Rap Music.

[Marv21]

Well I definitely give it respect as a genre, however the artists within the genre are varied. Theres good stuff, and theres bad stuff....and I have the lousy luck of listening to the bad stuff, that of course skews my opinion. Hip-hop varies as well but every f***ing douche now doesn't need to learn to sing when he has Auto-Tune, and the Synthesizer.

I think I need to see some evoultion in the genre, diversify.

But I digress.

I think gangster rap has limited appeal and since im just a white boy with a 3.6 GPA and not a wankster white trash mofo(The ones I know are pretty cool, while others make me sick), I think im out of the appeal group. Although, if I was in it it would be a different story.

Hip-hop however is a different matter entirely, because it is now brideing the gap between rap and rock. There will be this long awkward period, like ummmmmmm NOW! Where you will get shit going mainstream, and it being popular with the "cool" kids who in turn spread the diesase of crappy hip-hop, while good hip-hop is being overlooked.

There is good Rap and Hip-Hop, you just have to look for it, and the bad stuff(complete shit) is already mainstream!

 

[x0ny]

I googled the difference between rap and hip hop, and answers mostly sum up to mean there is no clear line which separates the two. I'm not into either, but I've liked one or two songs from one of those genres, whichever that may be.

Run DMC - It's Tricky
Run DMC and Aerosmith - Walk this way
Run DMC - It's like that
MC Hammer - Hammertime

 

[Kamaitachi]

Either they hear mainstream hip hop music (which tends not to be the cream of the genre) and hate it, or they hate 50 Cent and thus hate the genre, or they haven't given it a chance and hate it, or they just hate it for the sake of hating it, and those people (the last ones) well...

Or the style of music doesn't appeal to them, which is fine. But if it doesn't appeal then it doesn't give an excuse to hate.

There are more examples, but that'll do.

I don't intend ANY offence, but did it occur to you that the music simply might not speak to them?

 

[Shock and Awe]

There is some great rap, but the majority is about "bitches and hoes."

 

[Xanadu84]

Common mistake here is that most rap-haters don't hate rap: They hate GANGSTA rap. Generally, the hatred is for the stuff that try's to present violent, criminal behavior and abusing your girlfriend as a positive thing worthy of respect in real life.

In all honesty

/thread.

I think it's worth saying that I, personally, get a warm, fuzzy feeling inside every time someone quotes me and says, "/thread". There's few greater ego boosts that an online forum can grant me. So thank you.

 

[Bailos]

Fair enough, I suppose this has gone on long enough. I'm grateful that for the most part, everyone here is at least respectful, and I think I'll frequent the boards more often. Thanks everyone for participating.

I'm glad I got some new artists to listen to

For anyone interested, try out Aesop Rock, Immortal Technique, Lupe Fiasco (Who is surprising still rather underground), Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Zion I, Mr. Lif, and Jedi Mindtricks.

 

[Xanadu84]

Common mistake here is that most rap-haters don't hate rap: They hate GANGSTA rap. Generally, the hatred is for the stuff that try's to present violent, criminal behavior and abusing your girlfriend as a positive thing worthy of respect in real life.

Nah, I hate all of it. None of it requires any real talent. Give me twenty minutes and I could write you a hit rap song. I won't, because I'm not willing to demean myself that way, but I could.

...but I think it's important to note the matter of personal taste. If a certain example of rap is just as low quality to your ears, but conveys no negative, hateful, or moronic message, and a large number of people genuinely enjoy it, would your reaction be spiteful, or a simple, "Whatever, to each there own, but it sounds terrible to me" kind of deal? I think that the dislike for a song that talks about hitting their girlfriend, filled with indications that the artist seems to act this way in real life, is very different then dislike of a genre that just sounds amateurish and talentless to you.

 

[teisjm]

I think about a third of my CD's are rap cd's, and i'm also stunned about how much hate the genre gets by people who doesn't know shit.

Sure theres tons of (IMO) shitty rappers, but that goes for rock, pop, techno, metal and all other genres as well, also movies, books, games, people, oppinions and sexual positions, thats just the way life is.
But theres some rally good stuff as well, but i guess once you've heard 50 rap about bitches, bacardi and guns, you can truly say that the whole genre sucks.

Try listening to something with a little more depth, Cause thats where rap music shines.
Most rap songs have more lyrics than most other genres, and due to the leangthy lyrics, you can sy so much more about a topic, which i guess is why a lot of more serious rappers are more direct in their lyrical aproach.
They adress each other and other people directly through their lyrics, it's rarely about "a guy and a girl" ) or "a corrupt leader" (emimen - Mosh, for example) it's a lot more specific.
while you could say "boo this leaves no room for intepretation, so therefore it's for idiots who don't wanna have to think for themselves" But heres my thought about it:
If other songs (very generalizing i know) are like paintings, rap is like comics, one is comsidered more "arty" than the other, but honestly, a cartoonist can easily have as much talent as a painter, and the fact that he tells a more direct story doesn't make his fans dumber. Guess this is the right forum to make that point.

Guess i'll stop my train of thought here for the moment, or i'll just run completely off track and start dissing the art world.

 

[The AI]

I hate mainstream hip-hop and rap, so I used to think I hated the genre in general. But then I discovered the Gorillaz. From the moment I heard them I was hooked, and they were, strangely enough, the gateway band for me getting more into hip-hop.

 

[Patroclus]

I'll admit to accepting what is called -ahem- "Old School" rap.

Also I first read the title as "Rape Music"
Is there a song that fits rape? I mean like a scene where someone's getting raped, can you think of a song that would fit such a scene?

[Note to self: Stop letting mind wander]
I've begun to get replies, maybe I should start a thread or something? (Would need one hell of a disclaimer)

Rape Me-Nirvana
Polly-Nirvana
Chloroform Girl-Polkadot Cadaver

Run For Your Life - The Beatles?

I'm surprised nobody mentioned Closer-Nine Inch Nails.... or any of the songs by NIN for that matter...

OT: Can't say I hate it, but I can't say that I'm a hardcore fan of it either. Personally I just get annoyed when some people decide they want to blast their music (rap or no) out of their car as they're cruising around the neighbohood. It's just obnoxious. But it isn't uncommon in NYC, so one gets used to it after a time...

though, I did move recently (not far from my old neighborhood) and occasionally there's this guy/girl (dunno which) who circles the block in his/her car playing "The Dancing Queen" (Mamma Mia soundtrack) at the highest possible volume--I kid you not.

 

[Xanadu84]

Common mistake here is that most rap-haters don't hate rap: They hate GANGSTA rap. Generally, the hatred is for the stuff that try's to present violent, criminal behavior and abusing your girlfriend as a positive thing worthy of respect in real life.

Nah, I hate all of it. None of it requires any real talent. Give me twenty minutes and I could write you a hit rap song. I won't, because I'm not willing to demean myself that way, but I could.

...but I think it's important to note the matter of personal taste. If a certain example of rap is just as low quality to your ears, but conveys no negative, hateful, or moronic message, and a large number of people genuinely enjoy it, would your reaction be spiteful, or a simple, "Whatever, to each there own, but it sounds terrible to me" kind of deal? I think that the dislike for a song that talks about hitting their girlfriend, filled with indications that the artist seems to act this way in real life, is very different then dislike of a genre that just sounds amateurish and talentless to you.

I'm not one to hold back when it comes to my opinion on certain things, and music is one of those things. I hate rap because it both requires no talent and generally has poor meaning behind each song. I think rap's increase in popularity speaks to the declining intelligence of America as a whole. Anyone who genuinely considers rap to be a respectable form of art is an idiot, plain and simple. Okay for a laugh and two to three minutes of a catchy rhythm, maybe, but art? No. Respectable? No. The idea that many of these rappers consider themselves to be doing something which will last through the generations is laughable.

But by that same token, can you actually, truly "Hate" a simple guilty pleasure? You can hate something which encourages evil behavior, but for a guilty pleasure, you can really just shake your head and mutter somthing about bad taste.

 

[hittite]

I'll listen to pretty much any genre (except J-pop, the last time I tried to listen to some my ear drums popped out of my head and threatened me with physical violence) and I'll form my opinion of a song on it's own merits based off of a list of priorities.
1. musicality (so sue me, I'm a band geek)
2. poetry (how the lyrics fit together and flow)
3. message
90% of the rap that I've heard has little to none of these. I do, however, listen to some rap.

 

[eljawa]

Not to generalize, but much of the rap/hiphop genre samples better songs, and revolves around sex and drugs (Rock does too from time to time, but I find it musically interesting). The rythems, while more rapid than what I can do, are unapealing

I hate mainstream hip-hop and rap, so I used to think I hated the genre in general. But then I discovered the Gorillaz. From the moment I heard them I was hooked, and they were, strangely enough, the gateway band for me getting more into hip-hop.

Yeah, GOrrilaz are like an exception to the rule. They rock

 

[Azure Sky]

I hate rap where there talking about is gangsters, violence, and bitches...

True. A lot of rap that I hear just makes me question why people enjoy listening to it.

True. But I guess this can also be applied to other genras as well.

As for me, i'm more a 'melodic' genra person. Moar music and less lyrics is 'generaly' better (Assuming its nice music).
I guess Rap just sits at the direct opposite of my personal preferance.