Should the overweight pay more for airfare?

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VivaciousDeimos

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This may be an...interesting discussion, but here goes:

I stumbled across this article over at MSN, [a href=http://now.msn.com/living/0313-overweight-airline-passengers.aspx] the short version being that if you're charged more for heavy baggage, you should be charged more for being heavier[/a], after all the plane doesn't care where the extra weight is coming from, and fuel costs need to be made up somehow.

The [a href=http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/singer84/English]idea[/a] comes from Peter Singer, who I don't always agree with on his other views, but that's an entirely different can of ethical worms. He argues in this case that people over a certain weight, roughly 220lbs, should pay a surcharge, and people weighing 110lbs or under should be given a discount.

Another option, he argues, would be "to set a standard weight for passengers and luggage, and then ask people to get on the scales with their luggage. That would have the advantage of avoiding embarrassment for those who do not wish to reveal their weight."

He also adds, "Friends with whom I discuss this proposal often say that many obese people cannot help being overweight--they just have a different metabolism from the rest of us. But the point of a surcharge for extra weight is not to punish a sin, whether it is levied on baggage or on bodies. It is a way of recouping from you the true cost of flying you to your destination, rather than imposing it on your fellow passengers. Flying is different from, say, health care. It is not a human right."

While I think that implementing the policies for such a rule would be nightmarish-especially when it comes down to that line of what precisely is and isn't overweight-I can't say that I fully disagree with the idea or the reasoning. But again, I think utilizing and enforcing such a policy would be incredibly challenging, and most likely would need to pack riot gear and flame shields to even get approved.

Thoughts?
 

MrTub

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I do think that people that are so fat that they cannot fit in one seat should be forced to buy a second seat.

But honestly I do not think everyone should be weighted in before flying.. seems a bit to personal.
 

DarkishFriend

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I disagree. Plane tickets are already expensive as hell.

Every person goes through 3 hours of security; every person flies the same amount of time, for the same amount of distance, and I'll have to be beyond drunk to think that there is a notable difference to fly a 250lb man, then a 160lb man, and if anyone wants to bring up seat sizes in an argument, the jet isn't inconvenienced by a obese passenger, the other passengers are. To slap an extra charge on someone because of a weight difference is absurd in my opinion.
 

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I'd say that if they're going to have a policy like that, they should at least limit it to the really, really fat people. I'm talking 300 kg (about 600 lbs), because while it's still unfair in its way, at least then they'll be charging extra for somebody who without this policy would have transported weight that equals at least three people for the price of one.
 

Chasing-The-Light

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I disagree with this completely. I'd rather pay more money for a heavy baggage than be weighed at the airport. And the whole discount thing is kind of ridiculous. I can see people reacting to that, who travel a lot, purposefully losing crazy amounts of weight the most unhealthy weights possible just to get that discount on their tickets.
 

Aris Khandr

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I think that the very obese should be required to buy an extra seat on the plane. I may only take up part of mine, but I *like* that. I don't want someone else encroaching on my space because they cannot physically be confined to their own. And that seems to always be the way it works. They see me at ~49 kilos (~109 lbs.), and immediately stick someone roughly three times my size next to me, since it would be less awkward than trying to cram them next to someone who is already using their full space.
 

isometry

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I think this makes sense. If you do the arithmetic, the difference in fuel cost works out to under $10, so it's not a huge punishment for the overweight, just a reasonable and justified extra charge.
 

ElPatron

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VivaciousDeimos said:
He also adds, "Friends with whom I discuss this proposal often say that many obese people cannot help being overweight--they just have a different metabolism from the rest of us.
Yeah, but if they spent less money on crappy food they would spend less money on traveling.

Many people can't help being overweight because they don't want. You don't need to buy expensive microbiotic food nor pay huge fees to join a fancy gym.

If your metabolism still keeps you from losing weight, then you have a health condition. It's a serious problem and should be treated right away.

I think vacations/job interview/your own marriage can wait if you are trying to save your life.
 

Suicidejim

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Despite the savings I'd receive from being such a skinny gent, I'd probably oppose it on basic 'not being an insensitive asshole' grounds.
 

Lionsfan

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manic_depressive13 said:
Yes, because I think it would be funny and it doesn't affect me in any way.
I vote for users on The Escapist that have manic and depressive in their name to be punched in the face everyday, because I think it would be funny and it doesn't affect me in any way

Tanksie said:
yes cause fat people deserve it.
And I nominate people who have Tanksie in their name, cause they probably deserve it
 

Dragonclaw

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Since I just got back from a flight where I was crammed against the armrest because the lady next to me took almost half me seat and since the flight was full I was unable to change seats I am ALL FOR charging really large people extra. I PAID for my seat...the ENTIRE seat...the fact that someone else's girth encroaches on that should entitle ME to have part of my seat (that she took without my permission) refunded...not to mention the chili dogs she was eating and the horrible gas she had after an hour in the air...
 

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Although I'd hate to see this instituted, it wouldn't surprise me if it were. Airlines are constantly looking for ways to make more money. I realize it's a business, but it's really getting out of hand.



The last time I flew, it was on short notice.. so, I ended up paying nearly $700 for a seat on a 2/3 full fucking red-eye flight. I had to pay another $25 to check my first (and only) medium-sized-not-overstuffed suitcase. They were charging for sodas and pretzels/peanuts AND WATER as well as alcohol and wouldn't allow you to bring anything to drink onto the plane with you. You had to buy their proprietary headphones to listen to the music of watch TV or whatever was going on. People who needed seatbelt extenders had to pay a rental fee for them.

I was very surprised that the toilets didn't have coin slots on the door.

It's absolutely ridiculous, with what they charge for tickets, that you can't even get a glass of water for free.



I'm all for making people pay for two seats if they take them up, but charging by weight? Nah. It's perfectly possible to be very tall and over 220lbs and not be overweight in the least.
 

Jamash

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I think it's quite a dangerous idea.

Weight cutting [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weight_cutting] is a risky enough practice amongst professional athletes, but to monetise the practice for unhealthy people who are about to embark on a long haul flight is ludicrous.

You'd get people starving and dehydrating themselves for the weigh-in check-in, then rehydrating and over eating during the flight, so not only will they put on weight whist on the plane and defeat the purpose of the surcharge, but you could also have a plane full of seriously ill passengers without proper medical care available.

This health risk will also be compounded if the airline charges for in-flight food and water. The people who would cut-weight in order to get cheaper flights are also likely not to be able to buy the essential nourishment they would so desperately need after cutting weight.

Never underestimate the lengths people will go to in order to save a buck. Not only would you have large people dropping from 220lbs to 190lbs to avoid the surcharge, you'd also get underweight people dehydrating themselves and putting serious strain on their body in order to save as much money on their ticket price as possible.

Not wishing to sound hyperbolic, but in short, people will die.
 

Amarok

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I'll leave this here http://danceswithfat.wordpress.com/?s=plane&submit=Search

With an excerpt to hopefully avoid low content.

"So, I first have to ask how big a problem fat people on planes really is? Is it overblown? Is it actually that seats have become smaller and the rows have been compressed in a way that makes most average sized people uncomfortable, but they want to blame it on fat people? Today the women who was supposed to be sitting beside me took an option to move up into a seat that reclines a couple of rows ahead of us. I noticed that while she was freaked out about the idea of our shoulders touching, she was still touching the shoulders of the woman beside her and seemed to have no issue with that.

So is this really that big of a problem or is it a perception based on obesity hysteria ? a general cultural prejudice that fat is bad and so touching a fat person is gross, but touching a thin person is just part of being on a plane? As I walked up the aisle of my second flight today I noticed how many people were touching the shoulders of the passenger beside them without any complaint, and without suggesting that they should both be charged extra because they didn?t have a complete bubble of personal space."

This sort of thing is really dubious. I know the OP is talking about fuel costs but the tread at large almost immediately made it about "personal space" so here's a rebuttal to that. One that will go totally ignored or just outright opposed, I'm sure :)
 

Ed130 The Vanguard

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They should, and unlike the OP and the original article I am qualified to talk about this subject.

While training to be a commercial airline pilot we discussed this in detail, with everything boiling down to this.

1) Airlines charge extra for overweight luggage because it costs them more (fuel burnt and space taken up) to carry the extra weight.

2) The one ticket price for all became standard practice in the early years (50s early 60s) when the variation between passenger weights was low and to simplify the process.

3) Today both the average weight and the variation have increased to such an extant that Airlines are getting worried about their plane being literally being "overloaded by fat people" (I'll try to find the article, but I think it was in a flight mag I no longer have access to.)

4) Weighing passengers is already standard practice in light aircraft so their weight tolerances are not exceeded.

5) Given half a chance the Airlines WOULD weigh everyone if only to collect new data to calculate airfares.

So in all its a good idea to at least weigh your passengers if only for safety purposes. admittedly the possibility of a modern turbo-fan falling out of the sky is minimal, but good aviation is all about minimizing the the potential risk.