So Bojack Horseman s3

[MCerberus]

This went... this went so dark that it was past the point where I could have predicted where the tone goes.

Specifically episode 11

Spoiler

Where Bojack and Sara go on a super-bender when Bojack isn't nominated for an oscar and realizes he's alone and he's burned all his relationships. After Sara learns she won an Oscar, they finally go to the planetarium like she wanted. Once there she tells Bojack that she hates everything she is.

Then dies of an overdose.
Of heroin with Bojack's face on the packet

It's just, wow

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I saw it, and it completely left me heart broken.

Also Todd's whole storyarch made me realize I'm asexual, or at least on the spectrum of that. I'm actually still kinda processing that, yeah.

There has never been a show I felt so honest and open about what life is than this show, it's not even a form of entertainment for me at this point. I know this sounds fucking stupid, but it's almost like a manual for what life is.

This went... this went so dark that it was past the point where I could have predicted where the tone goes.

Specifically episode 11

Spoiler

Where Bojack and Sara go on a super-bender when Bojack isn't nominated for an oscar and realizes he's alone and he's burned all his relationships. After Sara learns she won an Oscar, they finally go to the planetarium like she wanted. Once there she tells Bojack that she hates everything she is.

Then dies of an overdose.
Of heroin with Bojack's face on the packet

It's just, wow

I mean whoa it was.... Too much, man.

 

[MCerberus]

Finished it today, best episode was 5, I'm a sucker for an "artsy" episode and it was generally pretty optimistic and well made, worst episode is 6.... just.... no, though I'll refrain from speaking further because it will completely derail the thread. Episodes 10 and 11 were very good but it was a miss in episode 12, felt too much like a huge "to be continued" rather then having any kind of closure.

Also one plot thread I thought was handled pretty badly was

Spoiler

Mr. Peanutbutter's brother and maybe the character itself, the brother sidestory could have gone much further then "talk about it and the next time we hear of it is resolved", especially it could have gone well if the brother asked MPB to be a stepdad for the kids which would have been a nice contrast with the abortion story and seeing how he and Diane deal with it, especially with MPB's usual optimism. And in general it felt that MPB was a henpecked husband this entire season which is not a healthy relationship and I expect better from the show. Also, please god let the asexual crowd ignore the whole Todd thing.

Hope we have a special for the Bojack Show

Spoiler

MPB's deal is always that his whole cheerful side is a facade and only expressing his negative emotions through other people. The big thing for his and Diane's relationship this season is that eventually he actually managed to not do the "bottle it up until it explodes" and she actually doesn't make a big deal over every little thing. Also, unhealthy relationships in this show? Shocking.

Also he's the show's closest thing to a good person. Maybe he didn't have as much depth in s3, but without him being more cheerful it would have been infinite darkness

I also liked ep 12, it was a good denouement after the sledge to the face that was 11.

 

[Veldel]

The water ep was prob one of the best animated eps in a show iv ever seen

The entire season was a tug on the feels and you felt yourself in it in a ton of senses

Spoiler

Watching the OP as everyone slowly vanishes then in the final ep everyone is gone including Sarah Lynn from the party scene. its like damn....

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Finished it today, best episode was 5, I'm a sucker for an "artsy" episode and it was generally pretty optimistic and well made, worst episode is 6.... just.... no, though I'll refrain from speaking further because it will completely derail the thread. Episodes 10 and 11 were very good but it was a miss in episode 12, felt too much like a huge "to be continued" rather then having any kind of closure.

Also one plot thread I thought was handled pretty badly was

Spoiler

Mr. Peanutbutter's brother and maybe the character itself, the brother sidestory could have gone much further then "talk about it and the next time we hear of it is resolved", especially it could have gone well if the brother asked MPB to be a stepdad for the kids which would have been a nice contrast with the abortion story and seeing how he and Diane deal with it, especially with MPB's usual optimism. And in general it felt that MPB was a henpecked husband this entire season which is not a healthy relationship and I expect better from the show. Also, please god let the asexual crowd ignore the whole Todd thing.

Hope we have a special for the Bojack Show

Spoiler

MPB's deal is always that his whole cheerful side is a facade and only expressing his negative emotions through other people. The big thing for his and Diane's relationship this season is that eventually he actually managed to not do the "bottle it up until it explodes" and she actually doesn't make a big deal over every little thing. Also, unhealthy relationships in this show? Shocking.

Also he's the show's closest thing to a good person. Maybe he didn't have as much depth in s3, but without him being more cheerful it would have been infinite darkness

I also liked ep 12, it was a good denouement after the sledge to the face that was 11.

Shit... I hadn't seen the not explode thing about PB until you pointed it out.

Spoiler

like the close we come to it is the abortion episode, you can tell his supportive nature is represented by the balloon he's carrying and by the end of it, the balloon is still floating but it's half deflated showing that the...

I mean he was doing exactly what I think a dude should be doing in that situation, but still as a human being there are limits and he was almost reaching his limit be he managed not to.

Also, totally. There is very little light this season. It was a complete tornado of destruction.

 

[MCerberus]

Finished it today, best episode was 5, I'm a sucker for an "artsy" episode and it was generally pretty optimistic and well made, worst episode is 6.... just.... no, though I'll refrain from speaking further because it will completely derail the thread. Episodes 10 and 11 were very good but it was a miss in episode 12, felt too much like a huge "to be continued" rather then having any kind of closure.

Also one plot thread I thought was handled pretty badly was

Spoiler

Mr. Peanutbutter's brother and maybe the character itself, the brother sidestory could have gone much further then "talk about it and the next time we hear of it is resolved", especially it could have gone well if the brother asked MPB to be a stepdad for the kids which would have been a nice contrast with the abortion story and seeing how he and Diane deal with it, especially with MPB's usual optimism. And in general it felt that MPB was a henpecked husband this entire season which is not a healthy relationship and I expect better from the show. Also, please god let the asexual crowd ignore the whole Todd thing.

Hope we have a special for the Bojack Show

Spoiler

MPB's deal is always that his whole cheerful side is a facade and only expressing his negative emotions through other people. The big thing for his and Diane's relationship this season is that eventually he actually managed to not do the "bottle it up until it explodes" and she actually doesn't make a big deal over every little thing. Also, unhealthy relationships in this show? Shocking.

Also he's the show's closest thing to a good person. Maybe he didn't have as much depth in s3, but without him being more cheerful it would have been infinite darkness

I also liked ep 12, it was a good denouement after the sledge to the face that was 11.

Shit... I hadn't seen the not explode thing about PB until you pointed it out.

Spoiler

like the close we come to it is the abortion episode, you can tell his supportive nature is represented by the balloon he's carrying and by the end of it, the balloon is still floating but it's half deflated showing that the...

I mean he was doing exactly what I think a dude should be doing in that situation, but still as a human being there are limits and he was almost reaching his limit be he managed not to.

Also, totally. There is very little light this season. It was a complete tornado of destruction.

Well there are a lot of the little things that add up, problem being it contributes to the end

Spoiler

Where everyone is finding some shred of happiness with Bojack not being present, and like Tod says, he tries to end it all alone (seriously, the last scene showed he's now suicidal).

PB and Diane though are actually growing. Diane is finding a place where she can accept stability while trying to make a difference in lives, both of people she knows and politics (uh oh) and PB, at Diane's prodding confronted potential death and is actually accepting support from her. Notice after the big confrontation (and the drugs) they stop using psych speak and confronted their problems leading to less fights and fear.

And yes I do like the underwater episode. And that one was actually a nice bright spot. Removed from everything, there's still a spark of good in Bojack to where he may not be as born broken as he believes

 

[MeatMachine]

I was crushed a lot harder by Penny's near-panic attack when she sees Bojack unexpectedly, rather than at Sarah Lynn's overdose. I was almost happy in the last seconds of episode 12 when "a teenage girl" tried to reach Bojack through his agency, only to see what we assume to be his never-before-seen daughter sulking when she can't contact him. I was hoping there would be some semblance of relationship repair, but all it did was introduce another dysfunctional one instead.

I liked the season, but like everyone else said, there was basically 0 resolution for any character at the end of the season - just more openings. Cliffhangers are fine and all, but my curiosity hasn't been indulged at all...

 

[PurplePonyArcade]

I need to get back to watching this series. Saw a few episodes of season 1 with a friend and liked it. Just never continued because its hard for me to get in a mood of watching anything for a long enough period of time. How is this series going?

 

[Here Comes Tomorrow]

I need to get back to watching this series. Saw a few episodes of season 1 with a friend and liked it. Just never continued because its hard for me to get in a mood of watching anything for a long enough period of time. How is this series going?

It makes you want to kill yourself. But in a good way.

I feel like if there's a season 4 that'll be the last one. The character arcs won't really have much more places to go after the next season.

The only thing making me think there will even be one was the resolution/hook to MPB's character arc. Everyone else is arguably tied off except his.

 

[bartholen_v1legacy]

Just finished it, and wow this show's evolved in only 3 seasons. If season 1 was a harsher-than-usual Hollywood comic satire, I'm hesitant to even call season 3 a comedy anymore. It's more like a tragedy drama in the clothes of a Family Guy/Simpsons -esque animated show. It's so harsh and ugly seeing the characters swirl in the inescapable vortex of the vapidity they've built their lives around. I don't know how much the show is based on real life experience of the kind of life Bojack leads, but it sure does a hell of a good job making it seem like absolute hell. Nothing matters, nothing has any value or meaning, even the highest accolades amount only to lip service, everyone's a fake and only worships the hamster wheel of fame and success only to realize how vapid and ephemeral it is. Bojack is perhaps one of the most interesting protagonists western animation, perhaps even western TV, has seen this century. You want to relate to him, but he'll always let success go to his head, turn into an asshole, run away at the last minute from things he should do, and you can see as a (horse)person he's just awful.

Spoiler: Spoilers of certain events

Looking at the OP I was dreading episode 11. I was fearing it would cross the Despair Event Horizon, and end with Sara Lynn OD'ing in that shitty hotel room, or slitting her wrists in the tub. The softer death scene was still a relief after the entire episode is basically an odyssey of suffering and despair. The last 2 episodes really drive home what miserable, broken beings both Bojack and Sara Lynn are, and how they can't escape any of it. They've locked themselves in a cage, and thrown away the key. The OP of ep 12 is particularly telling, seeing how Bojack's the only one left in his house.

 

[PurplePonyArcade]

I need to get back to watching this series. Saw a few episodes of season 1 with a friend and liked it. Just never continued because its hard for me to get in a mood of watching anything for a long enough period of time. How is this series going?

It makes you want to kill yourself. But in a good way.

I feel like if there's a season 4 that'll be the last one. The character arcs won't really have much more places to go after the next season.

The only thing making me think there will even be one was the resolution/hook to MPB's character arc. Everyone else is arguably tied off except his.

Wow, I definitely have to get back on it then.

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

I honestly have to wonder how season 4 is going to go. If I had to guess, it'll be more about Bojack discovering that wwhile he's not a HEALTHY influence on the people around him, he's not the only thing dragging them all down. I mean, think about it.

The Mouse guy who's dating Princess Carolyn is operating under the assumption that she was miserable because of her work, and NOT because she was going through spectacularly rough patch at the time. Anyone who watches this show knows Carolyn LOVES her work for the most part, and it's pretty likely that for as nice a guy this guy is he doesn't really understand her that well.

Todd basically needs a babysitter more than anything. The dip somehow managed to give away Eight Million dollars as a tip because he wasn't paying attention. His relationship with Emily is most likely gonna hit the rocks hard when this sinks in with her, and will cause a split if she can't handle that aspect of him.

Diane is basically working for Gawker now, and Mister Peanut-butter is going into politics. Nuff said.

I wouldn't be surprised to see it focusing more on the rest of the cast rather than Bojack. That said, I WILL be annoyed if they push back that thing with that girl who is most likely his daughter to the next season.

 

[RedDeadFred]

The underwater episode was about as close to perfection as you can get IMO.

This season really tugged at the heart strings. Todd trying to figure out who he is, Bojack being confronted by how he has nobody to blame but himself, Prince Carolyn's entire arc, Bojack traumatizing the deer girl again, and Sara's death were all painful to watch (in a good way).

On the silly side, I loved the payoff for the pasta strainers.

 

[Here Comes Tomorrow]

I honestly have to wonder how season 4 is going to go. If I had to guess, it'll be more about Bojack discovering that wwhile he's not a HEALTHY influence on the people around him, he's not the only thing dragging them all down. I mean, think about it.

The Mouse guy who's dating Princess Carolyn is operating under the assumption that she was miserable because of her work, and NOT because she was going through spectacularly rough patch at the time. Anyone who watches this show knows Carolyn LOVES her work for the most part, and it's pretty likely that for as nice a guy this guy is he doesn't really understand her that well.

Todd basically needs a babysitter more than anything. The dip somehow managed to give away Eight Million dollars as a tip because he wasn't paying attention. His relationship with Emily is most likely gonna hit the rocks hard when this sinks in with her, and will cause a split if she can't handle that aspect of him.

Diane is basically working for Gawker now, and Mister Peanut-butter is going into politics. Nuff said.

I wouldn't be surprised to see it focusing more on the rest of the cast rather than Bojack. That said, I WILL be annoyed if they push back that thing with that girl who is most likely his daughter to the next season.

If anyone comes off badly from season 4 it's going to be Mr. Peanut Butter.

One of the things I LOVE about the show is that it isn't just "lol people with animal heads how KUH-RAZEE", the animals they are reflect their personality and Mr. Peanut Butter is loyal and trusting to a fault. And he's going into politics with his terrible ex-wife. And his wife has said she's willing to betray him for an article. So you can guess how that's going to end. PROTIP: In the Oscar episode, look at the Old Yeller poster in the back ground and look at who the shotgun is pointed at.

Bojack will probably be drawn back from the horse running commune thing to reconnect with his daughter but feel trapped by it again (he's a retired show horse, he wants to be free and just run around but it conflicts with his desire to be famous and noticed) and probably fuck it up. Maybe it's just the tone of the show by now but I don't see him being redeemed in any way by forming a relationship with her, it'll either end with her being disillusioned and realizing that .

Honestly, the only person I can see coming off well from any of this is Princess Carolyn. And AT BEST she'll get pregnant and channel her work ethic into child rearing or start her management firm with a day care in it. I doubt she'll stay with the mouse guy.

As for Todd I dunno, he's too unpredictable and doesn't really get any serious development like the other characters and any he does get barely registers with him as a character.