Progressive Zootopia Movie Franchise Ideas And The Implications

[Epyc Wynn]

This is stupid at face value I know, but realistically over the next few centuries if the Zootopia franchise managed to stay alive I really do think something like this could happen. (There is a slight 0.0001 possibility I bet.) If nothing else please discuss the implications of this idea for the next 9 movies in the Zootopia franchise as I feel something constructive could be done with these movie ideas.

Zootopia: Movie about different species getting along teaching all races are equal.

Zootopia 2: Movie about different species loving each other teaching interracial marriage is okay.

Zootopia 3: Movie about animals and robots getting along teaching animals and robots are equal.

Zootopia 4: Movie about animals and robots loving each other teaching robosexual marraige is okay.

Zootopia 5: Movie about animals/robots and aliens getting along teaching all beings are equal.

Zootopia 6: Movie about animals/robots and aliens loving each other teaching interplanetary marriage is okay.

Zootopia 7: Movie about animals/robots/aliens and spirits from other dimensions getting along teaching all entities are equal.

Zootopia 8: Movie about animals/robots/aliens and spirits from other dimensions loving each other teaching interdimensional marriage is okay.

Zootopia 9: Movie about animals/robots/aliens/dimensional spirits and literally God getting along teaching all is equal.

Zootopia 10: Movie about animals/robots/aliens/dimensional spirits and literally God loving each other teaching godsexuality is okay.

 

[Thaluikhain]

What, people will be making movies about how getting along with people who are different from you is ok? Oh noes!

Fortunately, they'd likely end up fumbling it badly, playing lipservice to the idea and missing the point entirely.

 

[Zontar]

Why would any Zootopia sequels suddenly have a progressive message infused into them when the critical acclaim of the first one stemmed from its openly opposing such values? I know this isn't the most serious thread, but I'm still surprised at how many people missed the underlying message about needing to work hard to make your place in the world work for you. It's a shockingly anti-progressive message for a big budget movie.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

If Disney should make any sequals I rather have them make a Fantasia 3 then more Zootopia.

And it better be done in Traditional 2D animation.

 

[Epyc Wynn]

Why would any Zootopia sequels suddenly have a progressive message infused into them when the critical acclaim of the first one stemmed from its openly opposing such values? I know this isn't the most serious thread, but I'm still surprised at how many people missed the underlying message about needing to work hard to make your place in the world work for you. It's a shockingly anti-progressive message for a big budget movie.

Care to elaborate? I'm aware the thread's pretty relaxed but that is an interesting point as I found the film to be exceedingly progressive with its promoting acceptance of all species and what I'd even call an allusion to romance between the two main characters. The point of the movie was racism is bad and that's the point 99% of people got out of it. Having to work for your place in the world is a point I never particularly got from the movie, and it seemed like the Rabbit at multiple points was going to fail even though she was working for her place in the world and only got saved out of happening to have her friendly metaphor for a black guy helping her through it all. I feel the anti-progressive message you got might be more a product of your own perception as I have trouble seeing it, but then again I'm a fairly progressive guy myself so if you'd like to argue otherwise feel free.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

If Disney should make any sequals I rather have them make a Fantasia 3 then more Zootopia.

Who needs more Fantasia? Just cut in a new soundtrack to the previous ones. But Zootopia 2 is a thing that needs to happen.

 

[Zontar]

Why would any Zootopia sequels suddenly have a progressive message infused into them when the critical acclaim of the first one stemmed from its openly opposing such values? I know this isn't the most serious thread, but I'm still surprised at how many people missed the underlying message about needing to work hard to make your place in the world work for you. It's a shockingly anti-progressive message for a big budget movie.

Care to elaborate? I'm aware the thread's pretty relaxed but that is an interesting point as I found the film to be exceedingly progressive with its promoting acceptance of all species and what I'd even call an allusion to romance between the two main characters. The point of the movie was racism is bad and that's the point 99% of people got out of it. Having to work for your place in the world is a point I never particularly got from the movie, and it seemed like the Rabbit at multiple points was going to fail even though she was working for her place in the world and only got saved out of happening to have her friendly metaphor for a black guy helping her through it all. I feel the anti-progressive message you got might be more a product of your own perception as I have trouble seeing it, but then again I'm a fairly progressive guy myself so if you'd like to argue otherwise feel free.

Maybe I am just reading too much into it, but I don't see anything inherently progressive about racism being a bad thing and that we should all treat each other the same. Then again I live in a country where both sides of the spectrum openly advocate for that and the disagreement stems from how we achieve that.

I suppose what gets to me is that in a time where quite a few progressives are trying to change things in the world to make it easier for them to reach places with things like quotas and lower standards for certain types of people in the name of equality of outcome, seeing a big movie pushing the idea that you need to work hard for what you want because the world isn't going to make it easy for you to get it feels like a breath of fresh air.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

next... few... centuries?

Youd be lucky to get 3. 4 max.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

If Disney should make any sequals I rather have them make a Fantasia 3 then more Zootopia.

Who needs more Fantasia? Just cut in a new soundtrack to the previous ones. But Zootopia 2 is a thing that needs to happen.

People like you are the true heretics. Zootopia is just a glorifyed and plagiarised Dreamworks movie (Like Shrek level Dreamworks). None of that Disney Magic is in it.

This is Disney to me:




And if this is about Animals well:


Need I show more?

Zootopia and Modern Disney movies will never be as masterful as classic Disney Animation.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

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Oh please yes. Please tell me more about how Disney never ever ever ever ever plagiarized its stories. Tell me how Lion King isn't just Hamlet with Lions. Tell me how Sleeping Beauty totally holds up, or that Little Mermaid was ever a good movie. Tell me how Zootopia is just a carbon copy of another already existing story, and not just a clever and cute movie about racism and is probably one of the best Disney movies that's ever happened.

I mean seriously, looking back what 'magic' did Disney ever have?

 

[Epyc Wynn]

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Oh please yes. Please tell me more about how Disney never ever ever ever ever plagiarized its stories. Tell me how Lion King isn't just Hamlet with Lions. Tell me how Sleeping Beauty totally holds up, or that Little Mermaid was ever a good movie. Tell me how Zootopia is just a carbon copy of another already existing story, and not just a clever and cute movie about racism and is probably one of the best Disney movies that's ever happened.

I mean seriously, looking back what 'magic' did Disney ever have?

MONEY

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Why would any Zootopia sequels suddenly have a progressive message infused into them when the critical acclaim of the first one stemmed from its openly opposing such values? I know this isn't the most serious thread, but I'm still surprised at how many people missed the underlying message about needing to work hard to make your place in the world work for you. It's a shockingly anti-progressive message for a big budget movie.

Care to elaborate? I'm aware the thread's pretty relaxed but that is an interesting point as I found the film to be exceedingly progressive with its promoting acceptance of all species and what I'd even call an allusion to romance between the two main characters. The point of the movie was racism is bad and that's the point 99% of people got out of it. Having to work for your place in the world is a point I never particularly got from the movie, and it seemed like the Rabbit at multiple points was going to fail even though she was working for her place in the world and only got saved out of happening to have her friendly metaphor for a black guy helping her through it all. I feel the anti-progressive message you got might be more a product of your own perception as I have trouble seeing it, but then again I'm a fairly progressive guy myself so if you'd like to argue otherwise feel free.

Maybe I am just reading too much into it, but I don't see anything inherently progressive about racism being a bad thing and that we should all treat each other the same. Then again I live in a country where both sides of the spectrum openly advocate for that and the disagreement stems from how we achieve that.

I suppose what gets to me is that in a time where quite a few progressives are trying to change things in the world to make it easier for them to reach places with things like quotas and lower standards for certain types of people in the name of equality of outcome, seeing a big movie pushing the idea that you need to work hard for what you want because the world isn't going to make it easy for you to get it feels like a breath of fresh air.

Didn't Judy only get a place in the police academy because of Affirmative Action the Lion mayor's Mammal Inclusion Initiative?

 

[Zontar]

Didn't Judy only get a place in the police academy because of Affirmative Action the Lion mayor's Mammal Inclusion Initiative?

Yes, and those at the police academy didn't lift a finger to make it easier for her, as would be the case in real life had someone unqualified been pushed in through affirmative action.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Spoiler

If Disney should make any sequals I rather have them make a Fantasia 3 then more Zootopia.

Who needs more Fantasia? Just cut in a new soundtrack to the previous ones. But Zootopia 2 is a thing that needs to happen.

People like you are the true heretics. Zootopia is just a glorifyed and plagiarised Dreamworks movie (Like Shrek level Dreamworks). None of that Disney Magic is in it.

This is Disney to me:




And if this is about Animals well:


Need I show more?

Zootopia and Modern Disney movies will never be as masterful as classic Disney Animation.

That would be a convincing argument, if the words 'They don't make them like they used to' hadn't been in continuous use since the second human made object was crafted.

And can you be more specific about which Dreamwork movie Zootopia is plagiarizing? Or is Shrek your actual example?

Didn't Judy only get a place in the police academy because of Affirmative Action the Lion mayor's Mammal Inclusion Initiative?

Yes, and those at the police academy didn't lift a finger to make it easier for her, as would be the case in real life had someone unqualified been pushed in through affirmative action.

I seem to remember a 5 minute montage showing that Judy was, actually, quite capable. One could argue it was ham fisted in delivery (What montage isn't), and poorly done, but it's there.

 

[Silvanus]

Why would any Zootopia sequels suddenly have a progressive message infused into them when the critical acclaim of the first one stemmed from its openly opposing such values? I know this isn't the most serious thread, but I'm still surprised at how many people missed the underlying message about needing to work hard to make your place in the world work for you. It's a shockingly anti-progressive message for a big budget movie.

How the hell is that "anti-progressive"? You can't possibly believe progressives are just simply against the value of hard work.

 

[Zontar]

How the hell is that "anti-progressive"? You can't possibly believe progressives are just simply against the value of hard work.

I've seen quite a few who genuinely are, and more then enough who are pushing for equality of results who hold positions of power to not associate the idea with the ideology. While it's a "not all" situation, there is enough overlap I've seen between the two where it matters for the association to be made.

 

[Chanticoblues]

Disney isn't really known for its sterling sequels, with a lot of them being direct to video and of lesser quality than the films before them. I learned pretty early in my life to ignore Disney sequels on the video store shelf.

Maybe that's changed a bit now for the company, however. The MCU, the Star Wars Saga, and Pixar are all making a killing off of iteration, so maybe there will be a sequel to Zootopia that's good. It would just go against the decades-long tradition that Disney built for itself.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Spoiler

If Disney should make any sequals I rather have them make a Fantasia 3 then more Zootopia.

Who needs more Fantasia? Just cut in a new soundtrack to the previous ones. But Zootopia 2 is a thing that needs to happen.

People like you are the true heretics. Zootopia is just a glorifyed and plagiarised Dreamworks movie (Like Shrek level Dreamworks). None of that Disney Magic is in it.

This is Disney to me:




And if this is about Animals well:


Need I show more?

Zootopia and Modern Disney movies will never be as masterful as classic Disney Animation.

That would be a convincing argument, if the words 'They don't make them like they used to' hadn't been in continuous use since the second human made object was crafted.

And can you be more specific about which Dreamwork movie Zootopia is plagiarizing? Or is Shrek your actual example?

Didn't Judy only get a place in the police academy because of Affirmative Action the Lion mayor's Mammal Inclusion Initiative?

Yes, and those at the police academy didn't lift a finger to make it easier for her, as would be the case in real life had someone unqualified been pushed in through affirmative action.

I seem to remember a 5 minute montage showing that Judy was, actually, quite capable. One could argue it was ham fisted in delivery (What montage isn't), and poorly done, but it's there.

Characters like the fox and having expressions like this:

Spoiler

If Disney should make any sequals I rather have them make a Fantasia 3 then more Zootopia.

Who needs more Fantasia? Just cut in a new soundtrack to the previous ones. But Zootopia 2 is a thing that needs to happen.

People like you are the true heretics. Zootopia is just a glorifyed and plagiarised Dreamworks movie (Like Shrek level Dreamworks). None of that Disney Magic is in it.

This is Disney to me:




And if this is about Animals well:


Need I show more?

Zootopia and Modern Disney movies will never be as masterful as classic Disney Animation.

That would be a convincing argument, if the words 'They don't make them like they used to' hadn't been in continuous use since the second human made object was crafted.

And can you be more specific about which Dreamwork movie Zootopia is plagiarizing? Or is Shrek your actual example?

Didn't Judy only get a place in the police academy because of Affirmative Action the Lion mayor's Mammal Inclusion Initiative?

Yes, and those at the police academy didn't lift a finger to make it easier for her, as would be the case in real life had someone unqualified been pushed in through affirmative action.

I seem to remember a 5 minute montage showing that Judy was, actually, quite capable. One could argue it was ham fisted in delivery (What montage isn't), and poorly done, but it's there.

The Dreamworks stare:

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/a/a9/Zootopia_Textless_Judy_Poster.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160216153316

Just seeing the rabbit have eyes like this, I know what kind of movie this is.

And I have seen enough of the trailers to know what kind of movie this is.

I just feel all children's animated movies these days are increadibly samey. Like Zootopia is perhaps going to teach me the same moral messages I have already seen before.

None of these children animation takes any risks. Oh whatever things you say about Zootopia doing something risky I watched even riskier animation like these:

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

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Oh please yes. Please tell me more about how Disney never ever ever ever ever plagiarized its stories. Tell me how Lion King isn't just Hamlet with Lions. Tell me how Sleeping Beauty totally holds up, or that Little Mermaid was ever a good movie. Tell me how Zootopia is just a carbon copy of another already existing story, and not just a clever and cute movie about racism and is probably one of the best Disney movies that's ever happened.

I mean seriously, looking back what 'magic' did Disney ever have?

MONEY

OT: I enjoyed Zootopia but I'd rather just keep seeing other ideas get the light of day. I disagree about the overriding need to return to 'old Disney' because as much as I love classical animation, I don't see the talking suits that own Disney ever greenlighting an expensive artful animation again when they can get great returns on the new stuff. Its nice to dream I suppose but I like the Wreck it Ralph team. They can keep making movies.