...so the IP Commision wants to infect everyone's computers with malware...

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A new 84 page report just came out from the American IP Commission where they're seriously recommending that the practice to include spyware inside legal programs is deemed a legal, in order to fight piracy.

The general idea would be that if the malware detects that someone is using an illegal license, the owner is reported to authorities, providing them with the user's personal information, along with pictures taken with the web camera. The computer could also be locked down, making it impossible to use it unless the owner reports the lock down, thus subsequently admitting the theft.

Of course, anyone purchasing a legal copy of these programs would be submitted to having their computers infected with the same malicious programs, thus opening up the potential for 3rd party hackers to break into your computer with these very same back doors. These programs would probably be initially designed so that they cannot work unless the malicious code is still in place. However, it would probably not take very long for cracked versions to show up that would have the malicious parts purged out, meaning that in the long run, the ones buying the actual product would be the one's most hurt.

Info taken from said article. [http://news.thewindowsclub.com/malware-combat-malware-legally-62459/]

Actual report. [http://ipcommission.org/report/IP_Commission_Report_052213.pdf]

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Yeah... that's what they want you to do.
 

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The stupidest part is that cracked copies would likely have this malware removed, so the pirates get a better product again.
 

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Yeah well, jurisdictions and all that. EU at least is still at a point where that shit simply won't fly.

ScrabbitRabbit said:
The stupidest part is that cracked copies would likely have this malware removed, so the pirates get a better product again.
This, too.
 

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Is there any actual evidence of a game failing because of piracy or are publishers who set massive expetations for games that will never amount to them going "That poor man has 40 million dollars instead of 50. MOTHAFAKKING PIRATES!"

I'm not trying to justify piracy. I'm just saying, maybe if we stop using business tactics from the planet of the assholians that usually end up ruining an actual customer's enjoyment more than the pirate and focus on making good games that people enjoy, less people would pirate aside from the underprivileged and the bastards.
 

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Given how some people are quite happy to bend over and let corporations fuck them silly, I'm wondering how long it'll be until someone comes into this thread and tries to defends this bullshit.
 

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Vegosiux said:
Yeah well, jurisdictions and all that. EU at least is still at a point where that shit simply won't fly.
Indeed, there's a chance that many countries would outright ban products from America that would use malware in their software code. But it's not like IP lobbyism can't corrupt the law makers in EU, what with their ACTA fiasco.
Vegosiux said:
ScrabbitRabbit said:
The stupidest part is that cracked copies would likely have this malware removed, so the pirates get a better product again.
This, too.
Well, it's not like I failed to mention this. Hell... this is what the third paragraph is all about.
 

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Genocidicles said:
Given how some people are quite happy to bend over and let corporations fuck them silly, I'm wondering how long it'll be until someone comes into this thread and tries to defends this bullshit.
Considering that the first five responses weren't nothing but people defending it, a lot of gamers seem to have suddenly grown a backbone, or at least started listening to a different set of pundits. You should have seen how anti-consumer the userbase was around here a year or two back.
 

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It'll never work. It'll just make people want more anti-spyware modules and cause a worldwide lash-out against invasion of privacy. AGAIN. Some companies/governments/people just never learn. The internet doesn't work that way.
 

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Did you people read the report? I had a brief glance at it and, boy, this is the first time I saw a suggestion to employ more foreign students in such a creepy undertone

page 71 said:
Recommendation:
Greatly expand the number of green cards available to foreign students who earn science, technology,
engineering, and mathematics (STEM) graduate degrees in American universities.


Chapter 1 highlights the issue of highly skilled foreign students who are unable to stay in the
United States after graduation due to U.S. government limitations on visas. According to a recent
Brookings Institution study, in 2010 more than 96,000 foreign students were in the United States
pursuing graduate degrees in STEM fields. However, a mere 19,000 stayed after graduation to work
in the United States. Many American high-tech companies have publicly advocated increasing the
number of visas available for these scientists and engineers in order to help them fill open jobs.
However, the loss of these valuable workers has other damaging effects. Many of the 77,000 graduates
who return home every year have knowledge of American intellectual property, gained in the course
of their studies or in internships during their time in the United States. This intellectual property is
of great benefit to foreign companies, enabling them to more quickly and effectively compete with
American companies, both in overseas markets and even in the American market.

Several proposals to reform U.S. immigration procedures would make earning a green card for
graduate students in STEM fields an easier process after graduation and with a job offer in hand. The
Brookings study estimated that numerous metropolitan areas, especially in the Midwest, would see
dramatic benefits if a much larger percentage of foreign students were permitted to stay.[sup]13[/sup]
The Commission supports such initiatives on immigration reform. Sending qualified and talented
scientists and engineers home almost ensures that their American educations will benefit other
nations? economic development and will represent missed opportunities for the American economy.
To be sure, some of the foreign students who would remain in the United States under the terms of
this arrangement would be subject to pressure or inducements from home countries and companies
to commit IP theft while working for a U.S. company. There have been multiple cases of the FBI
prosecuting green card holders. Nonetheless, if the full range of this report?s recommendations were
adopted to deal with IP theft systemically, the Commission judges that this risk is far outweighed
by the potential benefits of such a program.

[sup]13[/sup] Neil Ruiz, ?Immigration Facts on Foreign Students,? Brookings Institution, April 9, 2013, http://www.brookings.edu/research/interactives/2013/facts-on-foreign-students.
With that aside, I didn't see anything about "infecting everyone's computer with malware" there. None of the recommendations and suggestions I saw said it. There was something about aggressive network defence but in no way shape or form is that "everyone" it's retaliating against people attacking the network. Now, don't get me wrong - it gave me the chills - they are recommending loosening up the laws to allow companies to strike back at attackers. That could be a threatening scenario. Or not, by the way - they aren't suggesting anything specific so it's up to the implementation if it's going to be easily abusable or not.

page 81-82 said:
Recommendation:
Reconcile necessary changes in the law with a changing technical environment.

When theft of valuable information, including intellectual property, occurs at network speed,
sometimes merely containing a situation until law enforcement can become involved is not an entirely
satisfactory course of action. While not currently permitted under U.S. law, there are increasing calls
for creating a more permissive environment for active network defense that allows companies not
only to stabilize a situation but to take further steps, including actively retrieving stolen information,
altering it within the intruder?s networks, or even destroying the information within an unauthorized
network. Additional measures go further, including photographing the hacker using his own system?s
camera, implanting malware in the hacker?s network, or even physically disabling or destroying the
hacker?s own computer or network.

The legal underpinnings of such actions taken at network speed within the networks of hackers,
even when undertaken by governments, have not yet been developed. Further, the de facto sanctioning
of corporate cyber retribution is not supported by established legal precedents and norms. Part of the
basis for this bias against ?offensive cyber? in the law includes the potential for collateral damage on
the Internet. An action against a hacker designed to recover a stolen information file or to degrade
or damage the computer system of a hacker might degrade or damage the computer or network
systems of an innocent third party. The challenges are compounded if the hacker is in one country
and the victim in another.

For these reasons and others, the Commission does not recommend specific revised laws under
present circumstances. However, current law and law-enforcement procedures simply have not kept
pace with the technology of hacking and the speed of the Internet. Almost all the advantages are on
the side of the hacker; the current situation is not sustainable. Moreover, as has been shown above,
entirely defensive measures are likely to continue to become increasingly expensive and decreasingly
effective, while being unlikely to change the cost-benefit calculus of targeted hackers away from
attacking corporate networks.

New options need to be considered. As a first step, corporations need better information, and thus
an open, two-way communications flow between companies and U.S. government agencies is more
necessary than ever before. Companies cannot be asked to share more information unless they have a
reasonable expectation that they will receive useful information in return, and they need protections
from lawsuits if they do provide information. The Cyber Information Security Protection Act is an
example of a statutory effort to address this problem, and the Commission recommends its passage.
Second, an aggressive assessment of the sufficiency of current legal norms to address the new
circumstances needs to be undertaken, and new statutes should be considered. The law needs to
be clarified to match common sense. The Department of Homeland Security, the Department of
Defense, and law enforcement agencies should have the legal authority to use threat-based deterrence
systems that operate at network speed against unauthorized intrusions into national security and
critical infrastructure networks.

Finally, new laws might be considered for corporations and individuals to protect themselves in
an environment where law enforcement is very limited. Statutes should be formulated that protect
companies seeking to deter entry into their networks and prevent exploitation of their own network
information while properly empowered law-enforcement authorities are mobilized in a timely way
against attackers. Informed deliberations over whether corporations and individuals should be legally
able to conduct threat-based deterrence operations against network intrusion, without doing undue
harm to an attacker or to innocent third parties, ought to be undertaken
page 83 said:
Recommend that Congress and the administration authorize aggressive cyber actions against cyber
IP thieves.


Currently, Internet attacks against hackers for purposes of self-defense are as illegal under
U.S. law as the attacks by hackers themselves. As discussed in the cyber recommendations above, if
counterattacks against hackers were legal, there are many techniques that companies could employ
that would cause severe damage to the capability of those conducting IP theft. These attacks would
raise the cost to IP thieves of their actions, potentially deterring them from undertaking theses
activities in the first place.

The Commission is not ready to endorse this recommendation because of the larger questions of
collateral damage caused by computer attacks, the dangers of misuse of legal hacking authorities, and
the potential for nondestructive countermeasures such as beaconing, tagging, and self-destructing
that are currently in development to stymie hackers without the potential for destructive collateral
damage. Further work and research are necessary before moving ahead.
So that's not against "pirates" at all. And certainly not against "everyone". It's for full on corporate esionage and those who engage in it. And/or malicious crackers. I find that title misleading.

Well, there is some...interesting take on DRM

page 81 said:
Recommendation:
Support efforts by American private entities both to identify and to recover or render inoperable
intellectual property stolen through cyber means.


Some information or data developed by companies must remain exposed to the Internet and
thus may not be physically isolated from it. In these cases, protection must be undertaken for
the files themselves and not just the network, which always has the ability to be compromised.
Companies should consider marking their electronic files through techniques such as ?meta-tagging,?
?beaconing,? and ?watermarking.? Such tools allow for awareness of whether protected information
has left an authorized network and can potentially identify the location of files in the event that
they are stolen.

Additionally, software can be written that will allow only authorized users to open files containing
valuable information. If an unauthorized person accesses the information, a range of actions might
then occur. For example, the file could be rendered inaccessible and the unauthorized user?s computer
could be locked down, with instructions on how to contact law enforcement to get the password
needed to unlock the account. Such measures do not violate existing laws on the use of the Internet,
yet they serve to blunt attacks and stabilize a cyber incident to provide both time and evidence for
law enforcement to become involved.
But again, that's for data stolen. Unless they use "stealing" to mean "infringement", I don't think they target everybody again.

As I said, I didn't read the whole of it, so can anyone tell me if I'm missing something? If you need a place to start - the suggested solutions start on page 63 (Short Term Solutions) and go on for three chapters (then you get medium and after that long-term) until you get to page 79 has Cyber Solutions. I do think the title is misleading at best and the article may be a bit...misinforming in nature, too.
 

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Big_Willie_Styles said:
Ownership of what I create is insanely important to the functioning of capitalism.
Well, you, erm, do, umm...you know, own it. By definition and by default. It seems you're saying that piracy is taking that from you, or did I read that wrong?
 

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Big_Willie_Styles said:
Intellectual Property is by far one of my country's most important liberties.
It is not. It is a set of restrictions, not liberties. It specifies things that cannot be done, mainly things that cannot be copied. You can argue it is a good thing if you like, but it clearly reduces freedom rather than increasing to it.
 

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Anathrax said:
Is there any actual evidence of a game failing because of piracy or are publishers who set massive expetations for games that will never amount to them going "That poor man has 40 million dollars instead of 50. MOTHAFAKKING PIRATES!"

I'm not trying to justify piracy. I'm just saying, maybe if we stop using business tactics from the planet of the assholians that usually end up ruining an actual customer's enjoyment more than the pirate and focus on making good games that people enjoy, less people would pirate aside from the underprivileged and the bastards.
I also have no sympathy for these publishers at all since all their profits are made off the backs of exploiting the workers (meaning the programmers and large parts of the development teams) and dramatically underpaying them for the work they do and forcing them to undertake ridiculous amounts of unpaid, incredibly onerous crunch time in order to meet impossible deadlines.

Virtually none of the profits from sales actually go towards paying those wages to the workers. The developer/publisher relationship is an outrageous 20/80 split anyway. Most publishers don't really do anything to deserve the amount of money they make off of game sales, so when they then turn around and condemn the behaviour of consumers, they hardly have the moral high ground.

It's also telling that the publishers who actually do act relatively fairly aren't the ones who do this kind of anti-consumer bullshit.
 

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Big_Willie_Styles said:
My view is that piracy is a problem. Efforts to fight piracy are usually terrible. Intellectual Property is by far one of my country's most important liberties. Ownership of what I create is insanely important to the functioning of capitalism.
that's not how copyright works anymore.

It's not about the creator's rights at all. it's about the ownership of said creation..

and when that ownership changes hands, sometimes without the actual creator's input or agency, it then just becomes "how can we milk this for more and more money".. which is the point I guess, but if you're pro-capitalism and pro-creator's rights, and you're at all educated about the way the current system works, it must be a hurricane of cognitive dissonance in your head.

edit: and there is ZERO amount of anything that would entice me to put any of this garbage on my computer. If it became mandatory in the operating system, then that would be just the push I need to move on to Linux.
 

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Bad Jim said:
Big_Willie_Styles said:
Intellectual Property is by far one of my country's most important liberties.
It is not. It is a set of restrictions, not liberties. It specifies things that cannot be done, mainly things that cannot be copied. You can argue it is a good thing if you like, but it clearly reduces freedom rather than increasing to it.
Those restrictions get the starving artists paid. I'm not going to state my opinion on this matter, but it is more complicated than you care to admit.
 

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yeah, I heard about this earlier.

I can't imagine for a second that this shit would have any kind of legality in Europe. Still, It's pretty funny to see just how desperate they are getting now.
 

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Dagda Mor said:
Bad Jim said:
Big_Willie_Styles said:
Intellectual Property is by far one of my country's most important liberties.
It is not. It is a set of restrictions, not liberties. It specifies things that cannot be done, mainly things that cannot be copied. You can argue it is a good thing if you like, but it clearly reduces freedom rather than increasing to it.
Those restrictions get the starving artists paid. I'm not going to state my opinion on this matter, but it is more complicated than you care to admit.
Well, to be fair, Bad Jim only said that IP law wasn't liberty-enhancing in any sense of the word, which is (mostly) completely true. Whether it is good or bad is another question entirely, and one that he did not address.
 

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vbcgbxgfhthao said:
What ARE you? Your name seems like a spambot but you don't seem to post spam. It think you are that guy that got banned earlier and you have the same low content posts kinda addressing the prompt, and a similar name, and it confuses me. Gah!
 

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TopazFusion said:
Mocmocman said:
What ARE you? Your name seems like a spambot but you don't seem to post spam.
Please do not quote spambots. You're only spreading their spam links around, which we have to edit out of your post manually, because quotes of their's do not get purged when the spambot's posts get purged.
Sorry, didn't see any links from it, is it just something with my computer not seeing them or what?