So the latest M Night Shyamalan movie is actually reviewing well.

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I mean fuck me what happened to the music? I barely remember a single decent track in the Force Awakens that wasn't a recycled track from the older movies and John Williams appearently was the Composer?

John Williams became old, that's what happened. The Force Awakens had a decent score, though. I thought it would be a good idea to hire a new composer for the new trilogy, but if Rogue One's crappy score is the alternative, I'm glad they brought him back. The Force Awakens had melodies.

And I disagree with you. The Force Awakens was alright. Better than the prequels and definitely more entertaining than Rogue One.

Well they could always hire the composers that did original music for Star Wars video games,

KOTOR 2 in perticular had an increadible Orchestral Score that is worthy of Star Wars:

 

[MrCalavera_v1legacy]

It also seems to be attracting a scattering of controversy for using a real world mental disorder as the driving force for a fanciful villain.

He used a real world physical disorder as the driving force for a fanciful villain the other time. In Unbreakable. And that was one of his two good movies.
Well, now i'm intrigued. I didn't expect Shyamalan going back to form, based on his recent record.

 

[happyninja42]

Sure, but in that case DID contributes nothing to the movie.

Except it does, in this case, because it's the method by which the mystery and uncertainty is expressed in the movie. We don't know what he will do, which personality will be the one the girls are talking to next, what the ultimate goal is, etc.

I mean, you could just have them be possessed by ghosts. It would be just as ridiculous, but wouldn't be pretending that having a serious mental illness is equivalent to being possessed by ghosts.

Sure, you could also say it was miniature aliens that have implanted devices in his brain, and they are all fighting over the controls like Inside Out if you wanted to. But some concepts lend themselves to tension and horror, some to farce and comedy.

It's kind of like having a villain character whose entire premise is that they're clinically depressed and having them express this by constantly walking around in The Crow makeup quoting Nietzche and murdering people for no other reason than because "life is pointless, man", then justifying it by throwing in some quasi-PSA stuff about how people with depression are the real heroes. Oh, and give them telekinesis to boot because some character in the movie has an in-universe theory that depression gives you telekinesis..

Oh I agree about the "DID gives him superpowers" part of the story is fucking stupid, from the reality standpoint, I've never once said that was a good idea, and I am hoping that turns out to be bullshit in the story, though from one review I saw, I'm afraid that might not be the case. I'm talking about the "people with mental disorders as villains" angle. To say that creators can't do that, because it's "unfair" is just bullshit. It's not misrepresenting them, because people with these disorders CAN BE DANGEROUS. They can attack people, they can abduct them, they can force them to do weird shit because of what their unstable brains tell them is a logical course of action. Just like how, as far as I know, nobody really got in an uproar about the show Dexter, misrepresenting Sociopaths as killers. Because sure, not everyone who is clinically a sociopath is a killer, a lot of serial killers HAVE been diagnosed with it. So portraying a dangerous character, in this case a protagonist even, as someone like that, is perfectly fine.

Now I haven't seen Split yet, so I don't know how it's portrayed, and if they are trying to say the only reason he is dangerous is the DID, but I know that my brother, is only dangerous when his schizophrenia is out of control (just like this character in Split), he's still dangerous. And it's because of the schizophrenia. Now again, maybe people with DID aren't typically dangerous, but I would be shocked if there was never a documented case, of someone with DID, where one of the personalities was more aggressive/violent than the others. And that one of that type never ever ever did something criminal and dangerous while expressing that personality. If someone can prove that's the case....I still wouldn't give a shit that a creator made a story that used that as a plot device for their story. Because it's fiction, and no creator is required to tell their story based on the mercurial whims of the current culture. You can not like it for that reason, fine, but don't try and say he can't make his story.

Now, if they had try to say that his sociopathic nature gave him wings, and the ability to travel through time, yeah I'd call some "Stupid Bullshit" on that. The creator could still do it, but I'd laugh at it, and not watch the show. Which is what I was first going to do with this movie, as soon as I saw the first trailer, where the doctor presented that "brain reshapes the body" bullshit theory. But then I saw review after review saying "no, it's actually pretty damn good." So, just like with movies that do the "10% of the brain" bullshit, I'm going to suspend my disbelief of their premise, and try and enjoy the story for what it is, a work of fiction, that someone thought would be entertaining.

 

[GrumbleGrump]

I've heard it's good from sources I trust, but The Visit is the worst movie I've seen yet so I'm cautious.

 

[Marik2]

http://www.metacritic.com/movie/split?ref=hp

I did not see that coming.

Now it remains to be seen if the decade-old odour surrounding the name of Shyamalan will prevent it from turning a decent profit.

It also seems to be attracting a scattering of controversy for using a real world mental disorder as the driving force for a fanciful villain.

Has anyone here seen it yet?

What a twist

 

[Zhukov]

http://www.metacritic.com/movie/split?ref=hp

I did not see that coming.

Now it remains to be seen if the decade-old odour surrounding the name of Shyamalan will prevent it from turning a decent profit.

It also seems to be attracting a scattering of controversy for using a real world mental disorder as the driving force for a fanciful villain.

Has anyone here seen it yet?

What a twist

Okay, that made me laugh.

Now I wish I'd thought of it.

 

[happyninja42]

Just saw it it earlier tonight, and yes it's good. If you are a fan of MKS quality stuff, then you will likely enjoy this.

As to the discussion about the mental disability and how it's portrayed, and how it's used in the film, I can't say anything as it would kind of ruin things about the movie, but it pays off. that's all I'll say. I had my personal theory about where he was going with the story, and I was totally wrong, and I'm 100% happy that I was. Because where he went with it......really good.

YMMV of course, but for me, damn fine movie, the ending clinched everything home, and filled in all the little gaps in the story while I was watching it.

Highly recommend it to people.

 

[MrBoBo]

It looked pretty fun from the trailer.

 

[Terminal Blue]

It's not misrepresenting them, because people with these disorders CAN BE DANGEROUS.

People can be dangerous.

People can be mysterious.

People can be scary.

People with DID are not really any more of the above than any other person, unless you're scared by someone occasionally zoning out or crying uncontrollably or forgetting to feed themselves, but we never show those kinds of actual dissociative symptoms in depictions of DID anyway because, you know, that would kind of impede their ability to be scary and mysterious.

There's nothing scary about a person who gets triggered (like PTSD triggered, not internet meme triggered) by raised voices, or by the act of eating, or who needs to go and lie down in bed because they heard a baby crying. It's just not scary.

Because sure, not everyone who is clinically a sociopath is a killer, a lot of serial killers HAVE been diagnosed with it.

Sure, but that's also because doing things which are socially unacceptable or hurtful to others (like killing them) is part of how a person is diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder in the first place. It's an illness which is heavily bound up with criminal activity, arguably too much for it to actually be useful as a medical diagnosis.

The only thing I would say is that Dexter is just as stupid as this film because the titular character does not have an antisocial personality. They have a highly developed conscience and a clear sense of right and wrong which is abnormal but not non-existent. They do not behave like someone with the medical condition they are supposed to have, it's just an excuse to facilitate some dramatic convenience, which is the same as here.

Because it's fiction, and no creator is required to tell their story based on the mercurial whims of the current culture. You can not like it for that reason, fine, but don't try and say he can't make his story.

I didn't. I said I didn't like it, wouldn't pay for it and that I think it's a shitty thing to do to people who are already very vulnerable, marginalised and poorly understood.

As I said in my initial post. I'm pleased the director seems to be returning to form and I wish him all the best because I've always found his work interesting even when it was bad, but this is one film I'm not going to give my money to.

 

[Parasondox]

All I will say is Patricia and Dennis are just messed the fuck up. You can't trust those two and they scare me. Poor Hedwig kids will do anything to feel accepted at times but the dance was great.

James McAvoy is so underrated.