SEX!!!

[ThrobbingEgo]

To wait for someone who she feels is worthy, it's not such a foolish thing.

Actually, thinking that sex is about being 'worthy' or not is a foolish thing. Especially the obsession with virginity and the first time and blah blah blah.

Considering the first time can be awful enough to put people off sex, and that for a woman, sex for the first few times hurts, I wouldn't say being careful about it is anything but foolish.

@Cheeze_Pavilion: By worthy, I meant (at least) patient and caring. We can have standards, yes?

Sure, but I wouldn't call that 'worthy' that's just like, being decent or polite. We want the same things in our driving instructors, but I wouldn't go around using the term 'worthy' for someone who can teach a person how to drive without upsetting them.

Worthy has some bad connotations that I didn't intend. Can we leave that as poor word choice on my part?

 

[Nmil-ek]

You have plenty of time to convince yourself sex isnt important in a relationship anymore thats called marrage.

 

[savandicus]

Why just because something is special does it mean it should only be shared with your life long partner?

Becuase if you sleep with every person you speak to it wouldnt be special anymore.

You're assuming a heteronormative view of sex. Lesbians lost their doddle when they turned it into a clitoris in the womb, but they can still have sex.

I'm using classical stereotypes as an example, and lesbians still have their sexual organs intact so can still pleasure eachother which can be called sex. However a hetrosexual man whos lost his john thomas can no longer have sex due to lacking sexual organs.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

You have plenty of time to convince yourself sex isnt important in a relationship anymore thats called marrage.

No, that's called breaking up.

 

[Nmil-ek]

You have plenty of time to convince yourself sex isnt important in a relationship anymore thats called marrage.

No, that's called breaking up.

Touché

 

[Xanadeas]

Why just because something is special does it mean it should only be shared with your life long partner?

Becuase if you sleep with every person you speak to it wouldnt be special anymore.

You're assuming a heteronormative view of sex. Lesbians lost their doddle when they turned it into a clitoris in the womb, but they can still have sex.

I'm using classical stereotypes as an example, and lesbians still have their sexual organs intact so can still pleasure eachother which can be called sex. However a hetrosexual man whos lost his john thomas can no longer have sex due to lacking sexual organs.

That's not quite true. The man still has a tongue and fingers and numerous other bodily parts that could be useful in sexual acts. Just because you don't have sexual organs it doesn't mean you can not have sex. ;P Humans are quite inventive. 'Besides isn't that what strap ons are for? People that lack a particular sexual organ? XD

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

It's obviously very complicated and you can use whatever words you want, but in short: there's a difference between requiring someone to meet one of your subjective tastes and requiring them to meet some objective criterion.

Tastes can be criteria - but you'd hope that personality, character, and competency would be higher on the list than a specific eye colour.

Then again, I like the twisted Adult Swim humor.

 

[Avatar Roku]

Why just because something is special does it mean it should only be shared with your life long partner?

Becuase if you sleep with every person you speak to it wouldnt be special anymore.

You're assuming a heteronormative view of sex. Lesbians lost their doddle when they turned it into a clitoris in the womb, but they can still have sex.

I'm using classical stereotypes as an example, and lesbians still have their sexual organs intact so can still pleasure eachother which can be called sex. However a hetrosexual man whos lost his john thomas can no longer have sex due to lacking sexual organs.

No one's suggesting that one goes out and has sex with everyone, just that it's possible to be in a long-term, committed relationship (that isn't marriage), where you can have sex without demeaning it.

Also, why John Thomas?

 

[Xanadeas]

To wait for someone who she feels is worthy, it's not such a foolish thing.

Actually, thinking that sex is about being 'worthy' or not is a foolish thing. Especially the obsession with virginity and the first time and blah blah blah.

Considering the first time can be awful enough to put people off sex, and that for a woman, sex for the first few times hurts, I wouldn't say being careful about it is anything but foolish.

By worthy, I meant (at least) patient and caring. We can have standards, yes?

No! You must go out and sleep with the nearest available crack whore and contract gonareasyphlaids. D:< But in all seriousness people have standards because they find different things attractive. Me? I like brown hair, blue eyes, and people that don't enjoy most of the garbage run by Adult Swim on cartoon network. Some people however have very very low standards or none at all. Some have standards that are in reality impossible to meet. It's really all a matter of perspective.

Liking brown hair and blue eyes is a *preference*: something you like in another person that doesn't say anything about the person--my guess is you don't find people with blonde hair and brown eyes to be less 'human' or something.

Liking people that don't enjoy most of the garbage run by Adult Swim on cartoon network is a *standard*: something you require of someone that you feel says something about their character.

It's obviously very complicated and you can use whatever words you want, but in short: there's a difference between requiring someone to meet one of your subjective tastes and requiring them to meet some objective criterion.

Poor word choice on my part. (Seems common in this thread). What I was simply trying to get at is that everyone's got standards to some degree or another.

 

[Erana]

I just don't understand what the argument is about in the first place. These are my opinions.

The issue is you're arguing like your opinions are valid for *everyone*

I admit, I have abused the word "fact" in my arguments multiple times now. In fact, I've been horribly out of bounds on multiple occasions here. I type as I speak, and I can get carried away at times. And no, I cannot truely form an opinion on the act of sex, but I can form an opinion on the social effects of sex.

People are so defensive about the topic, though. People formulate opinions about murder all the time without having actually committed it. Killing is also a part of what got us here, isn't it? It is anthropologically fascinating to see people so vigorously defending something so... Well, I don't have permission to describe it, apparently, but still. From an anthropological aspect, at least.
I mean, where did the idea of sex in proximity to an intimate relationship come in the first place?

And really, the best part about this is that we're having this sort of conversation on a gaming forum.
Watch multiple people interpret this a host of different ways, none of which I originally intended.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

That's not quite true. The man still has a tongue and fingers and numerous other bodily parts that could be useful in sexual acts. Just because you don't have sexual organs it doesn't mean you can not have sex. ;P Humans are quite inventive. 'Besides isn't that what strap ons are for? People that lack a particular sexual organ? XD

Oral sex would still be quite possible.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

I took a course on women's biology. It was disgusting. And I wasn't talking about being repulsed by intimacy or the creation of life, I was talking about the fact that you would compare something to hard drugs.

wow you took a course, doesn't mean you have any knowledge or idea what it really is like

And sex is rarely a fit of passion. Don't lie to yourself and say such things. From what I have found from second-hand sources that don't rose-tint everything, its not really that great. It is about eleven minutes worth of something that may or may not be pleasurable, and is often awkward. Our society has further laden sex with shame, and you may have well ruined the relationship you once had with someone you care about. And people don't always have sex for sex, it is a filler, an attempt to deal with real life problems, much akin to worry-eating or drinking away one's cares.

wow i honestly can't say how wrong that whole paragraph is. first of you have no first hand knowledge, that is the main thing wrong with this. i could tell go on and tell you how great being in a warzone is and how fun it is to blow the hell out of the enemy, however it doesn't make you an expert on warzones or even know what it's like.

as for saying it's not a fit of passion is just plain wrong. it's one of the few things in human action that isn't just one emotion, it's much like one of it's vernacular derivatives and is a very versatile action.

this actually brings to mind a family guy quote that i will paraphrase for you

"did any of your sources ever have sex they'd consider consensual?"

And I didn't mean that anyone who says that sex is great is wrong, I meant that... Well, the people I've found who are honest about sex have explained to me their experiences. The first time was so awkward, they had a hard time figuring out what really stimulated them, things like that.

well i'm going to have to use a well known analogy here and that is riding a bike.

see when you first got on a bike without the training wheels and rode it, you couldn't do it very well and probly fell down and hurt yourself a lot. so because some people have told you that riding a bike the first time is a bit awkward, you've now said "well i'm never going to ride a bike cause it will be odd the first time and i won't ever get better"

EVERYONE here will tell you that the first time they had sex it was a bit odd, heck i'm sure they will also say that with every new partner it's a bit odd until you find out what the person likes and their dos and don'ts

I hope you realise that my second-hand sources are at least +35, most in their fourties?

i'm also going to say that most of those "expert" sources were female. i've noticed that the most of the women in that age range all say how bad sex is and most of the time it's as much their fault as their partner's although they like to blame their partners cause the guy "should just know" which is WRONG

I don't do highschool, and the act of sex itself lasts anywhere between seven and fifteen minutes, with the rest being physical intamacy and possible later sessions of copulation.

yeah why don't you just go have some sex and then see how long it lasts. sex isn't just the act of penetration, it's also the foreplay and everything leading up to it the act of penetration and ends when you both stop doing it to go do whatever

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

To wait for someone who she feels is worthy, it's not such a foolish thing.

Actually, thinking that sex is about being 'worthy' or not is a foolish thing. Especially the obsession with virginity and the first time and blah blah blah.

Considering the first time can be awful enough to put people off sex, and that for a woman, sex for the first few times hurts, I wouldn't say being careful about it is anything but foolish.

By worthy, I meant (at least) patient and caring. We can have standards, yes?

No! You must go out and sleep with the nearest available crack whore and contract gonareasyphlaids. D:< But in all seriousness people have standards because they find different things attractive. Me? I like brown hair, blue eyes, and people that don't enjoy most of the garbage run by Adult Swim on cartoon network. Some people however have very very low standards or none at all. Some have standards that are in reality impossible to meet. It's really all a matter of perspective.

Sounds like I'm your dream woman ;P

If only he wasn't gay...

 

[Xanadeas]

That's not quite true. The man still has a tongue and fingers and numerous other bodily parts that could be useful in sexual acts. Just because you don't have sexual organs it doesn't mean you can not have sex. ;P Humans are quite inventive. 'Besides isn't that what strap ons are for? People that lack a particular sexual organ? XD

Oral sex would still be quite possible.

Exactly.

To wait for someone who she feels is worthy, it's not such a foolish thing.

Actually, thinking that sex is about being 'worthy' or not is a foolish thing. Especially the obsession with virginity and the first time and blah blah blah.

Considering the first time can be awful enough to put people off sex, and that for a woman, sex for the first few times hurts, I wouldn't say being careful about it is anything but foolish.

By worthy, I meant (at least) patient and caring. We can have standards, yes?

No! You must go out and sleep with the nearest available crack whore and contract gonareasyphlaids. D:< But in all seriousness people have standards because they find different things attractive. Me? I like brown hair, blue eyes, and people that don't enjoy most of the garbage run by Adult Swim on cartoon network. Some people however have very very low standards or none at all. Some have standards that are in reality impossible to meet. It's really all a matter of perspective.

Sounds like I'm your dream woman ;P

Shame I only go for men. XD Except one chick... I'd go straight for her. <3 *Edit* Scamola beat me to it. XD

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

I just don't understand what the argument is about in the first place. These are my opinions.

The issue is you're arguing like your opinions are valid for *everyone*

I admit, I have abused the word "fact" in my arguments multiple times now. I type as I speak. And no, I cannot truely form an opinion on the act of sex, but I can form an opinion on the social effects of sex.

People are so defensive about sex. People formulate opinions about murder all the time without having actually committed it. Killing is also a part of what got us here, isn't it? It is anthropologically fascinating to see people so vigorously defending something so... Well, I don't have permission to describe it, apparently, but still. From an anthropological aspect, at least.
I mean, where did the idea of sex in proximity to an intimate relationship come in the first place?

From an anthropological perspective, perhaps you're cataloging sex in a way that some would call "ethnocentric."

Maybe it's not as savage as you think.

 

[Sovvolf]

Well for some bizzare reason I cannot seem to be able to qoute any one so ile just have to hope he/She see's this lol, Erana you'll probably change your mind about sex as soon as you've had it, I used to think like you, But once I had it well kinda changed my mind about it lol. I dont know why becuase I'm no scientist but people seem to act more mature once they lose there viginity.