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shootthebandit

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Ive never really got into LoTR. I tried watching it as a kid and just lost interest (possibly due to the length) and fell asleep. Ever since ive always associated it with that moment however now that im older i think im a lot more patient and probably able to understand whats going on

I know most of you are LoTR fans (I would assume) and I thought it would be a good challenge to overcome my childhood association with the series and try and sell it to me and convince me to watch them all and possibly even the hobbit ones too.

If I do watch them all ill let you guys know what I think

Please go easy on me
 

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I thought you were going to talk about the books. The movies are pretty viewer-friendly, they condense a great deal of history and events into a fun, action-packed blockbuster without ever losing the wonder or complexity of the original tale. Top notch adaptation work.
 

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I don't know if anyone can really sell them to you. All I can say is, try watching the movies and see if it holds your interest better than last time. If not, oh well. I was thrilled to go see them back when they first released, because my mum had the read the books to my siblings and I, when I was little.
 

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What's your Zip/Postal code and your credit card info? I can have it shipped in 5-10 business days.
 

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It's going to be a hard sell now, because nearly all fantasy movies released after LotR have tried to copy it (even The Hobbit). And so a lot of what made it so special has been soured somewhat due to other films in the genre wearing its skin so shamelessly. Also, CGI armies have been so overdone as well that a lot of the big battle sequences in the movie have lost some of their scope.

But anyway, it's a terrific fantasy adventure epic with wonderful, and likeable characters that have great chemistry. You could even just watch it for Ian McKellen who owns the role of Gandalf. It still has some of the most stellar visuals of any movie, with a perfect mix of CGI, prosthectics, minitures, and good old fashion camera trickery. And it has a score to die for by Howard Shore.

The Hobbit is not very good though.
 

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geK0 said:
What's your Zip/Postal code and your credit card info? I can have it shipped in 5-10 business days.
My name is Joe Soap

My address is:
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Bath

My card no. Is 12345678910
 

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The movies are very long, heck, the extended versions make a 12 hour marathon (enough time to watch almost all of the 6 Star Wars films!), but they are extremely well made and wonderful adaptations of the novels. I'm sure some of the CGI and such will seem a bit dated, since MANY films have aped the LotR style since then, but they're well worth a watch.
 

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I haven't seen the Hobbit and my brother, whose opinion on films I agree with almost 100% of the time, felt that it has been inferior to LoTR thus far, so I can't comment on that. As for LoTR, however, it's a very well-crafted (war more well-crafted than one could expect from the decent-but-not-excellent director Peter Jackson) film with excellent cinematography, a wonderful soundtrack, pretty interesting characters, solid writing, and some pretty epic action scenes. It's also one of the few major Hollywood films in recent memory that uses wide shots effectively, albeit this is made easier by New Zealand's gorgeous landscapes and some excellent CGI work during the battles. I think now that you're older you'll appreciate the more subtle charm in the characters and sets. I remember the first time I saw the first film, I was pretty bored during the Shire scenes, but years later, I rewatched it and really saw how charming and beautiful they were.

shootthebandit said:
Ive never really got into LoTR. I tried watching it as a kid and just lost interest (possibly due to the length) and fell asleep.
I think this might play a large role in your hesitance to try it again. I first tried Mass Effect in early high school and feel asleep in the introductory mission (in my defense, I found out later that I have narcolepsy), and for years I had the unspoken belief that Mass Effect was boring. I think falling asleep while doing something must add a "boring" tag to the activity in one's memory, even if deep down you know that you didn't give it a proper chance. It took three years before I gave Mass Effect another try, and the second time around I loved it.
 

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shootthebandit said:
geK0 said:
What's your Zip/Postal code and your credit card info? I can have it shipped in 5-10 business days.
My name is Joe Soap

My address is:
123
bubble street
Bath

My card no. Is 12345678910
Is this some kind of elaborate wash joke? or is shootthebandit being a bit rude???

I don't think anyone should have to sell this to you dude. But we can find out whether you will like it with one simple question.
Do you like High Fantasy (elves/orcs/swords):-

Yes I do: Great go watch it. Its the best fantasy out there.
No I don't: Well don't bother then.
 

shootthebandit

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verdant monkai said:
shootthebandit said:
geK0 said:
What's your Zip/Postal code and your credit card info? I can have it shipped in 5-10 business days.
My name is Joe Soap

My address is:
123
bubble street
Bath

My card no. Is 12345678910
Is this some kind of elaborate wash joke? or is shootthebandit being a bit rude???
Its just a generic fake name and address people in the UK use. Bath is actually a place in the UK

Im kinda into fantasy stuff. Not a big RPG fan because im not keen on grind but in general id say im neutral when it comes to fantasy. If its good i like it if not i dont (like everything else)

I think what put me off was that its very dialogue heavy. As an adult im more patient and will pick up on the dialogue.
 

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The movies? Don't bother. The only thing they come close to getting accurate is a visual representation of Middle Earth. However, they're travesties as adaptations, faithful only on a basic plot level.
Tom Bombadil, Glorfindel, Anduril, Gifts from the Galadhrim, Aragorn's coma, Elves at Hornburg, the voice of Saruman, Faramir taking Frodo and Sam to the Osgiliath, and the final fucking battle in the War of the Ring.


Just read the books.
 

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At this point it's easy to recommend it for the same reason one might recommend the books: see them just to be able to say you've seen them if nothing else. It might not be for you, but it's something you're kinda expected to have seen. It's the Citizen Kane of fantasy cinema. The LOTR movies changed the way major blockbusters are made.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
It's going to be a hard sell now, because nearly all fantasy movies released after LotR have tried to copy it
but Narnia and Alice and in wonderland never came close..and big fantasy movies arent really much of a thing...
 

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Why would I sell it to you? I don't want to part with my copies....

BA DUM TISH!

Sorry...

Anyway, the movies are exceptionally well done. They are quite thrilling even though the first one takes a while for things to get going (excluding the prologue). A really awesome thing about the movies is that they don't use nearly as much CGI as you'd think. Their orcs or done with make-up and they use a lot of practical effects in general. This helps suck you into the world IMO (something that hasn't really happened for me with the Hobbit movies since they use SOOOO much CGI). What else.... the soundtrack is fantastic, the movie actually adds more depth to the characters (specifically Aragorn and his struggle with his royal birth -in the books, he doesn't really go through much of a struggle as far as whether or not he wants to be king). The acting is very well done (Ian Mckellen even received an Oscar nomination for the first one).

madwarper said:
The movies? Don't bother. The only thing they come close to getting accurate is a visual representation of Middle Earth. However, they're travesties as adaptations, faithful only on a basic plot level.
Tom Bombadil, Glorfindel, Anduril, Gifts from the Galadhrim, Aragorn's coma, Elves at Hornburg, the voice of Saruman, Faramir taking Frodo and Sam to the Osgiliath, and the final fucking battle in the War of the Ring.


Just read the books.
While I agree that he should definitely read the books (they are even better than the movies), the exclusions and changes didn't really bother me that much. The only one that pissed me off was in the extended edition of RotK when the Witch King makes Gandalf his *****. Fuck that! Gandalf would have shit on him. They never actually fight in book, the Witch King just pansies off because Rohan arrives. I keep telling myself that it's just an adaptation and I shouldn't expect it to go with the book on everything, but that one scene pisses me off every time I see it.
 

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The reasons for LOTR's greatness are fairly uninteresting; it's beautifully directed, wonderfully acted, expertly paced and masterfully written.

Lord of the Rings is essentially the template from which the majority of modern fantasy draws, weather it imitates that template or subverts it, there is a persistent unspoken assumption that everyone who watches or reads fantasy knows the basic story of Lord of the Rings.

Lord of the Rings has become the quintessential epic in the same way that Star Wars has become the quintessential hero's journey; they're the most primeval human narratives manifested in their purist form with great skill.

So I'm at a loss at how to sell you LOTR without going down the list of story telling 101's, but I'll try.

I suppose the first thing I would point out about Lord of the Rings is that it's immersive in a way that few films are; the opening is technically nothing but exposition, but every detail of middle earth is so rich and so well presented that you don't notice; LOTR has such a mastery of tone and is so wonderfully acted that it can communicate important details to you without saying a thing.

When you first see Bilbo with the ring, you know right away that it's bad news, when you first meet Aragorn, you know he's more than he says he is despite the fact that all he does is chastise the Hobbits about drawing attention to themselves and tell us about the Ring Wraiths.

This mastery of tone permeates the entirety of the story; you won't care how many times you think you've heard the story of good VS evil before, you have never seen it as clearly as you do know.

All of these things would make for a good ride, but not a profound story; that comes to us in the form of the stories primary theme; friendship and hope. These are two things that are so often thrown into otherwise bland stories to try and lend them weight, but LOTR understands how these things really work.

That tone I mentioned earlier is often very ominous; LOTR may be high fantasy but it is marred by none of the predictability that is typical of the genre. LOTR body count is actually very low, but you find yourself so attached to the characters, so involved in their struggle, that you can never escape the dread that even one of them might not make it to the end of the journey.

This is owed to two things; one is the acting, which is wonderful across the board, with Sir Ian McKellen as Ganbalf, Sean Bean as Boromir and Sean Astin as Samwise "the Brave" Gamgee being my personal favorites (The latter of which is also my favorite character).

The other is that all important tone I talked about; you can't help but find yourself attached to these characters whom you share so many adventures with. You become involved if only because they are the catalyst with which you experience the depth and quality of the setting. You attachment to them is compounded by the heartwarming courage and loyalty they show in the face of danger.

The characters in LOTR could be considered broad, but they are so sincere that you require almost no information about them to bond with them; just as the world is vivid enough to feel like a real place, the bonds the characters share feel genuine.

So I've described the way that LOTR engages you emotionally, and that is honestly it's primary form of engagement; you'll spend so much time in awe of the setting and dreading the fates of the characters that you won't have time to stop and think about what all this means; thankfully, the movie just tells you. LOTR does more that showcase the bonds of friendship and the need for hope, it allows you to experience them.

LOTR rings is a story about the strength and beauty of the human spirit; it admits that everyone is corruptible, and that evil is an ever present force, but it illustrates that within every human there is something fundamentally pure that darkness can't touch, that our constant struggle for survival is justified and worthwhile.

Lord of the Rings paints a picture of the very essence of hope, why we need and why it's worth having.

"There is some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for"

P.S: The Hobbit movies are okay, if you fall in love with the originals, you'll be happy just to get back to Middle Earth, but they have yet to even approach the quality of the original trilogy, though I personally never expected them to.

EDIT: By the by, if you think you have the attention span for it, see the extended versions; there is some stuff thrown in that doesn't need to be there, but there are some real gems to.
 

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madwarper said:
The movies? Don't bother. The only thing they come close to getting accurate is a visual representation of Middle Earth. However, they're travesties as adaptations, faithful only on a basic plot level.
Tom Bombadil, Glorfindel, Anduril, Gifts from the Galadhrim, Aragorn's coma, Elves at Hornburg, the voice of Saruman, Faramir taking Frodo and Sam to the Osgiliath, and the final fucking battle in the War of the Ring.


Just read the books.
Oh thank goodness. I was reading on and on and wondering when someone would just say: Read the Books.

As for the movie? the best "sale" pitch I can come up with is it's a great shortcut if you're unwilling to even consider reading the books, which are excellent. The movies are also excellent, but they do leave quite a few elements that make the story weave stronger and more impressive and there are quite a few substitutions that purists (such as myself) disagree with in terms of the presentation of certain characters that were better portrayed in the text than they are on the screen. Faramir being one of the outstanding examples, with King Theoden - who both have wholly different flavor and thus add differently to the overall story in the books than they do in the movies.

Basically, bottom line, the horrid "TLDR" version: it's required reading for fantasy lovers because it set and maintains the standard in that genre.
 

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Vault101 said:
Casual Shinji said:
It's going to be a hard sell now, because nearly all fantasy movies released after LotR have tried to copy it
but Narnia and Alice and in wonderland never came close.
They certainly didn't, but that didn't stop them from trying... ad nauseam.

and big fantasy movies arent really much of a thing...
Really?! Because as I remember both LotR and Harry Potter made big fantasy movies very much a thing. Now it's becoming more about the young adult novel adaptations, but before that every damn book that in some way mentioned magic got a movie version in the hopes of getting some of that sweet LotR and Harry Potter cash.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
Really?! Because as I remember both LotR and Harry Potter made big fantasy movies very much a thing. Now it's becoming more about the young adult novel adaptations, but before that every damn book that in some way mentioned magic got a movie version in the hopes of getting some of that sweet LotR and Harry Potter cash.
I guess I just don't remember them.....

I should mean big high fantasy movies...Harry potter while around at the same time as LOTR I don't think warrants much comparison because it was a juggernaut in its own right
 

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Vault101 said:
Casual Shinji said:
Really?! Because as I remember both LotR and Harry Potter made big fantasy movies very much a thing. Now it's becoming more about the young adult novel adaptations, but before that every damn book that in some way mentioned magic got a movie version in the hopes of getting some of that sweet LotR and Harry Potter cash.
I guess I just don't remember them.....

I should mean big high fantasy movies...Harry potter while around at the same time as LOTR I don't think warrants much comparison because it was a juggernaut in its own right
Most of it was due to Harry Potter's succes, but since LotR there was definately an incline of fantasy movies that played up the whole "EPIC" feel. Very few fantasy movies during that time had that intimate feel of older movies, like Neverending Story or Labyrinth.