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Spoonius

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In a science fiction wartime narrative I'm writing, would you guys, as readers:

a) prefer to read about completely fictional factions/nations, or

b) prefer to read about the descendants of modern-day nations, with the story's geographic, cultural and political projections based on various international relationships that exist today, and developed in accordance with plausible predictions of the what the future may hold.

I personally favour the latter option, but it does carry an inherent (if low) risk of offending people, and trying to establish believable international advancements can be hard. I believe though that the immersion factor is worth the extra trouble.

But anyway, what are your thoughts? Real or Fictional?
 

merc hunter

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I personaly would love to read this story especially if it was from option B.

Good luck with the story
 

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The latter. Why wouldn't you want to offend people? Honestly. That's basically your only weapon in modern Sci-Fi, makes it interesting and gets people to talk. What really is the risk here is having a derivative, badly researched scenario. There have been way to many Fallout-esque versions of history, it'll be hard to stand out. I tend to laugh and shrug at 'serious' futuristic Sci-Fi because it treats itself with way too much dignity. Fallout did the right thing by taking the piss at history and itself frequently.

I don't read Sci-Fi anyway so I'm not your target audience.

I_am_a_Spoon said:
a hard sci-fi narrative
Say what?
 

Spoonius

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Bloody hell. I wrote out a reply, and then lost it because my modem dropped out...

Fuck you modem.

Furburt said:
Real, it's more identifiable. Blade Runner wouldn't have been half as good if it had been an unnamed city, it was incredible to see how much LA had changed.

So yeah, go with b, but make sure you don't write in a prejudiced manner. Try and make a recent history up for the country, even if you don't put it in the book, it's good to have while you're writing it.
I personally won't be prejudiced, but there will be bias in the attitudes of many characters, as well as in the principles of the ideologies that they follow. As long as I can make it clear that it's the characters who have these opinions (not the author) and provide cultural insights into why they think the way that they do, then it should be alright I reckon. And I definitely want to communicate both sides of the story, but the key here I think is to 'show, not tell'.

Also, yeah, I've already started working on extensive cultural backgrounds. Actually, that was one of the main discussions throughout the other thread I created.
Here's a link: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.184128-Sci-Fi-Re-Imagining-of-the-WWII-Pacific-Campaign?page=1

PS: I hope that ban is just an April Fools joke... your avatar is still working after all...

Brotherofwill said:
The latter. Why wouldn't you want to offend people? Honestly. That's basically your only weapon in modern Sci-Fi, makes it interesting and gets people to talk.
The problem with insulting or offending readers is that it not only distances them personally from the author and book, but that it can also have drastic side-effects. Take Australian author Matthew Reilly for example. Throughout the vast majority of his novels, Americans have been the main protagonists (and subsequently the 'good guys'). However in his latest series, he positioned the US military and government as one of the chief antagonists, and because of this was labelled as an "anti-American" writer by various readers and critics in the US. Sales of his novels have suffered there ever since. Reilly also tends to portray the French as antagonists in all of his published works, and as a result, they aren't sold in France.

The need for political-correctness is such a massive issue these days, as people seem to cry out in anger every time they're portrayed in an unflattering way. It's getting fucking ridiculous. My brother couldn't even have the name "Afro" printed on his leaver's jumper this year, because the teachers told him that it was a racist term : |

So unfortunately, I'll have to pull punches.

Brotherofwill said:
What really is the risk here is having a derivative, badly researched scenario. There have been way to many Fallout-esque versions of history, it'll be hard to stand out. I tend to laugh and shrug at 'serious' futuristic Sci-Fi because it treats itself with way too much dignity. Fallout did the right thing by taking the piss at history and itself frequently.
Whilst I do intend to place the story in a 'serious' context, I also intend to back it up with extensive research. I'll look at the various international relationships (social, cultural, political, geographical, etc) that exist today, and then try to predict the future (lol) in an attempt to come up with a believable setting.

I won't do this for every country, but I won't focus entirely on the big fish either.

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I_am_a_Spoon said:
a hard sci-fi narrative
Say what?
In literary terminology, "hard" refers to science fiction that is considered to be plausible. In other words, it obeys all the know laws of the universe, and the technology that it exhibits is based entirely on real science and known facts, or on established theories that are generally accepted by the scientific community.
The opposite of "hard" sci-fi is "soft" sci-fi, which often utilises fictional or impossible (according to modern-day science) technologies and other narrative elements.

I'm especially interested in hard science fiction, as it is so much more immersive and believable. It also earns the author much more respect in the eyes of scientists and other sci-fi writers.
 

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merc hunter said:
I personaly would love to read this story especially if it was from option B.

Good luck with the story
Could you elaborate a bit more? I want to know why you'd prefer real over fictional. After all, the more feedback, the better ;)
 

Spoonius

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PayJ567 said:
Sorry If I mis-read your post I'm a wee bit drubnk
Hehehehehe, well, I'm a wee bit high... ;)

PayJ567 said:
b)

It has to be real life factions no way can I be immersed if it's something I have no relation to.
But do you think that fictional cultures, if done properly, can be related to?
 

Lazy Kitty

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Depends, if it takes place on Earth, then go with the realisic option.

If it takes place in a Galaxy far away, go fictional.
Possibly you can use the realisic option if it were to take place in space but also on Earth or mentioning Earth sometimes.
 

Galad

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I'm all for B, being offensive is actually not that easy if you don't aim for it.

It just is a bit more of a challenge than option A.

Say, how about a third option, creating nations of your own, that however resemble one or more currently existing nations?
 

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Rex Dark said:
Depends, if it takes place on Earth, then go with the realisic option.

If it takes place in a Galaxy far away, go fictional.
Possibly you can use the realisic option if it were to take place in space but also on Earth or mentioning Earth sometimes.
Well yeah, I always intended for it to be based on our future, so I wanted realism.

However, if I can't get it to work, there's the fictional setting as a fallback point.

I want to know what Escapists think about it.
 

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I'd go with B, thinking of books like 1984, it helps provide a context, structure and ready made history to your nations/powers.
 

Spoonius

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Galad said:
I'm all for B, being offensive is actually not that easy if you don't aim for it.

It just is a bit more of a challenge than option A.
But you still have to be careful.

Do you think it's too much if the characters themselves are extremely racist, sexist or whatever? For example, if I write some really offensive stuff, but it's all part of a certain character's opinion, then is it justified? Will people be offended if they relate it to the character's viewpoint, and not the author's?

And yeah, it is a challenge, but if it helps immersion then why not?
Plus, I'm always open to ideas if you guys have them... ;)

Galad said:
Say, how about a third option, creating nations of your own, that however resemble one or more currently existing nations?
The two factions were always going to be alliances formed by nations that exist now, but I guess I could throw a fictional nation in...

But would that break immersion? For example, if you were reading about real nations and then stumbled across a fictional one (even if it's foundations were plausible), would you find it lessbelievable?

The_Decoy said:
I'd go with B, thinking of books like 1984, it helps provide a context, structure and ready made history to your nations/powers.
Yeah, that's one of the main advantages. If something's historical and not fictional, then readers don't need an explanation.
 

Galad

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^ racist characters are not too easy to pull off both as convincing characters and without offending someone.

I should probably do a poll about Geralt.
 

Spoonius

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Galad said:
^ racist characters are not too easy to pull off both as convincing characters and without offending someone.
No, what I meant was: will people accept racism if it's exhibited through a character's opinion, and not the author's?

Keep in mind that I'd provide alternative, non-racist viewpoints via other characters in the narrative.

Galad said:
I should probably do a poll about Geralt.
Who's that? :|
 

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I_am_a_Spoon said:
Galad said:
^ racist characters are not too easy to pull off both as convincing characters and without offending someone.
No, what I meant was: will people accept racism if it's exhibited through a character's opinion, and not the author's?

Keep in mind that I'd provide alternative, non-racist viewpoints viacharacters in the narrative.

Galad said:
I should probably do a poll about Geralt.
Who's that? :|
I can't speak for everyone, but I'd accept racist characters if they make sense within the story's context and aren't racist just for the extra attention they'd get.

And Geralt is the main protagonist in The Witcher. Some people find him sexist as a character because in the game he can have sex with quite a few women, and each time he does, he gets a card depicting said woman in a "naughty" position, all artfully done imho. It's appropriate, considering he's shown exactly like that in the books about him that came before the game, but I might still make a poll about it considering this topic.
 

Spoonius

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Galad said:
I can't speak for everyone, but I'd accept racist characters if they make sense within the story's context and aren't racist just for the extra attention they'd get.
Don't worry, I'm not talking about another "No Russian".

Galad said:
And Geralt is the main protagonist in The Witcher. Some people find him sexist as a character because in the game he can have sex with quite a few women, and each time he does, he gets a card depicting said woman in a "naughty" position, all artfully done imho. It's appropriate, considering he's shown exactly like that in the books about him that came before the game, but I might still make a poll about it considering this topic.
So the game basically rewards players with semi-pornographic images?

Well, as long as the game's rating takes it into consideration, then I don't see a problem.
 

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I_am_a_Spoon said:
merc hunter said:
I personaly would love to read this story especially if it was from option B.

Good luck with the story
Could you elaborate a bit more? I want to know why you'd prefer real over fictional. After all, the more feedback, the better ;)
Sorry, no problems, I would rather read a story with a real background/setting because
A. its more relevant to where we are now and I can kinda figure out where I would be in all of it
B. I find alternate history very interesting and seeing what would hypothetically happen to countries very interesting and
C. It might just mention New Zealand which makes my day.

Hope this helps

Cheers Merc Hunter