Strange women 'possessed' while assaulting man on Edmonton train

[Burnouts3s3]

I'm not sure how I feel about this video. I don't want to assume the worse and it's possible that the women may have been having a bad day or on drugs or something else (I heard a story that the man before bumped into her or made a bad comment), but I think what she did really is considered assault.

Now, towards the end, we see the man getting tackled. I think what happened is that when the police came, they saw him attacking her and assumed the worst and arrested him. The police probably didn't see the first part of the fight. And I do think the man was in the wrong when he attacked her when she walked away.

But, in my honest opinion, I do believe this fight 'started' when she grabbed his neck and was making punching gestures at him. In my book, that's assault.

 

[Rose and Thorn]

There is a second video of her acting strange before the attack, maybe even before he sat down. It looks like she was on drugs or something. Although maybe he did deserve it, he really shouldn't have gone after her like that, it looks like he wanted a fight and was too stupid to think maybe she wasn't in control of her self, even when the person filming it said to leave her alone for that very reason.

Here is the second video.


I wasn't there, so there is no way I can give a proper opinion.

 

[WeepingAngels]

I'm not sure how I feel about this video. I don't want to assume the worse and it's possible that the women may have been having a bad day or on drugs or something else (I heard a story that the man before bumped into her or made a bad comment), but I think what she did really is considered assault.

Now, towards the end, we see the man getting tackled. I think what happened is that when the police came, they saw him attacking her and assumed the worst and arrested him. The police probably didn't see the first part of the fight. And I do think the man was in the wrong when he attacked her when she walked away.

But, in my honest opinion, I do believe this fight 'started' when she grabbed his neck and was making punching gestures at him. In my book, that's assault.

So I can come up and attack you and when I back off, you shouldn't be allowed to do anything to me?

 

[Burnouts3s3]

I'm not sure how I feel about this video. I don't want to assume the worse and it's possible that the women may have been having a bad day or on drugs or something else (I heard a story that the man before bumped into her or made a bad comment), but I think what she did really is considered assault.

Now, towards the end, we see the man getting tackled. I think what happened is that when the police came, they saw him attacking her and assumed the worst and arrested him. The police probably didn't see the first part of the fight. And I do think the man was in the wrong when he attacked her when she walked away.

But, in my honest opinion, I do believe this fight 'started' when she grabbed his neck and was making punching gestures at him. In my book, that's assault.

So I can come up and attack you and when I back off, you shouldn't be allowed to do anything to me?

I'm not saying what the woman did was right, I'm saying that choosing not to retaliate and ignoring her would've been the right choice here. Then, the man would not have gotten unjustly tackled by the police.

 

[Uhura]

I really don't see what's unclear here. As far as I can tell, both people involved in the situation committed a battery.

 

[WeepingAngels]

I'm not sure how I feel about this video. I don't want to assume the worse and it's possible that the women may have been having a bad day or on drugs or something else (I heard a story that the man before bumped into her or made a bad comment), but I think what she did really is considered assault.

Now, towards the end, we see the man getting tackled. I think what happened is that when the police came, they saw him attacking her and assumed the worst and arrested him. The police probably didn't see the first part of the fight. And I do think the man was in the wrong when he attacked her when she walked away.

But, in my honest opinion, I do believe this fight 'started' when she grabbed his neck and was making punching gestures at him. In my book, that's assault.

So I can come up and attack you and when I back off, you shouldn't be allowed to do anything to me?

I'm not saying what the woman did was right, I'm saying that choosing not to retaliate and ignoring her would've been the right choice here. Then, the man would not have gotten unjustly tackled by the police.

You didn't actually answer my question. If I came up and attacked you like this woman did and then I backed off, would you just let it go?

 

[Burnouts3s3]

I'm not sure how I feel about this video. I don't want to assume the worse and it's possible that the women may have been having a bad day or on drugs or something else (I heard a story that the man before bumped into her or made a bad comment), but I think what she did really is considered assault.

Now, towards the end, we see the man getting tackled. I think what happened is that when the police came, they saw him attacking her and assumed the worst and arrested him. The police probably didn't see the first part of the fight. And I do think the man was in the wrong when he attacked her when she walked away.

But, in my honest opinion, I do believe this fight 'started' when she grabbed his neck and was making punching gestures at him. In my book, that's assault.

So I can come up and attack you and when I back off, you shouldn't be allowed to do anything to me?

I'm not saying what the woman did was right, I'm saying that choosing not to retaliate and ignoring her would've been the right choice here. Then, the man would not have gotten unjustly tackled by the police.

You didn't actually answer my question. If I came up and attacked you like this woman did and then I backed off, would you just let it go?

If it were me? I would probably be too scared and confused to respond. I don't react with violence.

 

[WeepingAngels]

I'm not sure how I feel about this video. I don't want to assume the worse and it's possible that the women may have been having a bad day or on drugs or something else (I heard a story that the man before bumped into her or made a bad comment), but I think what she did really is considered assault.

Now, towards the end, we see the man getting tackled. I think what happened is that when the police came, they saw him attacking her and assumed the worst and arrested him. The police probably didn't see the first part of the fight. And I do think the man was in the wrong when he attacked her when she walked away.

But, in my honest opinion, I do believe this fight 'started' when she grabbed his neck and was making punching gestures at him. In my book, that's assault.

So I can come up and attack you and when I back off, you shouldn't be allowed to do anything to me?

I'm not saying what the woman did was right, I'm saying that choosing not to retaliate and ignoring her would've been the right choice here. Then, the man would not have gotten unjustly tackled by the police.

You didn't actually answer my question. If I came up and attacked you like this woman did and then I backed off, would you just let it go?

If it were me? I would probably be too scared and confused to respond. I don't react with violence.

Ok, well I dare say that most people would respond to violence with violence, including (especially) the police.

 

[MysticSlayer]

So I can come up and attack you and when I back off, you shouldn't be allowed to do anything to me?

If it was a matter of self-defense, I would protect myself. The thing is, the woman was already walking away and no longer a threat. The best thing to do is to get someone actually authorized to deal with her.

 

[WeepingAngels]

So I can come up and attack you and when I back off, you shouldn't be allowed to do anything to me?

If it was a matter of self-defense, I would protect myself. The thing is, the woman was already walking away and no longer a threat. The best thing to do is to get someone actually authorized to deal with her.

Ok, so you too would let someone attack you and then walk away. I wonder how widespread that is.

 

[MysticSlayer]

So I can come up and attack you and when I back off, you shouldn't be allowed to do anything to me?

If it was a matter of self-defense, I would protect myself. The thing is, the woman was already walking away and no longer a threat. The best thing to do is to get someone actually authorized to deal with her.

Ok, so you too would let someone attack you and then walk away. I wonder how widespread that is.

I never said I was just going to let her get away with it. In fact, I said specifically I'd get someone authorized (ex. a police officer) to deal with it. I'm just not going to attack her myself.

 

[DementedSheep]

It's not surprising the police tackled him. He was closest and the first thing they are going to do is break up the fight not figure out who is at fault. By that point he was attacking her and when they grabbed him she collapsed. Should he have attacked her when she walked away? No, I don't think he should be charged for it and I'm not outraged at him or anything but this doesn't look like some wanker starting a fight this looks like a mental breakdown of some kind. No problem with him defending himself but he should have waited for the police once she stopped not engaged her again.

Now for a different issue I don't like people filming fights or people having mental breakdowns and uploading it to the internet. Film it for the evidence only. No need to spread it around. Yes I know I probably shouldn't be commenting on it either.

 

[PinkiePyro]

I feel a bit sorry for him did he make the right choice? no.. does he deserve to be arrested for it? no

but I can say that women needs help ether rehab or a psych evaluation perhaps both

 

[Rose and Thorn]

So I can come up and attack you and when I back off, you shouldn't be allowed to do anything to me?

If it was a matter of self-defense, I would protect myself. The thing is, the woman was already walking away and no longer a threat. The best thing to do is to get someone actually authorized to deal with her.

Ok, so you too would let someone attack you and then walk away. I wonder how widespread that is.

The girl wasn't "someone". It was pretty clear something was wrong with her, she could have been unstable mentally or on some serious drugs. Who knows why she was like and what happened to her, the guy certainly doesn't. No there is nothing wrong with defending yourself, but that is not what the guy did, he went after her. I get a poor young mans blood can boil, but he did not handle that situation in a mature manner, especially when there were people telling the guy that something was wrong with her. it might not have shown on camera, but someone pretty quickly hit the emergency button. For one he could have injured a girl who was not in control of her body or could have been in a bad way, or two he could have attacked someone dangerous and got himself or someone else on the train hurt. That is why there are authorities on stand by that are not only trained to deal with situations like this, but they are equipped for it.

I hope if you find yourself in a situation like this WeepingAngels, that you will use that brain of yours that I am sure you have, before you act out like an angry teenager.

 

[The Apple BOOM]

So I can come up and attack you and when I back off, you shouldn't be allowed to do anything to me?

If it was a matter of self-defense, I would protect myself. The thing is, the woman was already walking away and no longer a threat. The best thing to do is to get someone actually authorized to deal with her.

Ok, so you too would let someone attack you and then walk away. I wonder how widespread that is.

I'm surprised no one in this thread told you that the action you're suggesting is flat out illegal. If someone is obviously no longer a threat, like that woman, you can't claim self defense, which is the only way a civilian can legally assault someone physically.

 

[EvilRoy]

Aaaaahahaha, yes I got forwarded this clip the day it happened. Every now and then something awesome happens in my city. I will never stop laughing about that "hey hey man, she's probably fuckin possessed."

So I can come up and attack you and when I back off, you shouldn't be allowed to do anything to me?

Here in Canada, the words "as much force as reasonably necessary" is what is typically followed - if a person is retreating and you go after them, then its your ass if you really mess them up.

Apparently charges against the person who was originally attacked are generally pretty lenient, but every now and then someone gets in deep shit for going too far when warding off an attacker. You have to be in real danger of serious personal harm or death to justify lethal levels of self defense.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

She assaulted him, likely while tripping on a chemical concoction of heavy duty drugs. He had every right to defend himself.

If that was a man attacking a woman, everyone here would be outraged and baying for his blood. The fact that there's even a question being asked shows a disgusting, sexist attitude that the man has to be in the wrong. She is violent and probably a druggie and he is a victim of assault. If feminists want to moan and complain about "equality", then they shouldn't have an issue holding that woman to account for her criminal actions.

 

[Saetha]

Everyone's kinda screwing up here. The woman for starting it, the man for not letting it go, the witness for filming random strangers on the train, and the bystanders for just... bystanding.

Seriously, a better question is why didn't anyone intervene? She looked like she was about to choke him for a second there. Someone should've stepped in.

As for the legality... the woman did start the fight, but he really shouldn't have pursued. If this sort of thing were up to me, I'd probably punish them both - the guy would get a lighter sentence because he was clearly provoked, even though he shouldn't have perpetuated the fight, and the woman would if her actions are due to drugs or mental illnesses. If she just decided to threaten some random guy on the subway, than full sentence for her.

 

[DementedSheep]

She assaulted him, likely while tripping on a chemical concoction of heavy duty drugs. He had every right to defend himself.

If that was a man attacking a woman, everyone here would be outraged and baying for his blood. The fact that there's even a question being asked shows a disgusting, sexist attitude that the man has to be in the wrong. She is violent and probably a druggie and he is a victim of assault. If feminists want to moan and complain about "equality", then they shouldn't have an issue holding that woman to account for her criminal actions.

No one here is advocating the women getting off as far as I can see. She is in the wrong. The problem is that he attacked her after she walked off and something is clearly wrong with her. It would be the same if the gender was reversed. Yes there is sexism, yes people tend to assume the women is either a victim or that guy "did something to deserve it" (god I hate that line) but that isn't necessarily what anyone here is doing. All you are doing is ignoring what is being said so you can slap your own motivations onto them and then getting outraged at that.

 

[WeepingAngels]

She assaulted him, likely while tripping on a chemical concoction of heavy duty drugs. He had every right to defend himself.

If that was a man attacking a woman, everyone here would be outraged and baying for his blood. The fact that there's even a question being asked shows a disgusting, sexist attitude that the man has to be in the wrong. She is violent and probably a druggie and he is a victim of assault. If feminists want to moan and complain about "equality", then they shouldn't have an issue holding that woman to account for her criminal actions.

No one here is advocating the women getting off as far as I can see, the problem is that he attacked her after she walked off and something is clearly wrong with her. It would be the same if the gender was reversed. Yes there is sexism ,yes people tend to assume the women is either a victim or that guy "did something to deserve it" (god I hate that line) but that isn't necessarily what anyone here is doing. All you are doing is ignoring what is being said so you can slap your own motivations onto them and then getting outraged that.

Something is CLEARLY wrong with her but the attacked guy may not have CLEARLY known that. In the heat of the moment, while she was beating the shit out of him, do you think he looked into her eyes to see if she was on drugs?