Social Darwinism: Why?

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Kolby Jack

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Social Darwinism, for those who don't know, is the application of Darwin's "survival of the fittest" idea to everyday life. It's not a common label today because its ideas basically spawned countless atrocious and bigoted movements, including Nazism, but I see its principles applied EVERYWHERE, and every time I do, I can only ask "why?"

First off, there's the fact that "survival of the fittest" applies to entire species, NOT individuals. If one species of mouse is more able to hide from owls, that species is more likely to live and thrive than the others. That's it. That's the entire principle.

Yet people use survival of the fittest quite often as an excuse to be an asshole. They use it to justify taking advantage of those less fortunate ("I worked hard to be rich, obviously the poor haven't worked as hard as I did or they'd be rich too! Survival of the fittest!"), to justify doing downright dirty things to "win" ("I could have told Steve they bumped up the due date of the project so he wouldn't get fired, but now I'm getting his office! Survival of the fittest!") or just to be a bully ("Hey, if this nerd spent less time on his computer and more time at the gym, I wouldn't be able to shove him in his locker every day! Survival of the fittest!"). And of course, whenever someone says that, people often find it difficult to come up with a good counterpoint.

These people couldn't be more wrong if their feet grew out of their head! Going back to my species example, if one species of owl is much more adapt at cooperating with each other to catch delicious mice, that species is more likely to live and thrive than the others.

Cooperation. Teamwork. Kindness. Peace. These things will allow a species a much greater chance at surviving than any brutal, dirty, or cowardly method. Don't get me wrong either, humans are actually VERY good at these things, at least inside their own social groups. I just can't stand it when assholes pervert the most basic idea in nature and act like being nice makes you a "freak of nature." The only freaks of nature here are people who don't understand that we'll always achieve more working together than any individual, no matter how "fit," could.

So to those on this site who may find themselves, even only occasionally, thinking that survival of the fittest is an appropriate line of thought when dealing with things in your life, I humbly ask you to take a step back and reevaluate that.
 
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As long as there are people who are willing to fuck over others to advance themselves, we'll never have the utopia we all desire.

People can be utter twats sometimes.

So, rather ironically, the people who spout 'survival of the fittest' as they fuck you over, are the people who are ultimately holding everyone back.
 

Vault101

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ok...I think I read somwhere that "survival of the fittest" is kind of a gross simplification of the Evlution thing...

....in other words an excuse for peopel to be dicks

EDIT: doesnt it actually mean "having traits that are most usefel to our environemnt"? because if you think about it "survival of the fittest" applys less thease days, youve got to be smarter than dumb, and able to adapt to things like technology
 

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There was this guy on these forums some time ago. He had this rat on his shoulder, in his avatar. Called himself a social darwinist. I hated him right there and then. He's on the cracked forums now.

Anyway, social darwinists are dangerously retarded. They're flat-out anti-social. They indeed reduce the whle evolutionary aspect to the individual, and ignore the species, which still involves some team-work, some solidarity. They basically abuse the whole idea to be selfish assholes.

"Social darwinism" is nothing but marketable.
 

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I thought Social Darwinism was just something used by European and American imperialists in the 19th century, and is only used nowadays by middle school kids who haven't had a formal course teaching evolution yet, and thus don't have a clue what they're talking about.

I mostly don't respond to those sorts of people because there's no benefit to it. I get the feeling that those are the kind of people who go out of their way to be extra ignorant, so it's really not worth the effort to try to convince them to think otherwise.
 

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Please don't associate social Darwinism with the idiots that use it as an excuse for poor behavior, much less those that use it to justify racial discrimination. Both badly misunderstand the concepts behind it, the primary concept is that the human race can improve itself biologically by planning for the future.

This is hardly an ignoble goal, the framework was simply used for the wrong reasons first, and hasn't recovered from the bad publicity.
 

Hazy992

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Social Darwinism is nothing more than an excuse for sociopathic assholes to behave as such.
 

bobmus

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Social Darwinism is an often abused phrase, and also is too often confused with the word 'eugenics', which is often associated with the Nazi movement.
Social Darwinism refers to the creation of social policies that benefit the 'social elite', and is not practised any more due to its inherent elitism and non-sensibility.


Eugenics is a movement based on biological development, where we can weed out problems and mutations in the population at large by preventing carriers of genetic diseases and the like from breeding. It raises massive ethical issues of what traits are 'undesirable' for future generations (such as racial and homophobic discrimination), and is thus often criticised as an idea.
To be properly implemented, eugenics requires identification and maybe even sterilisation of people carrying traits we would not want to see passed on to future generations. However, in a future where genetic screening of embryos becomes more commonplace, it may be possible to remove a lot of genetic disorders from the general population simply by the careful selection of embryos.
 

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To perhaps oversimplify: it's people trying to justify their own self-absorption. And as much to themselves as to anyone else, at that.

TheBobmus said:
Social Darwinism refers to the creation of social policies that benefit the 'social elite', and is not practised any more due to its inherent elitism and non-sensibility.
Not openly practiced, anyway. You'll still hear it used as an excuse.
 

Vault101

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Skoldpadda said:
There was this guy on these forums some time ago. He had this rat on his shoulder, in his avatar. Called himself a social darwinist. I hated him right there and then. He's on the cracked forums now.

Anyway, social darwinists are dangerously retarded. They're flat-out anti-social. They indeed reduce the whle evolutionary aspect to the individual, and ignore the species, which still involves some team-work, some solidarity. They basically abuse the whole idea to be selfish assholes.

"Social darwinism" is nothing but marketable.
aahhhh Simulord..Ive seen him on Cracked

shame he doesnt hang around anymore,anyway I think your talking about Misanthropes rather than social Darwinists

god I fucking hate Misanthropes...no really, their logic never makes any sense "I hate the evil and suffering in thr world, so I will do nothing to stop evil and suffering in the world....I will CAUSE evil and suffereing in the world (end the world scenarios) because I hate evil and suffering the world" misanthropes arnt "realists" theyre jsut weak
 

ShadowsofHope

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Social Darwinism is like Eugenics (one very flawed ideal complimenting the other most of the time). Attempting to be the "science" of "superiority" for delusional narcissists in the same way that white skinned and blond haired Germans were "scientifically superior" to everyone else in Nazi rationale.

..In other words, the concept of Social Darwinism as elitist douchebags like to consider it without ever listening in a science class makes actual Darwin roll in his grave.
 

triggrhappy94

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...which is basically force "Social 'Darwinism'" when it comes to reproduction. It was heavily embraced by nazis/fascist and is used as a reason not to accept evolution--if you accept evolution, you then must be in favor of eugenics. Just thought I should add that.

Anyone who uses the term "Social 'Darwinism'", especial in conjunction with the phrase "survival of the fittests" doesn't understand Darwin or evolution.
"Survival of the fittest" you say? Would you kindly explain the existance of the human race.
When it comes to fittest we're no where close. If you introduce up-right walking, slow, hairless mammals (like humans) that have the intellegence of say a deer into just about any ecosystem, they'll be dead in a couple months. And as someone pointed the last time I raised this point: intellegence is not a garunteed way to surviv either. There's a lot of things that go into developing a high-functioning brain that could just as easily be a debilatating mutation. It is, as Darwin said, essentially blind chance or natual selection.
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TLDR: If anyone uses that phrase just make a snide remark about how you're the better person one way or another.
"Hey, if this nerd spent less time on his computer and more time at the gym, I wouldn't be able to shove him in his locker every day! Survival of the fittest". My responce: "Really? Well enjoy your dead-end job and future alcoholism after high school."
The other remarks require too much thought for me right now, and I'm already starting to drag on.
 

triggrhappy94

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dyre said:
I thought Social Darwinism was just something used by European and American imperialists in the 19th century, and is only used nowadays by middle school kids who haven't had a formal course teaching evolution yet, and thus don't have a clue what they're talking about.
Actually here in America, we just had a prominent politican and self-proclaimed Ayn Rand mega-fan (not his exact words, but still) just tried to pass a federal budget that has been widely condemmed as Social Darwinism, because roughly 65% of the spending cuts in the budget were taken from programs that benefit the poor, while maintain all tax cuts for the rich.

So Social Darwinists are still around.
 

Kolby Jack

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Shawn MacDonald said:


Sort of hard to get mad when everyone does this. All people who accomplish something want others to see it. Like when a friend gets a new job and then has to post it on Facebook. Everyone on the planet never see's it from the other persons point of view. So people make up excuses that sound good to them when they are an asshole. Most of the people that are rude on the internet are just showing you a little bit of their real side. All people are petty and will fuck over a stranger on a moments notice. Nothing more funny to me than someone who says that they don't, bullshit.
Hrm, I don't think THAT in particular is social darwinism, but okay.

And while I'm not going to claim I'm not petty, I will tell you that I try to avoid being petty at all times and usually police myself in this regard fairly well. Not-so-surprisingly, petty and passive-aggressive behavior generally just ends up making me feel bad, so now that I avoid it when I can I'm a lot happier. One of the many benefits of just being nice.
 

Vault101

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Shawn MacDonald said:
Sort of hard to get mad when everyone does this. All people who accomplish something want others to see it. Like when a friend gets a new job and then has to post it on Facebook. Everyone on the planet never see's it from the other persons point of view. So people make up excuses that sound good to them when they are an asshole. Most of the people that are rude on the internet are just showing you a little bit of their real side. All people are petty and will fuck over a stranger on a moments notice. Nothing more funny to me than someone who says that they don't, bullshit.
I dont buy the "real you" crap

what makes up all of a person is all kinds of different things, not just when they are at their nicest or meanest

although we all have good/bad tendencies you can;t presume to tell others how they really are, Only I know me
 

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Hazy992 said:
Social Darwinism is nothing more than an excuse for sociopathic assholes to behave as such.
I couldn't agree more.

At the risk of sounding like a hippie or...St Francis or something, I believe in loving-kindness, peace, and grilled cheese sandwiches.
 

Hazy992

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DustyDrB said:
Hazy992 said:
Social Darwinism is nothing more than an excuse for sociopathic assholes to behave as such.
I couldn't agree more.

At the risk of sounding like a hippie or...St Francis or something, I believe in loving-kindness, peace, and grilled cheese sandwiches.
I can get behind that. Grilled cheese sandwiches rule!