Roland Plot-hole in Borderlands 2 (HUGE SPOILERS)

[LeroyJenkinsthe2nd]

Okay so partway through the game you find angel & Jack offs Roland. when this happened I was shocked at first but then I thought "oh wait, he can just revive at a new-U". But that never happened for some reason & a friend of mine did say that they are Hyperion tech & wouldn't allow Roland but they allow you through just fine & it couldn't be because angel wasn't around since it still doesn't stop you after she she dies. So I ask you all, is there an explanation somewhere that I missed? Do you think this will be resolved in future DLCs?

 

[woodaba]

The New-U is best ignored in context with the story. It's just a device to allow for a plausible way for the character to be ressurected with a hit to the wallet. It has about as much connection with the plot as reloading your last save.

 

[SajuukKhar]

The New-U is best ignored in context with the story. It's just a device to allow for a plausible way for the character to be ressurected with a hit to the wallet. It has about as much connection with the plot as reloading your last save.

Pretty much this.

The entire New-U concept is something that only quasi-exists, it is used to give player characters a reasonable explanation as to why they come back to life when they die, but it doesn't actually exist in the Bordelrands universe.

 

[hazabaza1]

It's just a really bad example of gameplay and story conflicting.
If we're going down this route, then why didn't Jack just disable the New-U machines for the PCs and then send everything he has to kill them?

 

[Dansen]

The New-U is best ignored in context with the story. It's just a device to allow for a plausible way for the character to be ressurected with a hit to the wallet. It has about as much connection with the plot as reloading your last save.

Thats true, but it still doesn't help that the New-u station constantly feels the need to remind you that its owned by Hyperion.

 

[Ice Car]

What bothers me more is that you, the player, while all this happens are sitting around with your thumb up your ass just watching this happen despite being a badass that can mow down entire armies and kill something like the Warrior alone. I also literally WATCHED Roland take several RPGs to the face and take no damage, but he gets killed by a single pistol shot to the chest. God damn Jack and his Shredder Shredder.

Sure.

Then again, that's what all cutscenes are like.

 

[Atmos Duality]

The New-U is best ignored in context with the story. It's just a device to allow for a plausible way for the character to be ressurected with a hit to the wallet. It has about as much connection with the plot as reloading your last save.

Thats true, but it still doesn't help that the New-u station constantly feels the need to remind you that its owned by Hyperion.

I do remember how in Bioshock they tried to explain how the resurrection stations worked (it was actually subtle character development, and possibly foreshadowing), and how one of the characters in the game basically called bullshit.

Didn't make a lick of sense in context, but eh, game logic rarely allows for narrative logic.
It's why the few games it works for are works of genius (or obscure as fuck).

Going back to Borderlands 2:
I did hate the fact that the player character stood there in full Cutscene Idiot mode while Jack popped up, killed Roland via Cutscene Damage, and Plot Deviced Lilith into obedience.

 

[Kopikatsu]

The Crimson Raiders were all removed from the New-U system once they went against Hyperion. Notice how all of the Crimson Raiders who die never come back (Roland, Reiss, Helena Peirce, etc) but all of Hyperion's personnel and allies return.

Spoiler

Angel, Handsome Jack, and Slagged Bloodwing are the only ones who stay dead. Bloodwing is a bird, Angel probably wasn't in the system- but could have taken herself out even if she was with Phase Shift since she wanted to die, and Jack wasn't in the system. He had body doubles to prevent assassination. New-U doesn't revive the dead...it just digistructs a clone of the recently deceased. The first time you die, you ACTUALLY die. For someone as egotistical as Jack, that makes New-U worthless to use on himself- because it's all for him, not some clone.

As for why the second wave of Vault Hunters can use it...Jack needs them alive in the beginning, Angel protects them after Jack no longer needs them, and then Jack wants them alive so that he can kill them over and over again until he's satisfied.

 

[LeroyJenkinsthe2nd]

The Crimson Raiders were all removed from the New-U system once they went against Hyperion. Notice how all of the Crimson Raiders who die never come back (Roland, Reiss, Helena Peirce, etc) but all of Hyperion's personnel and allies return.

Spoiler

Angel, Handsome Jack, and Slagged Bloodwing are the only ones who stay dead. Bloodwing is a bird, Angel probably wasn't in the system- but could have taken herself out even if she was with Phase Shift since she wanted to die, and Jack wasn't in the system. He had body doubles to prevent assassination. New-U doesn't revive the dead...it just digistructs a clone of the recently deceased. The first time you die, you ACTUALLY die. For someone as egotistical as Jack, that makes New-U worthless to use on himself- because it's all for him, not some clone.

As for why the second wave of Vault Hunters can use it...Jack needs them alive in the beginning, Angel protects them after Jack no longer needs them, and then Jack wants them alive so that he can kill them over and over again until he's satisfied.

That actually makes a lot of sense. But still I'm annoyed that they never explain that stuff to you I the game.