Sorry but I'm not sure what you want us to discuss here? Is there anyway you could expand your Opening Post to add more detail and what you want this thread to talk about?Prepper247 said:
It makes sense but, I feel, misses the point. You can't really compare an exercise in industry self-congratulation like the Academy Awards to basketball because basketball is objective. It's mathematical. It's all about verifiable numbers that have no room for interpretation, whereas the Oscars are about a council primarily (if not exclusively; I'd have to check) of white men bestowing recognition upon their industry according to very predictable yet still fairly arbitrary standards that seem to exclude black creators whose work isn't about the oppression black people face but overcome, which I am cynical enough to suspect the overcoming is necessary because it gives the white council members permission to not feel guilty since racism is clearly over now.Prepper247 said:
The guy is a comedian. However, the points he's making are ones other, less comedic YouTubers have also made.JimB said:
My net crapped out on me before I could finish the video, but the next video on his playlist being about America needing to celebrate White Trash History month strongly suggests there's a strong satirical aspect to this. Which makes me even more confused about what we're meant to discussJimB said:
I decided to check this for myself: The Academy don't publish details themselves from what I can see, but a study by the Los Angeles Times in 2012 found that the Academy was 94% white and 77% male[footnote]http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/oscars/la-et-unmasking-oscar-academy-project-20120219-story.html[/footnote].JimB said:
Yeah, I clicked the link and immediately recognised him as a comedian. I don't know what his personal views are, so maybe he's spoofing the lack of diversity, but from some of his prior stuff I'd guess not.The Bucket said:
Yeah, that's why I decided to clarify. Poe's Law is totally a thing, and once you've heard a few people use the NBA example seriously, it's fairly easy to jump the gun.JimB said:
But again, that's mistaking the issue. No one is arguing that black people deserve more nominations because the nominations have to suit racial demographics within the US; they're arguing that good movies by and starring black people have been snubbed in favor of white movies, because the black movies didn't follow the Oscar-bait formula for what makes an Oscar-worthy black movie (be about slavery/racial oppression that the hero overcomes so everyone can feel good that racism is over now). It's about the Academy congratulating itself for the fine work it's done this year and telling the world that it doesn't think any black people have done fine work in 2015.Ihateregistering1 said:
That's one factor. Movies are disproportionately made about white people - white men in particular - and so POC are predominately offered minor support roles. The movie industry is one of the few where you are allowed to openly discriminate on race. The logic behind it is that a casting agency needs to be able to say "white actors only" when casting for, say, a Teddy Roosevelt biopic. This by itself creates a problem because many of the most, famous iconic people in US history were white people (black people weren't allowed to be presidents, generals or scientists), so that in itself creates a bias. Writers and film creators themselves are disproportionately white, so there is an unconscious bias there as directors and writers pick subjects for films that speak to themselves the most.Richard Gozin-Yu said:
Well, yes, but lack of gender and racial representation is part of a much bigger problem.Neverhoodian said:
Except what constitutes a "good" movie (or acting) is subjective, so that argument doesn't really apply.JimB said:
