Security Guard kicks ass and takes name.

[Krantos]

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c3#/video/bestoftv/2012/08/31/pkg-security-guard-shoots-thieves-internet-cafe.wesh

So many levels of F*** yeah! Going on here. Had to share.

Guy either has nerves of steel, or some sort of mental condition that doesn't let him be surprised. $10 says most of us would have still been sitting there with our mouths hanging open, in the time it took this guy to send them packing.

 

[username sucks]

What? Hes being complemented for this? In the video you can clearly see that they turn to run as soon as he pulls the gun, but he still keeps shooting them as they are running. He did react quickly, but he also definitly overreacted here. If they are already running, why whould he shoot them? I would complement him if he stopped shooting as soon as he noticed that they were running, but he keeps shooting even at the guy who is crawling out the door.
Captcha: Lets be serious now

 

[Kopikatsu]

What? Hes being complemented for this? In the video you can clearly see that they turn to run as soon as he pulls the gun, but he still keeps shooting them as they are running. He did react quickly, but he also definitly overreacted here. If they are already running, why whould he shoot them? I would complement him if he stopped shooting as soon as he noticed that they were running, but he keeps shooting even at the guy who is crawling out the door.
Captcha: Lets be serious now

I have a class D security license, and I can tell you that Security Guards are told the same thing that cops are. You only draw your gun if you're going to use it. Once you start shooting, you keep shooting until the target is dead or out of your LOS. There are no other options.

Which is why I feel this is kind of 'eh'. You're only supposed to draw your gun as a last resort (I would say that in this case it's justified because the three guys were armed, BUT did the security guard really have enough time to realize that they were armed? I'm not sure...)

 

[username sucks]

What? Hes being complemented for this? In the video you can clearly see that they turn to run as soon as he pulls the gun, but he still keeps shooting them as they are running. He did react quickly, but he also definitly overreacted here. If they are already running, why whould he shoot them? I would complement him if he stopped shooting as soon as he noticed that they were running, but he keeps shooting even at the guy who is crawling out the door.
Captcha: Lets be serious now

I have a class D security license, and I can tell you that Security Guards are told the same thing that cops are. You only draw your gun if you're going to use it. Once you start shooting, you keep shooting until the target is dead or out of your LOS. There are no other options.

Which is why I feel this is kind of 'eh'. You're only supposed to draw your gun as a last resort (I would say that in this case it's justified because the three guys were armed, BUT did the security guard really have enough time to realize that they were armed? I'm not sure...)

Still, shooting at a guy thats crawling away and obviously not a threat anymore? That is pretty low, even if you are instructed to do that.

 

[BarbaricGoose]

What? Hes being complemented for this? In the video you can clearly see that they turn to run as soon as he pulls the gun, but he still keeps shooting them as they are running. He did react quickly, but he also definitly overreacted here. If they are already running, why whould he shoot them? I would complement him if he stopped shooting as soon as he noticed that they were running, but he keeps shooting even at the guy who is crawling out the door.
Captcha: Lets be serious now

I have a class D security license, and I can tell you that Security Guards are told the same thing that cops are. You only draw your gun if you're going to use it. Once you start shooting, you keep shooting until the target is dead or out of your LOS. There are no other options.

Which is why I feel this is kind of 'eh'. You're only supposed to draw your gun as a last resort (I would say that in this case it's justified because the three guys were armed, BUT did the security guard really have enough time to realize that they were armed? I'm not sure...)

I think it's safe to assume that if a bunch of guys run into a store with ski masks on (Unless it's some sort of "Show off your ski mask" store) they're armed. And if you're not armed, you shouldn't fucking run into a store with a ski mask on.

I think he was completely justified in shooting them, and continuing to shoot until they were gone. I personally would not take any chances if a bunch of masked guys dressed in pitch black trench coats ran into the store I was guarding. I would shoot them until they were dead, gone, or I was out of bullets. My life depends on it, after all.

 

[irmasterlol]

What? Hes being complemented for this? In the video you can clearly see that they turn to run as soon as he pulls the gun, but he still keeps shooting them as they are running. He did react quickly, but he also definitly overreacted here. If they are already running, why whould he shoot them? I would complement him if he stopped shooting as soon as he noticed that they were running, but he keeps shooting even at the guy who is crawling out the door.
Captcha: Lets be serious now

I have a class D security license, and I can tell you that Security Guards are told the same thing that cops are. You only draw your gun if you're going to use it. Once you start shooting, you keep shooting until the target is dead or out of your LOS. There are no other options.

Which is why I feel this is kind of 'eh'. You're only supposed to draw your gun as a last resort (I would say that in this case it's justified because the three guys were armed, BUT did the security guard really have enough time to realize that they were armed? I'm not sure...)

Still, shooting at a guy thats crawling away and obviously not a threat anymore? That is pretty low, even if you are instructed to do that.

How does being on the floor make you no longer a threat? You may be European and therefore unaware of this, but guns still work when you're laying down. For all that guard knew, the failed robber was about to turn around and start shooting back.

 

[Dimitriov]

What? Hes being complemented for this? In the video you can clearly see that they turn to run as soon as he pulls the gun, but he still keeps shooting them as they are running. He did react quickly, but he also definitly overreacted here. If they are already running, why whould he shoot them? I would complement him if he stopped shooting as soon as he noticed that they were running, but he keeps shooting even at the guy who is crawling out the door.
Captcha: Lets be serious now

I have a class D security license, and I can tell you that Security Guards are told the same thing that cops are. You only draw your gun if you're going to use it. Once you start shooting, you keep shooting until the target is dead or out of your LOS. There are no other options.

Which is why I feel this is kind of 'eh'. You're only supposed to draw your gun as a last resort (I would say that in this case it's justified because the three guys were armed, BUT did the security guard really have enough time to realize that they were armed? I'm not sure...)

Still, shooting at a guy thats crawling away and obviously not a threat anymore? That is pretty low, even if you are instructed to do that.

Just because someone is wounded doesn't mean they aren't a threat. That's how guns work: you just gotta pull a trigger.

I'm not saying it would happen in this case, but the philosophy is justified. The security guard could have relaxed... and the wounded man could have rolled over and shot him with another weapon. As a previous poster stated: when you draw a firearm, you use it.

 

[Alexnader]

It's always amazing how bad people are at aiming in combat situations. That guard just starts unloading at those guys yet only one of them is hit and is still able to crawl away. What's the acceptable accuracy for policemen in close quarter combat? 30%? I've heard that figure bandied about.

So it's a testament to both the fragility and determination of the human body as well as the negative effects of stress.

 

[Signa]

If it was anything like that other attempted internet cafe robbery, then this guy did the right thing, no question about it.

Seeing the video shows some guys being stopped before they could actually cause harm, which is admittedly a little off-putting. It's harder to 100% justify shooting someone when their only crime up to that point was acting rowdy with a strange sense of apparel. Do I have any doubt that they were up to no good? None at all.

 

[razer17]

It's always amazing how bad people are at aiming in combat situations. That guard just starts unloading at those guys yet only one of them is hit and is still able to crawl away. What's the acceptable accuracy for policemen in close quarter combat? 30%? I've heard that figure bandied about.

So it's a testament to both the fragility and determination of the human body as well as the negative effects of stress.

Research suggests that accuracy on a firing range and accuracy in real combat are basically unlinked. Basically it's down to the person, if they have the balls to shoot and potentially end a human life. And the guard could have just been laying down fire to make them leave, rather than actively trying to shoot the robbers.


I'm not sure we should celebrate a guy shooting someone else, seems kind of weird to me. Still the guard probably did the right thing.

 

[Kopikatsu]

It's always amazing how bad people are at aiming in combat situations. That guard just starts unloading at those guys yet only one of them is hit and is still able to crawl away. What's the acceptable accuracy for policemen in close quarter combat? 30%? I've heard that figure bandied about.

So it's a testament to both the fragility and determination of the human body as well as the negative effects of stress.

The only accuracy requirement that I know of for any law enforcement position is that you need to be able to hit a target at 40(?) yards with 90+% accuracy to be an Air Marshal.

 

[Da Orky Man]

What? Hes being complemented for this? In the video you can clearly see that they turn to run as soon as he pulls the gun, but he still keeps shooting them as they are running. He did react quickly, but he also definitly overreacted here. If they are already running, why whould he shoot them? I would complement him if he stopped shooting as soon as he noticed that they were running, but he keeps shooting even at the guy who is crawling out the door.
Captcha: Lets be serious now

I have a class D security license, and I can tell you that Security Guards are told the same thing that cops are. You only draw your gun if you're going to use it. Once you start shooting, you keep shooting until the target is dead or out of your LOS. There are no other options.

Which is why I feel this is kind of 'eh'. You're only supposed to draw your gun as a last resort (I would say that in this case it's justified because the three guys were armed, BUT did the security guard really have enough time to realize that they were armed? I'm not sure...)

Still, shooting at a guy thats crawling away and obviously not a threat anymore? That is pretty low, even if you are instructed to do that.

Just because someone is wounded doesn't mean they aren't a threat. That's how guns work: you just gotta pull a trigger.

I'm not saying it would happen in this case, but the philosophy is justified. The security guard could have relaxed... and the wounded man could have rolled over and shot him with another weapon. As a previous poster stated: when you draw a firearm, you use it.

That must be some kind of record. Daystar, you have competition here..

 

[lacktheknack]

What? Hes being complemented for this? In the video you can clearly see that they turn to run as soon as he pulls the gun, but he still keeps shooting them as they are running. He did react quickly, but he also definitly overreacted here. If they are already running, why whould he shoot them? I would complement him if he stopped shooting as soon as he noticed that they were running, but he keeps shooting even at the guy who is crawling out the door.
Captcha: Lets be serious now

I have a class D security license, and I can tell you that Security Guards are told the same thing that cops are. You only draw your gun if you're going to use it. Once you start shooting, you keep shooting until the target is dead or out of your LOS. There are no other options.

Which is why I feel this is kind of 'eh'. You're only supposed to draw your gun as a last resort (I would say that in this case it's justified because the three guys were armed, BUT did the security guard really have enough time to realize that they were armed? I'm not sure...)

Still, shooting at a guy thats crawling away and obviously not a threat anymore? That is pretty low, even if you are instructed to do that.

Just because someone is wounded doesn't mean they aren't a threat. That's how guns work: you just gotta pull a trigger.

I'm not saying it would happen in this case, but the philosophy is justified. The security guard could have relaxed... and the wounded man could have rolled over and shot him with another weapon. As a previous poster stated: when you draw a firearm, you use it.

That must be some kind of record. Daystar, you have competition here..

It's not a Daystar-derail, though. Not enough He-Man/Nathan Fillion/Gangnam Style/Nathan Fillion playing Gangnam Style He-Man.

 

[Alexnader]

It's always amazing how bad people are at aiming in combat situations. That guard just starts unloading at those guys yet only one of them is hit and is still able to crawl away. What's the acceptable accuracy for policemen in close quarter combat? 30%? I've heard that figure bandied about.

So it's a testament to both the fragility and determination of the human body as well as the negative effects of stress.

Research suggests that accuracy on a firing range and accuracy in real combat are basically unlinked. Basically it's down to the person, if they have the balls to shoot and potentially end a human life. And the guard could have just been laying down fire to make them leave, rather than actively trying to shoot the robbers.


I'm not sure we should celebrate a guy shooting someone else, seems kind of weird to me. Still the guard probably did the right thing.

I'm not celebrating it as such, just commenting on the frequent disconnect between shooting as shown in pop-culture and shooting in real life. This kind of justice porn is far less entertaining than the less harmful ones like the people failing to throw themselves in front of cars for the insurance.

It's always amazing how bad people are at aiming in combat situations. That guard just starts unloading at those guys yet only one of them is hit and is still able to crawl away. What's the acceptable accuracy for policemen in close quarter combat? 30%? I've heard that figure bandied about.

So it's a testament to both the fragility and determination of the human body as well as the negative effects of stress.

The only accuracy requirement that I know of for any law enforcement position is that you need to be able to hit a target at 40(?) yards with 90+% accuracy to be an Air Marshal.

Nice, that's ~36 meters. When's an air marshall ever going to be shooting at someone at that range? Now you've got me picturing shootouts happening between two different Boeing 747s.

 

[Kopikatsu]

It's always amazing how bad people are at aiming in combat situations. That guard just starts unloading at those guys yet only one of them is hit and is still able to crawl away. What's the acceptable accuracy for policemen in close quarter combat? 30%? I've heard that figure bandied about.

So it's a testament to both the fragility and determination of the human body as well as the negative effects of stress.

The only accuracy requirement that I know of for any law enforcement position is that you need to be able to hit a target at 40(?) yards with 90+% accuracy to be an Air Marshal.

Nice, that's ~36 meters. When's an air marshall ever going to be shooting at someone at that range? Now you've got me picturing shootouts happening between two different Boeing 747s.

Well, the question mark is because I don't remember the distance, just that they need over 90+% accuracy for whatever distance they're trained for. Which is good, because if they miss then everyone is fucked.

 

[Zykon TheLich_v1legacy]

Nice, that's ~36 meters. When's an air marshall ever going to be shooting at someone at that range? Now you've got me picturing shootouts happening between two different Boeing 747s.

If 2 different Boeing 747s are 36m apart I think bullets are the least of your worries ;p (unless they're sitting parked on the ground).

 

[Valanthe]

I'm thinking this guy has training, it's not uncommon for security guards, especially licensed ones to be ex-military or ex-police, which would explain his cool head under duress, and his admittedly insanely quick reaction time.

To the point, I play airsoft a lot, and if someone barrelled in on me like that, I can be absolutely certain I would not be able to draw and fire my weapon in that time, so props to that guy.

I'll need to watch the video again, to see how he moves, I can't tell if he is moving for cover, or to try and get a better shot, that could be a good tell on whether he has previous combat training.

Catcha: Be my friend?

Umm, did I just get friend-zoned by the Captcha? That hurts...

-edit- upon watching the video a few times, I'm thinking he -definitely- has had training

 

[Roggen Bread]

Guy either has nerves of steel, or some sort of mental condition that doesn't let him be surprised. $10 says most of us would have still been sitting there with our mouths hanging open, in the time it took this guy to send them packing.

This just comes with the job.

Police Officers, Paramedics, nurses, ER-staff and so on have a drastically reduced moment of shock and a faster reaction time in situations like these.

I have worked for a year in an ER and it's pretty astonishing in what matter this changes. In the first couple of weeks it always took my like 5 or 10 seconds longer to evaluate a situation and react based on that than my older and female colleauges.

After like two months I was even faster than them due to being male, younger and having trained reflexes from martial arts.

Also this ability is by now mostly or even completely atrophied, since my time time in the ER is 2 years back. So it really just is a matter of training and experience.

Of course, there are that cliché donut munching fatsos who have the reaction of a glacier, but if you are only kinda motivated this is normal.