Scientists Chill Atoms to Negative Temperatures

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Scientists Chill Atoms to Negative Temperatures



German physicists have discovered that at negative temperatures, atoms are approaching infinitely hot.

Research physicists at the University of Munich in Germany have built what was previously only theoretically possible: a system with negative temperature. While absolute zero, the temperature of minimum molecular motion, is still unreachable, these scientists have pushed to the other side of zero and found a negative temperature system. Negative temperatures don't actually have "less" energy than zero, or actually take up some state "below" zero, but they do have some strange and bizarre properties. Whereas in a normal system atoms spread out evenly across all available states as energy increases, leading to an increase in entropy, in a negative system the atoms begin to occupy the maximum possible energy state at the same time - leading entropy to decrease as energy increases. This is the point where you've reached negative temperature. As one scientist put it, "the gas is not colder than zero Kelvin, but hotter. It is even hotter than at any positive temperature - the temperature scale simply does not end at infinity, but jumps to negative values instead."

Theoretically, this innovation could lead to more than 100% efficient engines, because of the way heat would flow around the entropy sink that is a negative system. "Heat would flow from a negative to a positive temperature system," said a study scientist, "because negative temperature systems can absorb entropy while releasing energy, they give rise to counterintuitive effects."

The authors' major hope is that the behavior of a negative system will lead to greater understanding of dark matter, the mysterious force that might be behind the expansion of the universe, because it appears that the "negative pressure" effect dark matter has is similar to what negative temperatures do. Any new developments will have to wait, though, because as it stands the negative system was stable for only hundreds of milliseconds - enough time to gather data and do little else.

Source: Huffpost Science [http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/01/scientists-create-negative-temperature-system/]
Image: LMU / MPQ Munich [http://www.quantum-munich.de/media/negative-absolute-temperature/]


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uchytjes

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greater than 100% efficiancy? so instead of releasing energy into the environment it sucks it in? This kind of reminds me of that nethicite or whatever it was called from FF12.
 

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I love how none of this actually makes any common sense. They have found a way to get past absolute zero without hitting it, it gets hotter than positive numbers could get, and it could lead to more than 100% efficient machines.
I love science.
 

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NO NOT LISTENING! You can't do that it isn't allowed! Stop it now! PLEASE STAHP!

I don't even know what to think any more. My mind is blasted.
 

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elilupe said:
I love how none of this actually makes any common sense. They have found a way to get past absolute zero without hitting it, it gets hotter than positive numbers could get, and it could lead to more than 100% efficient machines.
I love science.
I'm pretty sure the issue is with interpretation, not the experiment itself.

But the thing is, "temperature" is basically defined as the kinetic energy of the particles. And therefore, the lowest possible temperature is the one where the particles are not moving at all. You can't "cool an atom below absolute zero", at least not if you still want to keep the same definition of "temperature" as we use when we say "Oh, it's 23 degrees outside".

Oh and why does this [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_sea] suddenly come to mind?

Bottom line...the scientists themselves don't know what exactly they have discovered so they'll look into it further while the media sensationalizes and misinterprets the research results. Nothing new.

Nothing to see here, citizen, move along.

PS: Not saying that we're never, ever, going to redefine "temperature". Science does redefine stuff to fit with empirical results. But, the current definition of temperature simply does not allow negatives.
 

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I'm still not sure I understand the concept of negative temperature. To the study article!
 

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My head hurts, I've been trying to understand how this works but I really can't. I guess quantum physics really wasn't for me.
Now if you don't mind, I'm going to get some ice for my headache.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=5NylmdC_uEM#t=25s

That's what I love about science. Can't reach absolute zero? Fuck it, go negative and find everything goes wopsy trupy.
 

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Thanks to four years of Mechanical Engineering I can safely say, if this isn't some weird April Fool's joke, this is huge.
 

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This whole "negative temperature" thing is mostly just an artifact of one way to describe temperature at a quantum scale. It is not negative temperature in the conventional sense of temperature, nor even particularly related to that concept.
 

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Vegosiux said:
elilupe said:
I love how none of this actually makes any common sense. They have found a way to get past absolute zero without hitting it, it gets hotter than positive numbers could get, and it could lead to more than 100% efficient machines.
I love science.
I'm pretty sure the issue is with interpretation, not the experiment itself.

But the thing is, "temperature" is basically defined as the kinetic energy of the particles. And therefore, the lowest possible temperature is the one where the particles are not moving at all. You can't "cool an atom below absolute zero", at least not if you still want to keep the same definition of "temperature" as we use when we say "Oh, it's 23 degrees outside".

Oh and why does this [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_sea] suddenly come to mind?

Bottom line...the scientists themselves don't know what exactly they have discovered so they'll look into it further while the media sensationalizes and misinterprets the research results. Nothing new.

Nothing to see here, citizen, move along.

PS: Not saying that we're never, ever, going to redefine "temperature". Science does redefine stuff to fit with empirical results. But, the current definition of temperature simply does not allow negatives.
The problem comes from the difference between classical notion of temperature and the technical terms of temperature in statistical mechanics. In statistical mechanics the functions also define the distribution of energy states and given a certain distribution the temperature term becomes negative, but this was generally ignored as it didn't seem possible until now.

In simple terms, they've not removed the heat energy they've rearranged it.
 

ritchards

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First step... reproducable results! Then start calling it something new discovered.
 

Ukomba

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Well that's nothing-wait what?!?! Entropy isn't supposed to work like that O_O, wtf.
 

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So, from my understanding (or lack thereof) it's not that there's an actual "below" absolute zero, but they changed the conditions or, basically, how the atoms acted when exposed to the same temperature. And when they reacted opposite than they would have under normal circumstances, they're calling it a pseudo-negative temperature.

Or maybe I'm out of my mind and have no idea what I'm on about. Either way this is interesting.
 

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Okay, I think everyone needs to read at least some of
http://www.empiricalzeal.com/2013/01/05/what-the-dalai-lama-can-teach-us-about-temperatures-below-absolute-zero/

They've been doing things like this since the fifties [http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PR/v81/i2/p279_1]. It's just that this time the news media picked up on it and keeps getting it wrong.

Or, as http://www.coffeeshopphysics.com/articles/2011-08/26_leprechauns_and_laser_beams/ puts it:
The laser in your CD player routinely breaks the supposed law that nothing can be colder than absolute zero temperature. (The actual law is that nothing can reach exactly zero. The laser strives toward zero from below.)