So-called "animal rights" group crashing a Hunting&Fishing exhibit every year

[Nature Guardian]

I live nearby, so I've seen it happen regularly.

Each year, in this period, there's an Hunting&Fishing exhibit.

Regardless of wethere you're pro or against the activities of hunting and fishing, every year, right in front of an exhibit, there's a group of 12-20 people of a group called "100% animal rights".

These guys dress all in black and protest the expo.

And that's fine by me.

The problem is that they yell incredibly disgusting insults at people entering the show. Not even kids are spared.

Some examples - a man entering the fair holding his little son with his hand had to hear those fanatics yell "Take your hunting weapon and shoot your child with it!! Shoot him!! Shoot him!!". And the little kid of course heard that too.

To a mother with two daughters: "Take those icecreams and show them up your daughter's ass!! Die, murderer!!".

To a mother and her daughter: "Slut! Old hag! Choke on a dick!".

To some guy entering the exhibit: "I will piss on your grave, dickhead!!"



And no, I'm not making anything up.

Of course the policemen are there, but, much to the disappointment of those self-proclaimed activists, during all these years no one has ever lost their patience and insulted them back. Probably because it's exactly what those people want.

As someone who IS an animal rights activist, seeing those morons use a noble cause only as an excuse to hate on human beings makes me sick.

So, since this year it happened again like all years, I'd like to hear your opinion on this. For example, a friend of mine said "yes, they say horrible thing to them, but on the other hand, those people are HUNTERS!".

 

[Baffle]

To a mother and her daughter: "Slut! Hold hag! Choke on a dick!".

To some guy entering the exhibit: "I will piss on your own grave, dickhead!!"

(1) What's a hold hag?!
(2) 'I will piss on your own grave' is nonsense. Imight piss on my own grave (somehow); he can't.

 

[Nature Guardian]

To a mother and her daughter: "Slut! Hold hag! Choke on a dick!".

To some guy entering the exhibit: "I will piss on your own grave, dickhead!!"

(1) What's a hold hag?!
(2) 'I will piss on your own grave' is nonsense. Imight piss on my own grave (somehow); he can't.

I appreciate your pointing out of the typo, and I will correct it. But now, can we talk about the actual topic?

 

[Baffle]

I appreciate your pointing out of the typo, and I will correct it. But now, can we talk about the actual topic?

Honestly, I wasn't pointing out a typo, I thought it was something I'd missed (what a hold hag is I mean).

OT: I dislike rudeness generally, so those guys should dial it back. I understand them being passionate about something, but bile doesn't generally get your message across well. That said, it isn't uncommon to say people should protest politely, just because that makes them much easier to ignore.

 

[Zontar]

Animal rights activism, like most activism these days, has long stopped being about actual activism for most involved. It's just a means of feeling good about yourself because of stuff you do (and often while doing terrible things).

A perfect example is things like PETA euthanizing about 95% of the animals that people give them, GreenPeace opposing nuclear energy, and pretty much anyone who opposes the seal hunt because "you're killing poor defenceless cute fluffy seals" without realising that we hunt them because their natural predators are endangered and if we didn't they'd make more animals go the same.

 

[Saelune]

Animal rights activism, like most activism these days, has long stopped being about actual activism for most involved. It's just a means of feeling good about yourself because of stuff you do (and often while doing terrible things).

A perfect example is things like PETA euthanizing about 95% of the animals that people give them, GreenPeace opposing nuclear energy, and pretty much anyone who opposes the seal hunt because "you're killing poor defenceless cute fluffy seals" without realising that we hunt them because their natural predators are endangered and if we didn't they'd make more animals go the same.

Wouldnt hunting seals then be bad because what eats them has less food? Maybe you missaid what you meant?

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

Animal rights activism, like most activism these days, has long stopped being about actual activism for most involved. It's just a means of feeling good about yourself because of stuff you do (and often while doing terrible things).

A perfect example is things like PETA euthanizing about 95% of the animals that people give them, GreenPeace opposing nuclear energy, and pretty much anyone who opposes the seal hunt because "you're killing poor defenceless cute fluffy seals" without realising that we hunt them because their natural predators are endangered and if we didn't they'd make more animals go the same.

You opposed to dog fighting, out of curiousity?

 

[Zontar]

You opposed to dog fighting, out of curiousity?

Yes, that doesn't mean I'm for euthanization like PETA is, or oppose the seal hunt due to not understanding that the seal's prey is already on the line of becoming endangered.

You can hold a position without supporting activists who are counterproductive to that position despite claiming to be fighting for it.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

You opposed to dog fighting, out of curiousity?

Yes, that doesn't mean I'm for euthanization like PETA is, or oppose the seal hunt due to not understanding that the seal's prey is already on the line of becoming endangered.

You can hold a position without supporting activists who are counterproductive to that position despite claiming to be fighting for it.

Okay, just wondering.

And also, fuck PETA. Counter productive is frankly, putting it too polite for me.

 

[Loop Stricken]

Animal rights activism, like most activism these days, has long stopped being about actual activism for most involved. It's just a means of feeling good about yourself because of stuff you do (and often while doing terrible things).

A perfect example is things like PETA euthanizing about 95% of the animals that people give them, GreenPeace opposing nuclear energy, and pretty much anyone who opposes the seal hunt because "you're killing poor defenceless cute fluffy seals" without realising that we hunt them because their natural predators are endangered and if we didn't they'd make more animals go the same.

You opposed to dog fighting, out of curiousity?

As a person who agrees with the quoted post, I am of course opposed to dogfighting.

 

[Silent Protagonist]

Isn't there a proper term for this kind of thing in psychology? Moral Licensing or something like that? Seem to see it all the time these days. Not to say it's necessarily more prevalent now than it ever was, but the internet certainly makes it much more visible.

 

[Worgen]

They sound like the left wing version of those dickheads who protest at planned parenthood. Except with less of a chance of being successful.

 

[Silent Protagonist]

Animal rights activism, like most activism these days, has long stopped being about actual activism for most involved. It's just a means of feeling good about yourself because of stuff you do (and often while doing terrible things).

A perfect example is things like PETA euthanizing about 95% of the animals that people give them, GreenPeace opposing nuclear energy, and pretty much anyone who opposes the seal hunt because "you're killing poor defenceless cute fluffy seals" without realising that we hunt them because their natural predators are endangered and if we didn't they'd make more animals go the same.

Wouldnt hunting seals then be bad because what eats them has less food? Maybe you missaid what you meant?

Not necessarily. If I understand the situation correctly(it's a stretch but it does happen on occasion), it is an example of the not uncommon scenario that the predator species is/are hurting from other issues and as a result the prey species population exploded and they are now screwing up the balance of local ecosystem through over consumption. Other examples include deer in North America due to the massive drop in the wolf population because they made the mistake of being dangerous to a species that eventually figured out how to make guns, basically every time a species has been introduced to a foreign ecosystem that doesn't contain their natural predators but does contain things they can eat(usually the fault of humans, but not always and at least not always on purpose), and humans ourselves in a lot of ways.

 

[Ugicywapih]

Eh... I love animals, I strongly believe in the necessity of environmental conservation and the one time I've been taken fishing, I've been too squeamish to hurt the one fish I caught.

Yet, I have no beef with people who eat venison.

People have devised means of killing animals effectively enough, that hunting game does not necessarily suffer much, if at all - as such, I don't see how it's ultimately any worse, ethically, than farming. Granted, I'm talking about responsible hunters, who do not cause undue suffering to the animals they hunt (only take the shot when it's a sure one, either don't use snares or make sure they kill the prey outright etc.) and only hunt in a way that does not threaten local ecosystem's sustainability (i. e. no overhunting/overfishing or hunting out of season). You've got "hunters" who don't abide by this, but I'd say it's less of a problem with the practice itself and more with dickheads being dickheads, which is, sadly, not an issue specific to any one activity.

Of course, an argument could be made, that while hunting may be no worse than farming, this just means farming is just as bad and we should all go vegan, but the fact we have both the capacity to efficiently metabolize meat and the craving to supplement our diet with it means we clearly are omnivorous. Should we agree, that sentience gives us a moral obligation to act against our nature to minimize suffering, I'd say it's only reasonable we also eliminate any predatory species (eating meat is in their nature and they cannot make a choice, but ultimately they contribute many kills to sustain relatively few lives). This would of course lead to gratuitous proliferation of removed predators' prey animals, in turn causing mass starvation, meaning we'd also have to eliminate herbivores... It's kind of a slippery slope, really.

 

[Elijin]

Wouldnt hunting seals then be bad because what eats them has less food? Maybe you missaid what you meant?

If the natural predators are endangered (or absent) then the prey species often has a population explosion. Unchecked population of one species throws the local ecosystem out of balance and threatens the habitats and population levels of other species in the area. (For examples, see rabbits, cats, snakes, toads imported to regions and having unchecked growth.)


On topic, the dumbest thing about these sort of demonstrations is that anywhere with a hunting and fisheries department regulating these practices tends to be more environmentally friendly than places with flat hunting bans. The hunters pay for licenses (revenue used for parks and rangers) and are actively involved in ensuring their hobby of choice can be healthily maintained indefinitely by reporting problems with diseased flora & fauna and notable wildlife activity.

TLDR: Hunters who spend their free time in the woods are likely to be far more invested and involved in conversation than trendy hipsters who are likely to protest.

 

[lionsprey]

Wouldnt hunting seals then be bad because what eats them has less food? Maybe you missaid what you meant?

If the natural predators are endangered (or absent) then the prey species often has a population explosion. Unchecked population of one species throws the local ecosystem out of balance and threatens the habitats and population levels of other species in the area. (For examples, see rabbits, cats, snakes, toads imported to regions and having unchecked growth.)


On topic, the dumbest thing about these sort of demonstrations is that anywhere with a hunting and fisheries department regulating these practices tends to be more environmentally friendly than places with flat hunting bans. The hunters pay for licenses (revenue used for parks and rangers) and are actively involved in ensuring their hobby of choice can be healthily maintained indefinitely by reporting problems with diseased flora & fauna and notable wildlife activity.

TLDR: Hunters who spend their free time in the woods are likely to be far more invested and involved in conversation than trendy hipsters who are likely to protest.

but wouldn't the abundance of food for the predator mean they in turn experience a population boom therefore canceling out the overpopulation of the prey item?

 

[Silent Protagonist]

Wouldnt hunting seals then be bad because what eats them has less food? Maybe you missaid what you meant?

If the natural predators are endangered (or absent) then the prey species often has a population explosion. Unchecked population of one species throws the local ecosystem out of balance and threatens the habitats and population levels of other species in the area. (For examples, see rabbits, cats, snakes, toads imported to regions and having unchecked growth.)


On topic, the dumbest thing about these sort of demonstrations is that anywhere with a hunting and fisheries department regulating these practices tends to be more environmentally friendly than places with flat hunting bans. The hunters pay for licenses (revenue used for parks and rangers) and are actively involved in ensuring their hobby of choice can be healthily maintained indefinitely by reporting problems with diseased flora & fauna and notable wildlife activity.

TLDR: Hunters who spend their free time in the woods are likely to be far more invested and involved in conversation than trendy hipsters who are likely to protest.

but wouldn't the abundance of food for the predator mean they in turn experience a population boom therefore canceling out the overpopulation of the prey item?

Not usually no. A species position on the food chain tends to correlate to their reproductive strategy, with high up predators having relatively few offspring but making sure those offspring survive and lower down prey having a bunch of offspring and hoping a few get lucky. The difference between Abundant and sufficient food doesn't really change the population growth rate a whole lot for predators or prey, but suddenly having 90% of your offspring survive when normally only 20% survive makes a massive difference.

 

[Elijin]

Wouldnt hunting seals then be bad because what eats them has less food? Maybe you missaid what you meant?

If the natural predators are endangered (or absent) then the prey species often has a population explosion. Unchecked population of one species throws the local ecosystem out of balance and threatens the habitats and population levels of other species in the area. (For examples, see rabbits, cats, snakes, toads imported to regions and having unchecked growth.)


On topic, the dumbest thing about these sort of demonstrations is that anywhere with a hunting and fisheries department regulating these practices tends to be more environmentally friendly than places with flat hunting bans. The hunters pay for licenses (revenue used for parks and rangers) and are actively involved in ensuring their hobby of choice can be healthily maintained indefinitely by reporting problems with diseased flora & fauna and notable wildlife activity.

TLDR: Hunters who spend their free time in the woods are likely to be far more invested and involved in conversation than trendy hipsters who are likely to protest.

but wouldn't the abundance of food for the predator mean they in turn experience a population boom therefore canceling out the overpopulation of the prey item?

Only if the specific cause of their endangerment is inadequate food sources.

Or to put it in broad terms:
If you have no girlfriend and 1 cheeseburger, you're not going to have offspring.
If you have no girlfriend and 50 cheeseburgers, you're still not going to have offspring.

 

[Neurotic Void Melody]

Sounds like they got their own personal problems to sort out first before imposing their shit on others. Is this the US? If it is, jees Louise...give your mental health services more awareness and ease of access, please, it's doing more harm than good otherwise.