So it seems Hotline Miami 2 has rape in it...

[DudeistBelieve]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escapist-news-now/7559-Hotline-Miami-2-Preview

Watch the preview. You can clearly see a fat character raping a woman who's crawling on the floor.

So let me ask the all important question, does that fact that it's retro graphics make it more palatable? After all Tomb Raider couldn't even have an enemy "Aggressively Stalk" it's female protagonist with out the whole internet blowing up.

 

[Lygus]

Why should you be concerned? For example, in Mortal Kombat 2011 you see a heart ripped out, a body torn in pieces or in half, hands ripped off, a head crushed etc.

What's so bad about rape and sex? Do you really think that after watching rape and excessive violence videos at the same time or simultaneously a subject will want to rape somebody more than to kill (in the way dumb populists define a possibility of an event X and how it counteracts with the possibility of Y)?

 

[Benpasko]

What's so bad about rape and sex? Do you really think that after watching rape and excessive violence videos at the same time or simultaneously a subject will want to rape somebody more than to kill (in the way dumb populists define a possibility of an event X and how it counteracts with the possibility of Y)?

Have you seen the internet? If a game or game-related anything even mentions rape people lose their shit. You can throw boiling water in people's faces and kill them with a power drill in Hotline Miami 1, but if anything makes people flip it will be rape.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Why should you be concerned? For example, in Mortal Kombat 2011 you see a heart ripped out, a body torn in pieces or in half, hands ripped off, a head crushed etc.

What's so bad about rape and sex? Do you really think that after watching rape and excessive violence videos at the same time or simultaneously a subject will want to rape somebody more than to kill (in the way dumb populists define a possibility of an event X and how it counteracts with the possibility of Y)?

Honestly I'm just kicking the hornets nest.

But to be honest, I could see someone being inspired by Hotline Miami in a "Natural Born Killers" "Taxi Driver" kind of way. And I say that with Hotline being my favourite game.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

What's so bad about rape and sex? Do you really think that after watching rape and excessive violence videos at the same time or simultaneously a subject will want to rape somebody more than to kill (in the way dumb populists define a possibility of an event X and how it counteracts with the possibility of Y)?

Have you seen the internet? If a game or game-related anything even mentions rape people lose their shit. You can throw boiling water in people's faces and kill them with a power drill in Hotline Miami 1, but if anything makes people flip it will be rape.

To be fair, wasn't the hooker implied to have been raped as well?

 

[sethisjimmy]

Something else to note is that the character doing the raping is actually being controlled by the player. You can see the cursor on to the right of the screen.

This isn't going to go over well at all.

It's kind of bizarre how the video is about them wanting the game to be more than just disturbing when it seems the sequel is going to be much, much more disturbing than the original.

Edit:
http://www.digitalspy.ca/gaming/news/a491260/hotline-miami-2-first-look-preview-this-is-the-series-finale.html
According to this and other sources, that rape scene is part of a movie the main character "pig butcher" is acting in based around the events of Hotline Miami 1. Apparently immediately after what we see happen in the escapist preview, the camera turns to black, and when the lights come back on it's revealed that everyone involved is acting, and you can see workers cleaning up fake blood and such.

Not gonna give an opinion on it, but there you go, some context.

 

[JudgeGame]

Well, that scene was repulsive. I'm not sure if I will buy the game or not. I think it's worth bringing up that Denaton already sparked a small scale cntroversy when the two developers sexually harassed a journalist who was interviewing them. Don't quote me on that but that story is about 95% accurate. So yeah, I'm not forseing Hotline Miami 2 will be a thoughtful thesis that will further the discussion on gender politics.

 

[Benpasko]

Well, that scene was repulsive. I'm not sure if I will buy the game or not. I think it's worth bringing up that Denaton already sparked a small scale cntroversy when the two developers sexually harassed a journalist who was interviewing them. Don't quote me on that but that story is about 95% accurate. So yeah, I'm not forseing Hotline Miami 2 will be a thoughtful thesis that will further the discussion on gender politics.

Hotline Miami is repulsive, and a lot of badass fun the whole time. You do terrible things, that's the point. This is a game where you can plunge a power drill into a man's eyes, kill people by smashing their heads into urinals, and are a hallucinating psychopath who gets instructions from a floating severed head.

 

[Rickin10]

Oh. Dear. The Daily Mail are gonna literally be having orgasms over this.

 

[Benpasko]

I hope there are rape combos. The only way they can pull this off isn't by trying to make it 'tasteful', that's not what Hotline Miami is. I want to be able to rape someone and use them as a human shield at the same time, and have big pink score numbers pop up as I do it. It needs to be tasteless, over the top, and completely fucked.

 

[SquidVicious]

I think now is a good time to try and be proactive instead of reactive to a few seconds of gameplay footage that may or may not be in the game, or may or may not involve player input. Here are the Jonatan Soderstrom's email address, I highly recommend asking him directly (in as professional a manner as you can muster) before we condemn him and a game that has yet to come out.

arkansas2000@hotmail.com

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Something else to note is that the character doing the raping is actually being controlled by the player. You can see the cursor on to the right of the screen.

This isn't going to go over well at all.

It's kind of bizarre how the video is about them wanting the game to be more than just disturbing when it seems the sequel is going to be much, much more disturbing than the original.

Edit:
http://www.digitalspy.ca/gaming/news/a491260/hotline-miami-2-first-look-preview-this-is-the-series-finale.html
According to this and other sources, that rape scene is part of a movie the main character "pig butcher" is acting in based around the events of Hotline Miami 1. Apparently immediately after what we see happen in the escapist preview, the camera turns to black, and when the lights come back on it's revealed that everyone involved is acting, and you can see workers cleaning up fake blood and such.

Not gonna give an opinion on it, but there you go, some context.

That's.... actually pretty brilliant.

Well, that scene was repulsive. I'm not sure if I will buy the game or not. I think it's worth bringing up that Denaton already sparked a small scale cntroversy when the two developers sexually harassed a journalist who was interviewing them. Don't quote me on that but that story is about 95% accurate. So yeah, I'm not forseing Hotline Miami 2 will be a thoughtful thesis that will further the discussion on gender politics.

but in Hotline Miami 1, it was okay when you smack the russian gangster in the head with a bat.... It doesn't kill him, and he's crawling on the floor clearly in pain and you walk over and smash his head in?

Or the pouring of boiling hot water on to the guys face? and for what? Extra points?

I have no answers. Only questions.

EDIT: This is suppose to be the final Hotline Miami game... I'm very sad now.

 

[Wyvern65]

I have the first game because it was part of the most recent humble bundle. Haven't played it and now I don't even want to.

Even with it being framed as "in a movie - lol, psych!" it's pretty tasteless. Game devs are free to do what they like, of course. And I'm free to be disgusted and not spend a dime on the drek.

 

[Toxic Sniper]

Jesus, who thought emulating Custer's Revenge was a good idea?

What's so bad about rape and sex? Do you really think that after watching rape and excessive violence videos at the same time or simultaneously a subject will want to rape somebody more than to kill (in the way dumb populists define a possibility of an event X and how it counteracts with the possibility of Y)?

People survive rape and might not want to be reminded of it.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

Something else to note is that the character doing the raping is actually being controlled by the player. You can see the cursor on to the right of the screen.

This isn't going to go over well at all.

It's kind of bizarre how the video is about them wanting the game to be more than just disturbing when it seems the sequel is going to be much, much more disturbing than the original.

Edit:
http://www.digitalspy.ca/gaming/news/a491260/hotline-miami-2-first-look-preview-this-is-the-series-finale.html
According to this and other sources, that rape scene is part of a movie the main character "pig butcher" is acting in based around the events of Hotline Miami 1. Apparently immediately after what we see happen in the escapist preview, the camera turns to black, and when the lights come back on it's revealed that everyone involved is acting, and you can see workers cleaning up fake blood and such.

Not gonna give an opinion on it, but there you go, some context.

Well that explains it, then. It may even be a bit of commentary about how movies can get away with things games can't. As someone noted above, there's an implied rape pretty early into the game. After killing everyone in the building aside from one woman who had been tied up in a sex dungeon by the last dude you had to kill, you pick her up and taker her home. I can't remember the exact dialogue, but she doesn't exactly come off as being happy to see the player, if you catch my drift. At the start of the next level, she's on the player's couch, kind of like the other "trophies" you pick up over the course of the game, except she can't be interacted with. It comes off like she's unconscious or dead. Don't know what happens to her after that, because the last time I played I still hadn't finished the level starts right after that scene.

It looks like this fictional movie is just going out and showing what the game only implied.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I have the first game because it was part of the most recent humble bundle. Haven't played it and now I don't even want to.

Even with it being framed as "in a movie - lol, psych!" it's pretty tasteless. Game devs are free to do what they like, of course. And I'm free to be disgusted and not spend a dime on the drek.

Jesus, hate to see how you would react to the stuff that's actually IN hotline miami.

Jesus, who thought emulating Custer's Revenge was a good idea?

What's so bad about rape and sex? Do you really think that after watching rape and excessive violence videos at the same time or simultaneously a subject will want to rape somebody more than to kill (in the way dumb populists define a possibility of an event X and how it counteracts with the possibility of Y)?

People survive rape and might not want to be reminded of it.

So all the other hyper-violence in the game isn't a trigger?

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Something else to note is that the character doing the raping is actually being controlled by the player. You can see the cursor on to the right of the screen.

This isn't going to go over well at all.

It's kind of bizarre how the video is about them wanting the game to be more than just disturbing when it seems the sequel is going to be much, much more disturbing than the original.

Edit:
http://www.digitalspy.ca/gaming/news/a491260/hotline-miami-2-first-look-preview-this-is-the-series-finale.html
According to this and other sources, that rape scene is part of a movie the main character "pig butcher" is acting in based around the events of Hotline Miami 1. Apparently immediately after what we see happen in the escapist preview, the camera turns to black, and when the lights come back on it's revealed that everyone involved is acting, and you can see workers cleaning up fake blood and such.

Not gonna give an opinion on it, but there you go, some context.

Well that explains it, then. It may even be a bit of commentary about how movies can get away with things games can't. As someone noted above, there's an implied rape pretty early into the game. After killing everyone in the building aside from one woman who had been tied up in a sex dungeon by the last dude you had to kill, you pick her up and taker her home. I can't remember the exact dialogue, but she doesn't exactly come off as being happy to see the player, if you catch my drift. At the start of the next level, she's on the player's couch, kind of like the other "trophies" you pick up over the course of the game, except she can't be interacted with. It comes off like she's unconscious or dead. Don't know what happens to her after that, because the last time I played I still hadn't finished the level starts right after that scene.

It looks like this fictional movie is just going out and showing what the game only implied.

Hooker actually....

Spoiler

she sits on the couch. Then next level she's taking a bath. She basically starts cleaning the apartment and is implied at that point to have romantic feelings for Jacket. In the hallucination scenes, shes Don Juan (the one in the horse mask).

Any characterization she has is kinda pointless though. Another mask ends up killing her to provide motivation for Jacket to burst into a police station to kill that mask. She's a literal woman in the refridgerator trope.... though to be fair, it's not like Jacket has anymore character than her.

 

[LetalisK]

What's so bad about rape and sex? Do you really think that after watching rape and excessive violence videos at the same time or simultaneously a subject will want to rape somebody more than to kill (in the way dumb populists define a possibility of an event X and how it counteracts with the possibility of Y)?

People survive rape and might not want to be reminded of it.

Then they can make the informed decision not to play this game, much like how I have made the decision not to play it because I find it distasteful in general, not just because of that one scene.