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the D0rk One

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If this is the next MK (movie) put a pillow over its paraplegic face and wait for the thrashing to cease.


The upcoming video game looks great, despite the ?it?ll be 2D.No wait 3D. 2.725D cuz it?s more imersiv n awsum?. 5 and 6 were fuckin? great 3D fighting games, so they?ve already done it, no need for virginal fear of that first dreaded contact, and I?m pretty sure they?ll deliver on their choice. Now for the ?movie trailer?.

Kudos to the director and the actors for putting so much effort in their pitch. But it?s still worth shit. Because purist are (and will be) outraged. Of course, a true fan?s (or a million fans?, for that matter) opinion is probably worth shit to WB, they make movies to sell them, yadda yadda, but the MK mythos is going to the pig trough.

The MK universe is one of campy, kitschy, over-the-top action. It?s supposed to be about gratuitous violence inflicted by ridiculous characters (and environments) upon each other.
Baraka is a ?monster? from another world, an alien if you will, doing his thing in Shao Khan?s evil empire. Reptile is another ?alien? from another world etc.
Scorpion is undead.

Of course, you can extrapolate on those ideas, and try and think that Baraka was actually a metaphor for a masochistical sociopath, and Reptile had Harlequin Ichtiosis on his penis, and hence he couldn't get a date in highschool, and that Hell is a maximum security prison where sex offenders wear red latex suits and sport tridents, but? you could also re-invent Sonic the Hedgehog as a Space Marine sporting a blue Spartan outfit. Hell, seeing the recruitment process in some BIG GAME COMPANIES this just might be a nightmare come true?

What most directors dealing with a pre-existing license need to realize is that they work with something dear to millions and that they firstly need to address the fucking fans (miserable filth that they are) before they deal with their own aspirations.
Rebooting the MK movie franchise should go hand in hand with the games. Reinvent all you want, but keep it on a leash.

You love Baraka (well, I do to, and I also generally like physicians), then give him more depth without pulling him out of his universe like an aborted fetus. He could be a revolutionary, doing Shao Khan?s bidding only to be able to overthrow him, or a child abuse victim turned dictator because of his trauma, or a socially repressed sexual deviant born in a conservatory Outworld, or an exaggerated body-piercer, or whatever, but not a fucking ?generic metropolitan area? MD who can?t cope with the stress of malpractice.

You like Reptile and cannibalism? Cool? He?s the last dude from some Outworld region. Maybe he actually needs to eat sentient beings for sustenance?? Maybe his races? metabolism is so fucked up that they can only sustain by eating meat belonging to species? capable of self-awareness? that much more dramatic no?

Scorpion is Satan?s ***** in Earth?s hell right? And maybe undeath doesn?t strip away one?s ability to have emotions? And maybe Hanzo misses his wife and son and gets tired of Beelzebub?s bullshit? I don?t know? something both relatable AND somewhat on the same vector as the original direction?

You know, great stories (be they movies, music, literature or even games) have a main common ?feature?: believability. And this is directly linked with peoples? ability to be empathic.
We usually empathize with what we?re familiar with, what we can understand. Anybody can follow Mario going through 8 hells to save his Peach (or Lemon, or Plum, or whatever fruit gets his imagination going in a sexual direction) from the scaly, horny  asshole harassing her. Just an example.

We can empathize with Kratos wanting to tell his daddy what he thinks of the Olympian shindig with a ridiculously huge sword, or being pissed off at the ?gods? who regard him as a ?cog? in their system.

We can even empathize with Desmond ?Altaïr? ?Ezio? What-s-his-totally-forgettable-face during his politically-unsettling adventures 'cuz he believes otherwise.

But I doubt many of us fans can empathize with the ?re-imagined? MK crew.
I?m not one to discourage creative thinking or enriching an existent franchise. Bring all the depth you want, but be aware of the original creative direction of this property. You don?t improve the fucking Coliseum by slapping on a retractable roof. Perhaps you start and re-paint the original colors, you replace the heads on worn-faced statues, you re-define each column?s grooves, but in the end it?s still a Coliseum, not the Maracanã.
If Lucas Arts will ever be tempted to try and be a game company again and try something besides selling Star Wars toilet paper, maybe they?ll try to and reboot Monkey Island, but I?m sure it?ll be a pirate adventure game, not Guybrush Threepwood starring in Heavy Rain the Movie.
 

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I think it looks great. Obviously not a marvel of cinematography, but good fun, you know?
 

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Apparently, there will be 2 worlds just like there was in-game.

Our world
Out World

The "Powers" and so on will be mainly in out world. Also, those special attacks will be one-offs per fight. You won't see Scorpion spamming his spear, or Raiden spamming his God powers of lightning. They're going to be rare, as the movie is mainly about what the title implies.....MORTAL COMBAT...

So, they fight hand to bloody hand until someone dies. Since someone dies, there IS a fatality system. Maybe no flaming skull, but hey they're going for more realistic look here.

That explains why Baraka's a fucked up med student, why reptile has some skin disorder instead of being an out world born reptile. They all have their traits, IE Scorpion hates Sub-zero, his eyes are blank, and he has the bloody spear. It's meeting fans of movies and fans of gaming half-way.

So, no. Raiden won't be one big lightning bolt.... Others will appear there too. They're thinking of the more realistic characters, like Kung Lao, (Cage is dead), Stryker, etc. No robots....for now. Only partial robots, AKA Jax.
 

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Hidden_Agenda said:
They're going to be rare, as the movie is mainly about what the title implies.....MORTAL COMBAT..
I thought it was called Mortal Kombat for this specific definition of mortality: death or destruction on a large scale, as from war, plague, or famine.

Powers shouldn't be damned.
 

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I am very much a big fan of Mortal Kombat, but I liked the redone versions in the pitch trailor. Surely more accurate to the source than most other things, despite what you may think. What WB will do to ruin it though, I do not know, but I have faith in the director and writer. Anything really bad about it I would so far blame interlopers.
 

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Wasn't the whole thing just a tester? To show how the movie COULD be done and not just be a whole load wank like the movies and the series. I like this new interpretation. With good choreography and interesting set pieces it could be a great actioner.
 

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Hidden_Agenda said:
Apparently, there will be 2 worlds just like there was in-game.
why reptile has some skin disorder instead of being an out world born reptile.
I thought Reptile was the green ninja? I played the original, but little more than that. I've see MK2, and MK3 (which is where I start to lose track of things), and reptile always appears as a green ninja. I was a little put off by reptile being some psycho body modder in the youtube-pitch. But then again, there are clearly things I've missed since the games have likely gone very far from their origins. (To me, that Shang Tsung guy is still supposed to be one bad dude... right?)
 

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manythings said:
Wasn't the whole thing just a tester? To show how the movie COULD be done and not just be a whole load wank like the movies and the series. I like this new interpretation. With good choreography and interesting set pieces it could be a great actioner.
I believe I read (on the escapists) that it was a pitch. "Here's what my movie would look/feel like if you let me film this license." I'm personally hoping it worked. The first MK movie was fun on a bun for a gaming movie. This pitch looks even more entertaining. :3
 

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Firia said:
manythings said:
Wasn't the whole thing just a tester? To show how the movie COULD be done and not just be a whole load wank like the movies and the series. I like this new interpretation. With good choreography and interesting set pieces it could be a great actioner.
I believe I read (on the escapists) that it was a pitch. "Here's what my movie would look/feel like if you let me film this license." I'm personally hoping it worked. The first MK movie was fun on a bun for a gaming movie. This pitch looks even more entertaining. :3
The first movie was ok but god knows I will never watch it a second time. If they do make this movie I am tentatively thinking about buying the DVD.
 

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It was a pitch thrown together using two red cameras, and $7,500.

Yes, reptile wore a green ninja outfit and was a human-like character with some powers like invisibility....

In the movies though (The 2 original movies) he was a reptile born in out world. He was thrown into a statue while fighting some of Earth's combatants and then "Reptile" was said and he was a human in a green ninja outfit like in the games.

This one though, suffers from a skin condition that makes him LIKE a reptile. So, scaled skin, etc. Kind of like a boa constrictor.... By that I mean eating head first, scaled skin, and lamps to warm his blood, etc.

The pitch went well. 4 million views in the first 48 hours or so. It was to prove it to Warner Bros, that it could be done.

Technically, this is the third movie. There was Mortal Kombat, then Mortal Kombat: Annihilation. This will NOT focus on Lui "Bloody Wanker" Kang.

Scorpion will be the villain, and he WILL remain a villain according to the creator.

Interview with the director
http://www.collider.com/2010/06/09/kevin-tancharoen-interview-mortal-kombat-rebirth-feature-film/

Character back story comparison
http://www.hotbloodedgaming.com/2010/06/09/comparing-characters-established-mk-vs-reimagined-mk/

About WHY it's called Mortal Kombat, it's mortals from Earth Realm, vs warriors from out world.
The only time they had guidance was from Sub-zero or Raiden....Mostly Raiden.
 

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Hidden_Agenda said:
Interview with the director
http://www.collider.com/2010/06/09/kevin-tancharoen-interview-mortal-kombat-rebirth-feature-film/
Many thanks for that. :) As an artistic creator myself, I love hearing about how he thought things through. So far, I endorse his dream. I'm hoping everything goes well, and filming begins soonish. I'm thinking... now. :)
 

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According to him, that's part of the prologue. So, in essence, it's part of the movie.

Technically it has begun, but it MAY be prolonged until the deal is done with Warner Bros.

This is the first bit of this I'm not 100% about.... The pausing bit at least. About 70% sure on that, as he would need funding for it, and all.
 

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Firia said:
Hidden_Agenda said:
Apparently, there will be 2 worlds just like there was in-game.
why reptile has some skin disorder instead of being an out world born reptile.
I thought Reptile was the green ninja? I played the original, but little more than that. I've see MK2, and MK3 (which is where I start to lose track of things), and reptile always appears as a green ninja. I was a little put off by reptile being some psycho body modder in the youtube-pitch. But then again, there are clearly things I've missed since the games have likely gone very far from their origins. (To me, that Shang Tsung guy is still supposed to be one bad dude... right?)
He is a green ninja, but hes also a reptilian humanoid. One of his MK2 fatalities was him pulling off his mask and eating the victim.
 

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the D0rk One said:
What most directors dealing with a pre-existing license need to realize is that they work with something dear to millions and that they firstly need to address the fucking fans (miserable filth that they are) before they deal with their own aspirations. Rebooting the MK movie franchise should go hand in hand with the games. Reinvent all you want, but keep it on a leash.
You were doing OK, right up to here. Since when was it your call to shoot down the fans' opinions against this? Or say we're filth for saying we don't like this? Granted, you are correct in saying that this should be handled better, but don't insult the fans who actually care in doing so.

Look, here's why I'm pissed off at this, just so we're clear. And I'm quite sure I can speak for a lot of true fans on these subjects.

1. In a Collider interview with Tancharoen after the movie hit YouTube, he said the following:
"Oh, yeah. Definitely, this is my take on what I would want to do with Mortal Kombat. I would love it if Warner Bros. wanted to do it this way."
Does that sound like someone who you would like to direct Mortal Kombat? Not to me. When I read that, I knew what this guy was in no way a fan of MK, or if he is, his fandom ended around MK4. Any fan would know that re-imagining Mortal Kombat into a knockoff of SAW or Texas Chainsaw is a tremendous misstep. Even MovieBob on this very website said so.

Just look at The Legend of Chun-Li. It tried to be realistic and set in the real world, but every time a character was introduced or set up, they were wrongfully characterized or in Bison, Balrog, and Vega's cases, killed off before their parts in the games even began. (Also, since the guy who directed Doom, you know, the Resident Evil clone, was directing Chun-Li, I saw problems well before the movie even came to theaters.)

2. The fact that people are supporting this for the wrong reasons.

Let's get something straight. I loved the first MK film. Say what you will about it, but as far as game films go, like Silent Hill and Prince of Persia, it retained the atmosphere and characters while retelling the stories they were based on in a way that moviegoers could get. Sure, things were changed to suit the films, like Pyramid Head showing up in Silent Hill, even though Harry never ran into him, or the blood being taken away in Mortal Kombat, but they bridged the gap well.

Now, let's move to Annihilation. You want to know why Annihilation failed as a movie? It failed because many of the characters were there only for fan service or were wrongly characterized. Just the same, The Legend of Chun-Li made this same mistake, and Capcom co-wrote the script. (By the way, Liu Kang's actor was in that crappy movie.)

Also, three of the five original actors didn't return even though it was quite clear a sequel was being thought up, some of the scenarios, like Raiden against all the ninjas instead of the fight against Sindel, made no sense, and unlike the first film, the dialogue was too lazy to be taken seriously.

Now, the majority of people who support this seem to be doing so for two reasons: The realistic take, and the additions, maybe, of bloody Fatalities. Is that all? Really. Is that the only two reasons you can give to support this drek?

If that's the case, then what's the point of even supporting this film in the first place when you can go to NetFlix and watch an old splatter movie like Dawn of the Dead and get the same satisfaction? Seriously, that's what you're saying by supporting what this teaser is showing. You're saying that you could care less about the franchise and only want to see fighting and blood.

3. The fact that there are literally NO special effects, aside from blood, to point out that this still has the mystical elements of Mortal Kombat.

To be frank, I don't believe Tancharoen's statement that he couldn't include some special effects, even with borrowed equipment. Here's why I say that:
Do I need any more proof than that? Yes? Ok then. How about http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/ I visit this site quite often, and the shows that these guys make often take three guys to produce, or in some cases, only one. C'mon Tancharoen, are you really saying that you honestly could not add in some special effects, or created backdrops, to show off the Outworld that you said is still in this movie?

Now like I said, because I am such a fan of the Mortal Kombat series, I know there?s a lot of concern about the mysticism and the special powers and all that kind of stuff. Well, like I said, this is really designed ? the short so far is really designed like a prologue to the movie. Now, in a movie version, I am going to have that mysticism there, but it has to be done in a very tasteful way. I wouldn?t like it too campy or too cheesy. I know this is a weird analogy, but it?s the best one I can think of right now. It?s kind of like when in Harry Potter, there?s two universes that coexist with each other. There?s the real world, and then you get on the train and then you go to Hogwart?s, and that?s where all the magic is. It was actually kind of similar in the first Mortal Kombat, too.
And here's where I found another gap in Tancharoen's interview: the idea that the characters have powers in Outworld, but not on Earth. Even people who are NOT fans know that Johnny Cage could use his Shadow Kick and Force Ball powers on Earth as part of his training, and that Sub-Zero is an Earthrealm character whose powers are ancestral Outworld powers. Going to Outworld didn't change anything, aside from the idea that they could still keep fighting after getting wailed on so much.

Seriously, Tancharoen, this is just lazy. You call yourself a fan, and yet you get this basic fact wrong? Hell, you could've added in Johnny's signature moves to show that the mysticism element was still present. Why not do that?

So, there you go. This is why I think that this idea is already an abject, tasteless failure. It was a good effort, but what was shown here is not how Mortal Kombat should be approached or filmed.
 

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AgentBJ09 said:
the D0rk One said:
What most directors dealing with a pre-existing license need to realize is that they work with something dear to millions and that they firstly need to address the fucking fans (miserable filth that they are) before they deal with their own aspirations. Rebooting the MK movie franchise should go hand in hand with the games. Reinvent all you want, but keep it on a leash.
You were doing OK, right up to here. Since when was it your call to shoot down the fans' opinions against this? Or say we're filth for saying we don't like this? Granted, you are correct in saying that this should be handled better, but don't insult the fans who actually care in doing so.
.... I don't get it .... I was obviously being ironic right there, and it is aimed at the movie & "the MK pitch is cool" people. Besides, I'm obviously a fan, so I'm "in the filth" as well... so why the ruffled feathers?
 

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Well, honestly....
There are special effects in that pitch.

1) Scorpion's spear piercing the guy's throat.
2) Baraka's fatality on Johnny Cage.
3) Reptile eating those heads.
4) Scorpion's eyes.
5) Baraka's appearance.

For now it includes little computer work, mostly latex and the proper additions.

Hopefully it will change when they get to out world.

PS, do we really need to see a smug, egotistical actor punch someone in the balls for stealing his shades? So, Johnny down. I'm glad.

Yes, I've been a fan for quite some time, but I'd rather sit through that short than watch Annihilation one more time.

PS, if you paused it to look at Sub-zero's face, they will be wearing masks for the fight sequences. Just pause it on the photos.

I'm sure most of that money was spent on special effects, film and the actors...
 

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I too being a hardcore mortal kombat fan thought that idea was rubbish to be a realistic mortal kombat but nonetheless let the film speak for itself
Oh but it will... I know my (or 10000 fan) opinions won't do the slightest difference, but I suppose that's also what fuels this rant.

I don't really care for the profitability of re-imagining the MK movie franchise. I love MK and I'd love to see it at the very top of the best-selling list, as a video game as well as a movie, but I want Mortal Kombat, not "what it could have been if..."

I'm being a purist here, I know, but campy, kitschy gratuitous gore fest is what makes MK... MK :) not that "deeper", more "lifelike" vision.

Movie directors and game designers usually hit this obstacle and they don't even feel it: they have their own vision and they feel like presenting it in their projects, but they very often miss the point: when you work with someone else's creation you should stick to it and be careful when you bring your own vision in the project, because the slightest detail might give the overall feel a different direction.
 

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You know, I used to enjoy arcade sharking when the original MK came out and I think this looks cool. It would be a "fun" movie to see that was "inspired" by a game.
 

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You don?t improve the fucking Coliseum by slapping on a retractable roof. Perhaps you start and re-paint the original colors, you replace the heads on worn-faced statues, you re-define each column?s grooves, but in the end it?s still a Coliseum, not the Maracanã.
Didn't the coliseum actually have a retractable canvas roof, back in the day? Yeah, out of all the examples you could have picked... XD