he has a heart problem. The nice man than gives you a small shock through a machine too demonstrate the feeling the nice man would receive later, when you administer it. Now the nice man is sent out of the room and into another room directly in front of yours, you know he is wired up to a machine that you are using, although you cannot see him. The psychologist gestures for you to proceed, so you stat reading out certain word pairs that you are made to read and you also read out 4 possible answers. If the nice man gets an answer wrong you are told to shock him with the machine, now it is wise to note that each shock goes up by 15 volts.

A while later the machine is starting to produce dangerous electrical shocks, shocks with over 400 volts. Now you can hear the nice man screaming and banging his head against the wall, you can hear him crying and begging for mercy, you can hear him wailing the he has a heart problem and he begs you to stop. As you are on the verge of leaving the psychologist tells you too keep going, that it won't be your fault if the man dies, although you don't want to because it is fatally dangerous to the man in the other room, so do you keep going or do you demand to leave?

Unknown to you the nice man in the other room was an actor, he was never being shocked although you thought he was.

Basically here is the question: Would you keep going for science, because the psychologist told you too or for your own reasons? Or would you demand to leave, that this is inhumane, that it is terrible?
As a manner of an experiment, if I do what I am supposed to do, my conscience would be clear to continue in the manner I am supposed to until the psychologist said stop.
So you would feel no remorse if a man was screaming and wailing at you to stop because he could die? You wouldn't care or even have a passing thought to stop because the man is wailing in pain?
 

Gildan Bladeborn

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The problem with asking this sort of question is that I can't imagine a version of myself participating in an experiment like this without realizing that I'm in such an experiment, because I've known all about Milgram's research for years, and I can't imagine that's not going to skew the results. So a question like this is essentially asking me to imagine I'm somebody else entirely and who knows how that hypothetical person is going to react, he isn't me after all.

If Milgram's conclusions hold true though (and he did this sort of test all over the place with quite similar results, and others have duplicated his results), the odds are good that this hypothetical me would do what the researcher told me to, even if I really did think I'm giving some nice dude horribly painful electrical shocks. The actual me would keep pressing the button as well, but that would be more because they're presumably paying me to participate and I know it's all a ruse anyways - why stop doing something that isn't actually hurting anyone if you know it's a con designed simply to test your response to authority and the entire setup of the "test" and behavior reinforcement via electric shock is irrelevant? Screwing with statistics is fun!
 

Dimensional Vortex

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Sgt. Sykes said:
I honestly don't know. I guess one would have to actually be in the experiment to know the answer, but of course, knowing about it would skew the experience. So... Who knows.

Fact is, most people do submit to the instructions and go on with the voltage.

BTW experiment wasn't about 'continuing in the name of science'. The question was: do you submit to orders, when you don't have the responsibility?
Yes I know what the main question was about submitting to orders when you don't have the responsibility, but people will continue through with the experiment partially on their own thoughts too. I doubt all the people only continued because one authoritative figure sat in the corner telling them to do so, they would probably manipulate themselves to do so for other reasons. I only mention the "continuing for science" part because a lot of people at the Escapist like or are relatively familiar with science and might continue for science.
 

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Dimensional Vortex said:
Matt_LRR said:
I'm going to make a prediction.

The majority of the people in this thread are going to say "no way, I'd totally stop!"

The majority of those people will be wrong.

-m
If you look at the mans results a surprising amount of people continued.
That was my point. if you study psychology at all, there are a few things you see pretty quickly. First, people are, by and large, sheep, and second, that people are notoriously bad at estimating their own capacity to break the mold. People virtually universally overestimate themselves. (see Self-affirmation [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-affirmation] and Fundamental Attribution error [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error])



Dimensional Vortex said:
Imp Poster said:
Dimensional Vortex said:
Too Long To Read Version: Your in a room with two other people, one is a psychologist sitting in a corner. The other is a nice man who you talk to for a while, this nice man mentions he has a heart problem. The nice man than gives you a small shock through a machine too demonstrate the feeling the nice man would receive later, when you administer it. Now the nice man is sent out of the room and into another room directly in front of yours, you know he is wired up to a machine that you are using, although you cannot see him. The psychologist gestures for you to proceed, so you stat reading out certain word pairs that you are made to read and you also read out 4 possible answers. If the nice man gets an answer wrong you are told to shock him with the machine, now it is wise to note that each shock goes up by 15 volts.

A while later the machine is starting to produce dangerous electrical shocks, shocks with over 400 volts. Now you can hear the nice man screaming and banging his head against the wall, you can hear him crying and begging for mercy, you can hear him wailing the he has a heart problem and he begs you to stop. As you are on the verge of leaving the psychologist tells you too keep going, that it won't be your fault if the man dies, although you don't want to because it is fatally dangerous to the man in the other room, so do you keep going or do you demand to leave?

Unknown to you the nice man in the other room was an actor, he was never being shocked although you thought he was.

Basically here is the question: Would you keep going for science, because the psychologist told you too or for your own reasons? Or would you demand to leave, that this is inhumane, that it is terrible?
As a manner of an experiment, if I do what I am supposed to do, my conscience would be clear to continue in the manner I am supposed to until the psychologist said stop.
So you would feel no remorse if a man was screaming and wailing at you to stop because he could die? You wouldn't care or even have a passing thought to stop because the man is wailing in pain?
Interestingly, if you read the details of the study - everybody has second thoughts. 100% of participants take pause at what they're doing, or protest.

65% of them still continue and administer the shock despite their reservations.

-m