so if you ever wanted to know why someone wouldn't feel comfortable calling themselves a feminist...

[DudeistBelieve]

Check out the first news story here, covered by Philip Defranco of Youtube.


Basically homegirl here is like a media entrupeanur with a progressive world view, she gets a Lyft ride home and starts going after the Lyft driver because he has one of those silly hulu girls on his dash, and shes recording herself trying to shame this guy, and to the drivers credit that is pretty good customer service how he handles it and tolerates it.

But yeah, that fucking attitude right there, where she scoffs and goes "Oh I'm going to do worse than give you one star, you're gonna be on gawkerrrrrrr"

Seriously, fuck that noise, and fuck that person. Fucking rude, thats what it is. Worst kind of human being, she doesn't give she, all she cares about it is that she has the money and power to make somebodies elses life a little more worse.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

So, is this people being uncomfortable calling themselves a feminist because feminists are coming out of the woodwork to defend this woman?

Or is this people being uncomfortable calling themselves a feminist because this woman is being a dink?

Because if it's the latter, nobody should call themselves anything on account of there always being a dink.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

This guy sounds just as bad as she does. He is attempting to claim that her being a snot somehow represents "feminists" and negate the work that actual feminists do. If people want to know about feminism, they go here:

http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/12/male-rape-epidemic/

Not to some whiny chic who likes to berate people. Everyone has an opinion, that opinion does not suddenly make them representative of of everyone. She is no more representative of feminism than she is of him. It is just his ignorance of what feminism actually is that would even remotely make him associate the two. This guy sounds just as stupid as she does. She didn't sound like the "social justice warrior" here, he did, however, due to him acting like he wants people to dismiss the work of feminists as " social justice" for what this whiny chic did. She just sounded like a jerk.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

So she's just a rude *****? Yeah, so? Feminism and SJW shenanigans aside, she just seems like a very mean spirited and bitchy human. Like I get the feeling she'd use any excuse to complain about anything, and is just using Social Justice as a very easy and cheap excuse to get offended. Sure, she gives Feminism a bad name. But she also gives people who talk, wear clothes, have hair, breathe oxygen, and have physical mass a bad name.

Also can we all just let Gawker die? It was a disgrace from the very beginning, and the world is better of not remembering it at all.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

So she's just a rude *****? Yeah, so? Feminism and SJW shenanigans aside, she just seems like a very mean spirited and bitchy human. Like I get the feeling she'd use any excuse to complain about anything, and is just using Social Justice as a very easy and cheap excuse to get offended. Sure, she gives Feminism a bad name. But she also gives people who talk, wear clothes, have hair, breathe oxygen, and have physical mass a bad name.

Also can we all just let Gawker die? It was a disgrace from the very beginning, and the world is better of not remembering it at all.

I was always taught, when you take up something. A uniform, a role, a cause, like or not you become an abassador. A representative for that thing.

I don't like tipping. So I don't eat at resturants. But when I was training to be a pro-wrestler? You're damn right that when we all went out to eat, I tipped 50%. Why? Because I was proud of what I was doing, what being a wrestler meant to me and how I wanted others to perceive it.

Like it or not, one's persons action DO affect the whole. And there are plenty of people like this women in the social justice area that are like this, and it makes it REALLLLLLYYYYYY fucking uncomfortable for people like me to actually speak up about progressive shit when I see it because I don't want to be looked at like the fucking monster she is.

 

[Barbas]

I told you, man, the actions of one person are not worth getting this angry about. Now you've made a thread and it's probably going to get even angrier.

Why is The Escapist forum so obsessed with this? I don't see it to this crazy extent on any other forum.

I don't know, but far as I can see it's been like this for years.

OT: The video, as far as I can see, doesn't explain why someone should feel uncomfortable calling themselves a feminist. It's a wide umbrella, and taking the actions of one entitled, abusive and ignorant person as representative of the whole is to insult a lot of people who do good work and would probably express bemusement or distaste at her behaviour.

 

[Dizchu]

Not sure what this has to do with feminism, seems more of a nebulous "SJW cultural appropriation whining" thing to me. But these days it all gets conflated into this big singular entity, to the point where issues relating to transgender people and blacks will for some reason be tied to feminism.

Though to be honest, third wave feminists haven't done much to help in this regard seeing as so many of them take "intersectionality" to mean "time for feminism to have the monopoly on all cultural issues". But I'm not gonna rag on them too much, "feminism" is more a hashtag or buzzword these days than a legitimate group/ideology. The only thing feminists have in common is that they call themselves feminists.

 

[Zenja]

I think the point is that there is more than 1 or even a couple of "her". I don't call myself a feminist, and if someone does call themselves a feminist, I will automatically be cautious of their outlook. Possibly even avoid discussions with them. Because this type of ignorance does run rampant in the feminist landscape. I really dont care to argue it on the internet with people who are incapable of being able to see how I live my life in conjunction with the argument I uphold. But the jist of it is that I think many feminists today are young people who want to attack things with "righteous" anger in the name of making the world a better place. Instead of just trying to help make the world a better place using tolerance and understanding.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

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But isn't group thought and guilt by group association the very crimes people rail against the SJW movement for? I mean no one really cares that they want more positive role models for young women, or more female stars in games. No reasonable person thinks those goals are absurd or wrong.

Its their 'all men are rapists' and 'white people are the leading cause of cancer' and 'World War 2 wouldn't have happened if women ruled the world' doctrine that people take issue with. So guilting all feminists because this ***** is a ***** is to gaze too long into a abyss.

 

[Captain Marvelous_v1legacy]

Why is TheEscapist forum so obsessed with this? I don't see it to this crazy extent on any other forum.

That just means we're a diverse and colorful group of crazies. Isn't it lovely?

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Can't say I'm surprised about this. Feminism isn't an exclusive club after all. Anyone can call themselves a feminist and say as they please since there is no vetting process. Feminist is a broad term that covers a large group of people with ideas that range from completely reasonable and acceptable to "this person must have been drinking bleach". I also don't think it's a secret that feminism has that type of image problem. Not exactly something that can be fixed, especially when there are people declaring that the crazies represent feminism, instead of the ones that actually do some good.

I'm gonna go ahead and assume that she was drunk, otherwise there is no excuse for calling Hawaii a continent. That's just... extremely stupid. The driver has been added to the list of people that handled a situation better than I would have. The other is Ben Lamoreux. Kudos to these two for being better than me.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

So she's just a rude *****? Yeah, so? Feminism and SJW shenanigans aside, she just seems like a very mean spirited and bitchy human. Like I get the feeling she'd use any excuse to complain about anything, and is just using Social Justice as a very easy and cheap excuse to get offended. Sure, she gives Feminism a bad name. But she also gives people who talk, wear clothes, have hair, breathe oxygen, and have physical mass a bad name.

Also can we all just let Gawker die? It was a disgrace from the very beginning, and the world is better of not remembering it at all.

I was always taught, when you take up something. A uniform, a role, a cause, like or not you become an abassador. A representative for that thing.

I don't like tipping. So I don't eat at resturants. But when I was training to be a pro-wrestler? You're damn right that when we all went out to eat, I tipped 50%. Why? Because I was proud of what I was doing, what being a wrestler meant to me and how I wanted others to perceive it.

Like it or not, one's persons action DO affect the whole. And there are plenty of people like this women in the social justice area that are like this, and it makes it REALLLLLLYYYYYY fucking uncomfortable for people like me to actually speak up about progressive shit when I see it because I don't want to be looked at like the fucking monster she is.

No, no they do not affect the whole. This guy is more of a " social justice warrior" than she is. He is actually trying to make " feminism pay" via "social justice" for this whiny woman's actions. His mission is to try and convince people to ignore everything feminism actually does and supports and focus on one crappy chic's actions instead to try and make Feminists look bad, when her actions have nothing to do with actual feminism. It is like claiming Jeffrey Dahmer is representative of all men because he says he is a man. Just because she claims something that does not mean in any way she is representative of it. Mainstream Feminism is this :

http://everydayfeminism.com/2012/10/5-types-of-serious-abuse/

Just like you do not go get Milo Yiannopoulos and use him as an example of all men, you do not go get some nobody like this chic (that most feminists have never even heard of btw) and try to use her as an example to represent them. Reality is she is no more representative of feminism than she is of you. You should feel perfectly able to support actual feminism like the issues being discussed by every day feminism AND condemn this chic for being a Horrible person. It is perfectly okay to do both. Anyone with any common sense is not going to condemn you for supporting good things and condemning bad.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

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But isn't group thought and guilt by group association the very crimes people rail against the SJW movement for? I mean no one really cares that they want more positive role models for young women, or more female stars in games. No reasonable person thinks those goals are absurd or wrong.

Its their 'all men are rapists' and 'white people are the leading cause of cancer' and 'World War 2 wouldn't have happened if women ruled the world' doctrine that people take issue with. So guilting all feminists because this ***** is a ***** is to gaze too long into a abyss.

If theres a sect of people acting in a way I find Abhorrent under a political banner, is it really shaming to say "This is why I don't want this label put on me so I'm not associated with that."?

Because I do run across people who are like "Dudeist, you believe in gender equality, you're a feminist" and that makes me feel super super uncomfortable because of how charged it is because of people like homegirl. This isn't Anita in her flannel shirts dissecting video games in a way people diagree with, it's somebody in a position of power bullying a little guy, not trying to educate or enlighten him. That is the antithesis of what I stand for.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

SNIP

But isn't group thought and guilt by group association the very crimes people rail against the SJW movement for? I mean no one really cares that they want more positive role models for young women, or more female stars in games. No reasonable person thinks those goals are absurd or wrong.

Its their 'all men are rapists' and 'white people are the leading cause of cancer' and 'World War 2 wouldn't have happened if women ruled the world' doctrine that people take issue with. So guilting all feminists because this ***** is a ***** is to gaze too long into a abyss.

If theres a sect of people acting in a way I find Abhorrent under a political banner, is it really shaming to say "This is why I don't want this label put on me so I'm not associated with that."?

Because I do run across people who are like "Dudeist, you believe in gender equality, you're a feminist" and that makes me feel super super uncomfortable because of how charged it is because of people like homegirl. This isn't Anita in her flannel shirts dissecting video games in a way people diagree with, it's somebody in a position of power bullying a little guy, not trying to educate or enlighten him. That is the antithesis of what I stand for.

She is just a horrible person. Feminism has nothing to do with her or her actions IS the issue. She does not have any actual "power". Emma Watson, on the other hand, she has actual "power" among feminists, but this whiny chic really doesn't have any.

 

[Zenja]

"Dudeist, you believe in gender equality, you're a feminist"

I don't get why this isn't enough for some people. They HAVE to have you fly some banner of political association. I disagree with many of the "good feminists" and stress I am not a feminist even though I believe in gender equality. I dont like them trying to appropriate me into their group because of a vague blanket statement like gender equality when I know I don't align with their side.

 

[Saelune]

She is a terrible human.

That said, I personally don't call myself a feminist because I fight for equal rights, and feminism has been taken over by sexists.

I think you and DeFranco give this one woman too much credit.

Though not every person who calls themselves a feminist is sexist, but I'm sure some BLM people still work for the intial cause that started it.

I just think feminism (as a specific movement, not women's rights in general) needs to be moved away from, because it leaves a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths and doesn't really help fight sexism.

Plus most rights movements don't have a specific word. There isn't homoism as far as I'm aware, atleast not in terms of fighting for gay rights.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

"Dudeist, you believe in gender equality, you're a feminist"

I don't get why this isn't enough for some people. They HAVE to have you fly some banner of political association. I disagree with many of the "good feminists" and stress I am not a feminist even though I believe in gender equality. I dont like them trying to appropriate me into their group because of a vague blanket statement like gender equality when I know I don't align with their side.

Gender equality=feminism. The reason it isn't enough for some people is because many claim to believe in gender equality that actually don't, both male and female. They often do not understand what equality actually is. It isn't "I like apple pie so you have to eat apple pie too so it is equal". That isn't equal at all. It is like this: Say Apple is my favorite pie and cherry is yours. I get a piece of apple pie and you get a piece of cherry pie and it is equal because we both get a piece of our favorite pie. If we both had cherry pie or apple pie, it would be inequality because one would be forced to have something they were not happy with while the other had what they wanted. Currently much of the world works like that. Men called the shots and then try and force their designed for male system onto women and expect them to "conform" to male standard rather than create a system that works for both men and women equally. Male systems do not take women's issues and needs into consideration with their design, thus why they have to change in order to be equal for everyone involved. It goes much further than adding breastfeeding areas and tampon dispensers to a male designed system to " squeeze in" some girl stuff. Women will need much more say in how the system is designed in the first place for them to even begin to approach actual equality.

Feminists focus on both male and female issues of equality, like providing rape hotlines and counseling for male rape victims. "Feminists" do much more than just focus on female issues, as true equality will allow men and women to be able to do things it was previously considered "socially unacceptable" to do in a male designed society.

 

[EternallyBored]

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But isn't group thought and guilt by group association the very crimes people rail against the SJW movement for? I mean no one really cares that they want more positive role models for young women, or more female stars in games. No reasonable person thinks those goals are absurd or wrong.

Its their 'all men are rapists' and 'white people are the leading cause of cancer' and 'World War 2 wouldn't have happened if women ruled the world' doctrine that people take issue with. So guilting all feminists because this ***** is a ***** is to gaze too long into a abyss.

If theres a sect of people acting in a way I find Abhorrent under a political banner, is it really shaming to say "This is why I don't want this label put on me so I'm not associated with that."?

Because I do run across people who are like "Dudeist, you believe in gender equality, you're a feminist" and that makes me feel super super uncomfortable because of how charged it is because of people like homegirl. This isn't Anita in her flannel shirts dissecting video games in a way people diagree with, it's somebody in a position of power bullying a little guy, not trying to educate or enlighten him. That is the antithesis of what I stand for.

It's not really shaming, but it's a fundamentally useless statement, name any large political movement or group in the world and I'll find you a ton of people acting abhorrent under its banner, there are no exceptions here, especially with any political system that has no centralized leadership, entry standards, or realistic way to remove people who behave abhorrently under its banner so it's a pointless statement. I've met some abhorrent wrestlers in my life, I'm still going to assume someone training and participating in wrestling tournaments is a wrestler himself, him insisting he's not because some other people that call themselves wrestlers are jackasses is not exactly going to immediately convince me he's not still a wrestler.

That said, you are not required to call yourself a feminist if you don't want to, just like I tend to have more consrvative economic views in some places but don't go around calling myself a conservative as it is not something that fits the totality of my beliefs. Your video seems to be muddling your point, but feel free to call yourself whatever you want, if someone insists that you must be a feminist and call yourself such then they're being a jerk and you can probably safely ignore them.