Should gaming, as a medium, take itself more serious?

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vercardo

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So, last week TotalHalibut posted his WTF is...? of Far Cry: Blood Dragon. In the video he stated that gaming shouldn't take itself so serious, as it had done with Far Cry 3, and should strive to provide shorter, less serious content without moral lessons in the story and so forth, as did Blood Dragon.

As long as we are talking about the content of the games, I feel he is right. Not every game has to be an intimate, tragic drama or a grand exposition on the human condition. Just like movies, there are the occasional grand and genius classics, but it's also nice to have your good old action flicks that are just there to entertain. Games need good mechanics and a solid, fun playthrough, that's all they need to be enjoyable and to provide an experience to the player. Nothing wrong there I think.

However, it does seem that one needs to make a distinction between the content of the game, and gaming as a medium. And when we talk about gaming as a medium, I don't think it's a bad thing for gaming to take gaming serious. Of course, video games are still games. And games will always be 'just games'. It's exactly what a game is, it's 'just a game'. But sometimes I wonder if gaming owes it to itself and society to try and be more than 'just a game'.

I'm not talking about gaming considering itself an art form or anything like that. Just gaming taking itself serious, for its own sake. For gamers to strive to enjoy something more than just shooting aliens and fancy graphics; For the gaming industry to consider it to be more than just a cash grab. For society to consider it to be more than just a lazy way of passing the time. If only so there can be proper discussions about gaming, instead of dick-weaving contests. (Yes, I'm writing this with last week's Jimquisition on gender issues in mind) You can't have a serious discussion about games if you don't take gaming, or the gamers themselves, serious and if they don't take themselves serious.

And although there is a distinction between the content of the game and gaming as a medium, can you always think the two apart? A musician and his music are two different things, but our perception of one will always influence the other. The same goes for gaming. There is nothing wrong with producing enjoyable content, but when that content is produced with a 'It's just a game'-mentality, the results are going to be disappointing I feel.
 

chozo_hybrid

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Why can't we have both, seriously. There are serious games and silly games, just like movies, music, books etc.
 

piinyouri

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chozo_hybrid said:
Why can't we have both, seriously. There are serious games and silly games, just like movies, music, books etc.
Yup, this is my feelings on the matter as well.

I don't want only serious games, and I don't want only silly games.

I don't want only shooters, and I don't want no shooters.
It applies to everything and anything with me really.
I just want diversity, and variance, and different choices.
 

oplinger

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Come on man, we take ourselves pretty seriously. I mean, really serious in some cases.

however, as said above, why can't we have both? Seriously.
 

TehCookie

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Like any other medium there is room for both tasteful and art along with simply entertaining. Though taking gaming seriously is different from classic mediums. Take DMC3 or MGR for example, both take the gaming part of the game extremely seriously and have amazing gameplay. However the other parts like the story are for fun. Sometimes I feel the need for gamers to be accepted by other media makes gamers judge games on the wrong criteria.
 

chozo_hybrid

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piinyouri said:
chozo_hybrid said:
Why can't we have both, seriously. There are serious games and silly games, just like movies, music, books etc.
Yup, this is my feelings on the matter as well.

I don't want only serious games, and I don't want only silly games.

I don't want only shooters, and I don't want no shooters.
It applies to everything and anything with me really.
I just want diversity, and variance, and different choices.
Thanks for the backup :D Also good to see plenty of people have the same idea in mind as well.

A world with only one kind of game where there could and should be many, is a world I don't want to live in.
 

King Billi

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I think the perception of "gaming" as some kind of singular entity is what really needs to change, the familiar stance that we're all in this together and that we have some kind of responsibility to the medium to present some kind of respectable image for the rest of society is just wrong because we aren't one united community here at all, despite what people believe games cover a vast variety of different tastes and we all choose to play them for our own reasons.

Some people certainly do see the medium as an important creative force worthy of analysis and serious discussion but alot of people are just in it for the fun and they shouldn't have to to feel like they need to justify that to anyone. The attitude which takes such different titles like "Angry Birds", "Call of Duty" and "The Walking Dead" and lumps them all together as the same thing is what needs to be changed.

"Gaming" dosen't owe it to anyone to be more than "just a game" it should only be whatever the hell a specific developer or player wants it to be and it's up to them and society to recognise what within that can be taken "seriously" and what can be taken as just good old plain fun.

Edit: Oh! By the way welcome to the forum...
 

IllumInaTIma

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Oh for God's sake, again?

There are enough place for both! We can have Katamari Damaci with Spec Ops: The Line. We can have Plants vs. Zombies with Persona 3 and 4. We can have Far Cry: Blood Dragon with Witcher, alright?! Just like movies can have Space Balls with The Last Samurai and The Mask with Inception. Case closed.
 

Guffe

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Welcome to the Escapist OP

and as most have stated, we have a few serious games and then we have less serious games, stick to the ones you like :D
 

FalloutJack

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Long story short, no I do not. They're games. If they were serious business, they wouldn't be fun anymore.
 

sanquin

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Imo it should start with game devs growing more of a backbone, and not backing out of potentially, maybe slightly 'offensive' material because of some complaining parents. Like a very, VERY mild erotic scene in an M/R rated game getting cut out. (just awake, only example I could think of atm.)

And imo there are plenty of non-serious games. It just happens that most of those are made in the indie scene. AAA companies could learn from them a little.
 

Teoes

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Most people already replying have misunderstood the OP's question. He's not asking about games themselves. He's asking about gaming as a medium. Taking the two separately can be tricky but I hope I understand the distinction.

I'd say gaming as a medium could do with acting in a more adult manner. That's not to say more serious though, like super serial all the time. Adults can still be pretty silly; but they act like adults and shouldn't be acting like petulant spoiled children - which is what the medium too often acts like.
 

Mr.Cynic88

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I think gaming does take itself seriously. Of course, it's now a massive industry similar to Hollywood, and as a result, is almost solely focused on the bottom-line. Still, the people who actually craft the games are highly passionate and care about what they do.

Right now developers are figuring out the best way to engage in their art and also sustain themselves. I have high hopes for the next console generation as it looks like Sony's console will have a serious focus on games.
 

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vercardo said:
As long as we are talking about the content of the games, I feel he is right. Not every game has to be an intimate, tragic drama or a grand exposition on the human condition. Just like movies, there are the occasional grand and genius classics, but it's also nice to have your good old action flicks that are just there to entertain. Games need good mechanics and a solid, fun playthrough, that's all they need to be enjoyable and to provide an experience to the player. Nothing wrong there I think.
Gaming isn't lacking in it's less serious, pop-corn action flicks equivalents - and I'm tired of people saying Blood Dragon was great because it's wasn't serious. It was great because it was a love-letter to all the now-bizarre action tropes of the 80's. Of course it's silly, but being silly is just and effect, not the cause.

As for gaming as a whole - it already does take itself pretty seriously. Or, perhaps more accurately, just as seriously as other forms of entertainment. I'm not really sure there's much discussion to be had here, OP.
 

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You seem to have inverse cartman disorder. Sometimes you want to you use seriously. Anyway...


It's not a question of gaming taking itself seriously or not.

- "For gamers to strive to enjoy something more than just shooting aliens and fancy graphics"
They do? There's a reason everyone said Telltale's walking dead is awesome. As for graphic making something a success, look at minecraft, or freaking runescape or whatever. Some (stupid) developers think that way but it's not really endemic in the industry.

- "For the gaming industry to consider it to be more than just a cash grab"
I think EA and Activision take milking their franchises to death very seriously already. But lets' not generalise Valve and Irrational and Frictional and everyone else into that category too.
 

Smooth Operator

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Claiming it hasto be serious is the same as claiming it hasto be for kids... absurd.
Mediums are not products, you do not make it to be one or the other they just exist as a sum of all the products that come, some of them will be silly, some serious, some disgusting, some disturbing, some retarded, some illegal, some childish,...

The only problem in this is people not acknowledging something as a full fledged medium and trying to apply new restrictions that do not exist anywhere else.
 

BloodSquirrel

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I'd like to see gaming take itself more seriously behind the scenes. If you're going to make something light-hearted, make it light-hearted. If you're going to make it serious, don't make it so offensively stupid because "it's a game", and who cares if the plot is ridiculous and intellectually sterile, just look at those set pieces!