skill vs button bashing

[dallan262]

right i hear people say button bashings cheap in games such as street fighter IV,tekken, etc. etc

they also says that it means nothing against an experianced player yet i have seen no proof of this

can anyone show me a video of something prooving this as i really want to see if theres really that much of a difference

as i do like these games but never seen the point learning it all when i could just get bet by someone blindfolded headbutting the controls?

as it does take alot of time

 

[Gerazzi]

You should meet my friend Kevin.
He's a freaking god at SSBB.
No one can compare, it's like all he does.

 

[gigastrike]

People just want to believe that they are better than new gamers, but the fact is that putting up a strong front means a lot when the enemy absolutely has to pass through it. That's why I like the Super Smash Bros. series. Your enemy can't maintain a full attack shield when they have to guard three directions simultaneously.

 

[chromewarriorXIII]

Button mashing may work, but if you know the moves then you know how the moves flow together. This means that once you hit the person once, you can use a bunch of moves that flow together and not let them hit at all. That's my theory.

 

[Spirultima]

Learn to counter attacks, and then skill wins, if there are no counters, button bashing always wins >.>", its why i invite a friend round so we can skill fight

Spoiler

and have fun

 

[tucci]

yah i usually play sf2 alot, back when combos were a glitch, that game is so much fun still, button mashing can only get you so far, as does hadoken spamming

 

[joe182]

One of my college lecturers is the official 'God' of street fighter in college, i can tell you now that no amount of button mashing, hadouken spamming or any of that will get you anywhere against him. He took out our entire class ('bout 15 people, all of whom are average to very good at SF) and only got hit 4 or 5 times -.-

 

[McScruffy]

I tend to place my controller gently on a hard surface before me, close my eyes, say a prayer, and then commence bashing my head firmly against it. Repeatedly. Did I mention the only character I'm ACTUALLY good with in any fighter is Hwoarang from Tekken? That is, I only have to softly bash my head against the controller, and then can commence a decent combo.

 

[Clashero]

As someone said before, if the game includes counter attacks, then the skilled player is likely to win.
When my friends are over, they love to play Soul Calibur III, as do I. I'm a very skilled player (I use Guard Impacts all the time, I know the combos, I know which moves have a different effect when they're a counter, etc) and they pretty much button mash, and I beat them 9 out of 10 times.

 

[supersixfour]

in my opinion button mashing can be quite effective, however only in some types of games ssbb and sf are excellent examples most games like these in the Brawler genre are subject to the same results lucky players who sometimes, as yahtzee of zero punctuation would put it find the F**k you button like using the C stick on the gamecube control for smash attacks in super smash bro's melee (b4 brawl) gc (great game btw) and stuff like that ends up being hope less for the ppl who actually play the game and build up technique, not like theirs any technique to playing ssbbor anything i mean ppl find what suits them but noobies just hit just hit al of the buttons they see, or even don't see and pwn without insttuctions because brawler games are built for group playing and for young + ages so the controls cant be too detailed. THAT respectively is why someone playing with his tongue can do just as well as someone who beat the whole game 10 times.

 

[olee12343]

Actually, I think a good game to see button-mashing vs. "pro" mashing is Fight Night Round 4. 3/4 of the people online seem to "stick-mash" the head as much as possible, when strikes to the body are the most effective way to win.

 

[Veekter]

In all my experience trying to use skill in any fighting game has only ended in failure, take for example my first time playing soul calibre iv, at first i tried to make it look good but after getting my ass handed to me i decided to mash random buttons, sure i felt like a **** but i was victorious nonetheless. In short button mashing makes you look like a jerk but experience only teaches you that experience is unnecessary and trying to use it will only get you killed

 

[Midniqht]

i used to play DOA4 a lot, almost religiously...
button mashers always failed it up online because any experienced player could see what was going on and just counter everything. if you beat an "experienced" player in a fighting game by simply button mashing, i'd hope to hell that he was away from his controller

 

[Flying-Emu]

I hate how people say that button-mashers win at fighting games. Even if they don't have counters. Fuck, Super Smash Brothers, for example. Anyone who just buttonmashes is going to get a swift PK Torpedo and a shut-out from someone who has done anything besides the Subspace Emissary on Normal.

Some of those Challenges in Brawl are fucking hard.

 

[The_Chief]

one time i was playing one of those dragon ball z games. and i did spirit bomb by button mashing the hell out of the controller.

 

[Lord Beautiful]

I hate how people say that button-mashers win at fighting games. Even if they don't have counters. Fuck, Super Smash Brothers, for example. Anyone who just buttonmashes is going to get a swift PK Torpedo and a shut-out from someone who has done anything besides the Subspace Emissary on Normal.

Some of those Challenges in Brawl are fucking hard.

Pretty much this, though I'm not a fan of Smash Brothers.

Anyway, personal experience has shown me that button mashers rarely win against me when I'm just adequate at a game. Take Soulcalibur IV for example. I was at a party in which nearly everyone was playing something on a 360, and me and a few of my friends got on my console to play the aforementioned game. Two of them didn't actually know how to play it, though one made one hell of a concious effort to learn how to play it as he went. The other button-mashed like crazy. Suffice it to say, the only times he one were when I was just messing around with him.

The same goes for when I played Tekken 5 with another friend who was also a button masher. He didn't win very much. (Currently, I'm a fucking fantastic Tekken player, if only with Yoshi.)

Back in the days when I was a button masher and I was playing Tekken 3 with my very skilled older brother, I rarely won.

Personal experience seems to suggest that button-mashing rarely truimphs over skill. Even then, the only times it usually "triumphs" is when the skilled player is just fucking around.

 

[omgwaffles]

I hate button mashing, and games need to implement a system that counters this, if its endurance or a combo bonus, or even better, both.

 

[Nutcase]

right i hear people say button bashings cheap in games such as street fighter IV,tekken, etc. etc

they also says that it means nothing against an experianced player yet i have seen no proof of this

can anyone show me a video of something prooving this as i really want to see if theres really that much of a difference

Just watch any high level tournament video, and if you know the game, you will realize there is absolutely no way a button masher would ever beat those players.

Here's a video for Tekken 6 where even I (not a Tekken player) can tell the players are good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXCPey4NHbU

Anyway, here's why button mashing is cheap and not fun.

Consider two guys - friends - who start playing a fighter together. One of them decides to button mash at random and one of them decides to learn to play. Now, button mashing directly causes two things: the character will be unpredictable, and he will attack all the time. The other player, always trying to do specific things, trying to use the defenses appropriate for the situation, will not initially have the reflexes to do so. He will mess up. Against the aggressive, mashing player he will lose, depending on the game, possibly all of the time. This is frustrating for the good player, and I have a hard time believing the masher can be having all that much fun either. It's not so fun to win every time without trying, whether it's due to circumstances or luck or skill.

Then consider what happens once the latter player has learned enough solid play that he beats the masher. Very soon he will beat the masher almost all the time. The masher can't adapt to this because he, by definition, is not firmly control in his character. If at this point the masher wants to learn the game for real, he'll have to do the same thing the other guy did initially, and his performance will drop just like the other guy's did. Now, the good player will be utterly crushing the bad player until he learns, and again all of this is frustrating to the good player because it's impossible for him to learn to be much better as long as his opponent is bad, and there's no fun in continuously beating someone really weak.

Unfortunately, most buttonmashers probably don't realize their mistake, will quit after their mashing starts losing all the time ("you guys are not fun to play anymore!"), and never learn how much fun there truly is to be had in fighting games.

The moral of the story? The masher screws himself and everyone he plays with out of both fun and skill.

 

[rickthetrick]

This post is bringing back horrible flashbacks of playing street fighter 3 at putt putt, and getting my groove on, when from out of nowhere a lil kid would come up, pick fucking blanka, and button mash me to death. I hate button mashing. Also those low kicks from the forst mortal kombat were really damn annoying.

Did I date myself with this post?

 

[Hazy]

I stand by the statement that a well coordinated played who focuses and times his attacks will excel past somebody randomly mashing buttons.