Technology, the end of mankind - my theory

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Soods

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So I've been recently doing a lot thinking. And if you question the results of my thinking, I don't blame you, everyone else questioned them just as well.

A couple of thousands of years ago, all that mankind was, was pretty much just monkeys with clothes on. It lived in harmony with it's environment. It had to fight nature constantly to survive, just like every other species.

But because humans are good at making stuff, we started farming and living in bigger and bigger groups and formed cities. Then we slowly started making our life easier and easier through miraculous inventions. These inventions allowed us to sustain a higher number of population. But we were never satisfied, we always needed more. Then we got the real machines, they needed fuel, but we had a lot of it.

Now because of the machines mentioned before, we have been able to sustain an exponential population growth, there's more homo sapiens than there ever was before, and it's all thanks to these machines, they allow us to live. But what if these machine stopped working? What if there was an end to this fuel? It would become impossible, for this 6 billion people to continue living. Thus, we need more and better technology just to stay alive.

Just like drug addiction, technology doesn't only harm us, but everyone and everything around us. The greatest mass extinction since dinosaurs is currently underway, because of technology. The whole planet is dying, because of technology. All life on this planet could die at any moment, if a handful of humans push wrong buttons and launch some nukes.

In the end, there are only two ways out, stop using technology (cold turkey) and maybe survive. Or continue the cycle of technology addiction and hope to keep up with the ever-increasing needs.
I'm not sure if anyone else has come up with these results, but atleast I haven't heard of it.
I'd love to hear what you think of technology and whether you agree with me or not.

EDIT: In this case ("A couple of" != 2)
 

BiscuitTrouser

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Or we develop sustainable fuel? Cold fusion? I for one am happy we have technology to help people, the internet to bring the world together, telescopes to view the universe and planes to make the planet accessable to all.

People are working on fusion. Once its in the air our needs will seem paltry. On its crudest level fusion is creating and capturing a star and taking its energy for our own. Infinite fuel forever basically.
 

Soods

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BiscuitTrouser said:
Or we develop sustainable fuel? Cold fusion? I for one am happy we have technology to help people, the internet to bring the world together, telescopes to view the universe and planes to make the planet accessable to all.

People are working on fusion. Once its in the air our needs will seem paltry. On its crudest level fusion is creating and capturing a star and taking its energy for our own. Infinite fuel forever basically.
The lack of fuel isn't the only problem with technology. And I'm not sure, but I think creating a star can go horribly wrong in some way.
 

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BiscuitTrouser said:
Or we develop sustainable fuel? Cold fusion? I for one am happy we have technology to help people, the internet to bring the world together, telescopes to view the universe and planes to make the planet accessable to all.

People are working on fusion. Once its in the air our needs will seem paltry. On its crudest level fusion is creating and capturing a star and taking its energy for our own. Infinite fuel forever basically.
Basically. Fuel limits have never, ever been a real problem in human technological development, even now. When we need something, we take it, and if we can't get to it we push technology until we can. It's just the way of things. It won't be too much longer before we are looking at other planets for resources, which will effectively solve any and all resource problems we could possibly have until humanity starts colonizing. By then, who knows? Maybe we will have invented fusion so efficient that it can power itself, thus creating infinite energy. Or just steal it from stars.

Actually, that'd be pretty funny. The very first form of energy humans relied on, sunlight, ends up being the one that saves us. Turns out the trick was just getting closer.
 

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Kendarik said:
Every time man had a problem with fuel, they found a new fuel source. That's probably what will happen here too.

Besides, humans wouldn't all die off without petrochemicals, (which is what I'm guessing you are talking about), it would just change how we did things.

The fact that you think we were like monkeys only 2000 years ago doesn't help make your case.
"A couple" = 2-6
And I'm pretty sure a global famine would/will ensue when we can't transport goods anymore.
 

FalloutJack

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No no no no...

Only stupid people can kill us. Technology is indeed harmless in of itself. Only in the hands of dumb people can it be bad. So, in short, blame stupid people.
 

McMullen

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Soods said:
I get the impression that you're a junior high or high schooler who's learned a little bit about science, technology, and history, and are coming to all the wrong conclusions by building on what little you've learned with wild speculation. While I like your enthusiasm, you should learn to do research when you reach the end of your knowledge on a subject, or you will write posts like the one you just did. Here and now it's not so bad, but later in life you can make a real fool of yourself by doing this.

For starters, we were not monkeys 2,000 years ago. Rome was an empire 2,000 years ago. Before that it was a republic. Before that, there were the Greeks. Before that, there were dozens if not hundreds of other civilizations. The oldest written document is estimated to be 5,500 years old.

Also, we are not and have never been Monkeys. We are apes. Monkeys showed up after their branch and our branch of the evolutionary tree separated.

No organism in the history of life has ever been "in harmony" with its environment. They are only kept in balance with everything else by external forces, most of them derived from the presence of predators, the availability of food, and the prevalence of disease.

We aren't even the first organisms to cause environmental devastation and climate change. Blue-Green algae did that 3.3 billion years ago. They altered the composition of the atmosphere so drastically that they poisoned and killed off over 90% of all life on the planet. It was the greatest mass-extinction the world has ever experienced. The toxic gas, by the way, was oxygen. The atmosphere got polluted with a corrosive, dangerously reactive gas, and everything that survived evolved to either hide from it or use it as metabolic fuel.

You are right that as our production has gone up, our energy demand has gone up as well. However, it's really ignorant to characterize it as an addiction. It isn't even unusual or unnatural. It's merely a parallel to the same kind of mechanism that drives an organism's, or a community's calorie intake based on their size. Doesn't matter if the community is a bacterial colony, an ant hill, a city, or a civilization. The inability to sustain large populations is far from unprecedented. Yes, if it happens to us it will be a bigger crash, but it's not apocalyptic, and the mass famine will be followed by a period of stability or even growth.

The whole planet is most certainly not dying. As I said before, it's faced far bigger crises than us. The earth is too big, its climates too varied, and its life too adaptable, to be sterilized by anything short of complete crustal melting. Freeze it, bombard it, boil away its oceans, life will still persist on the earth in some form.

Now if you're worried about us, then sure, there's reason for concern. Even then though, just because we've adapted to be dependent on technology doesn't mean we're totally screwed if we run out of our main energy sources. A lot of people will starve, but there will be survivors, and they will get by with whatever's left.

Also, how is quitting technology cold turkey better than moving forward? Not even (some) non-human apes abstain completely from the use of tools. An energy crisis is bad but nowhere near as devastating as simply quitting technology.
 

BrassButtons

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Soods said:
A couple of thousands of years ago, all that mankind was, was pretty much just monkeys with clothes on. It lived in harmony with it's environment. It had to fight nature constantly to survive, just like every other species.
Nature has never been harmonious (unless you consider a perpetual arms race to be a good example of harmony).

What if there was an end to this fuel?
There's more than one type of fuel out there, and probably many we haven't considered yet.

In the end, there are only two ways out, stop using technology (cold turkey) and maybe survive.
If we stop using technology there will be mass starvation. That alone will cause a death toll high enough to make this a horrifying scenario. Then you have to consider the lack of medical care (take a look at what the death toll used to be like for the flu. Here's a hint: the word 'plague' was involved at least once), the lack of shelter (houses are a result of technology, especially if you need houses that can support a sizeable population), the lack of clothing (there are places where freezing to death is a valid concern when one is naked and homeless), and that's still just the stuff off the top of my head.

I'd rather take my chances with technology and try to find a solution that doesn't include billions of people dying horrible deaths.
 

Kolby Jack

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Soods said:
In the end, there are only two ways out, stop using technology (cold turkey) and maybe survive. Or continue the cycle of technology addiction and hope to keep up with the ever-increasing needs.
So, the only way to survive is to do EXACTLY what you're saying will kill us off and hope it doesn't, or do nothing and hope it works out.

 

SilentCom

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Technology is a tool created by our understanding of the universe. Tools are a means of amplifying power and power requires responsibility. Some people are responsible and some aren't.
 

Vault101

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we have the abilty to solve problems bcause of technology..


and why get rid of technology? so we can do what? live in the wilderness? so we can do what? eat and breed? so why do we breed? to keep ourselfs going? and why do we keep going? to advance our culture

and what happens when you advance our culture? TECHNOLOGY

we might as well just nuke outselfs
 

senordesol

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Humans adapt. A lot more of us are alive thanks to technology, but our race wouldn't die out if the aliens hit us with an EMP tomorrow (then decided not to do anything else).
 

Twilight_guy

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Go tell that to people living in Africa in a hut/clay building without indoor plumbing. Technology is basically a generic name for any tools or machines we use, fire, ramps, sticks as well as electronics. They are an extension of man (until such time as man creates AI which is separate from man). A tool on its own is a material object, how we use it gives it life. Were all our technology to fail (unlikely since as I noted all technology is not electronics, architecture that lets us build bridges is technology in a sense), Then we would rebuild and move on. Humans believe in progress and making things better and that means advances in technology. If one avenue closes, we open another. But there we have the crux of why your theory is bunk, humans build technology to improve themselves, to progress. We come to depend on it, sure, but the opposite would be to instead abandon progress and let our society stagnate, to never invent anything or do anything because it would be progress and it might fail. The reason we depend on it is because we understand it and have come to understand why it will not fail. It's akin to worry if gravity will sudden go away tomorrow. We "know" (nothing is true (everything is permitted), we just have really really good evidence that this won't happen) this isn't going to happen just as we understand our inventions and know they won't crap out, and if they do then we know how to make new ones. The technology is an extension of ourselves, of our identity. Addiction doesn't describe what it is, it'd be like saying we're addicted to breathing. It is a part of us like a hand or a foot. Maybe I'm just a bleeding heart modernist, but I don't think your argument holds water because I see its core interpretation of technology as unfounded.
 

Hal10k

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"We should abandon technology."

Says the man distributing messages on a global network of computers relayed through geosynchronous satellites and with enough cumulative power to simulate small universes down to the atom.
 

Soods

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Kendarik said:
McMullen said:
I'm sorry to break this to all of you, but the once beautiful "a couple of" [http://www.thefreedictionary.com/a+couple+of] has degraded into something completely else. I might have been stretching the word a bit, but what I meant was closer to 4000 B.C.
 

Phlakes

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See, you're assuming no one else will think of that. As long as there are people aware of the issues, they'll try to resolve them.
 

Akimoto

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I suspect it's more of our attitude towards tech that is a problem than the kind of tech we churn out. Too lazy to explain, just saying. But maybe a very simple (and poorly formed) example would be TNT. Used for a purpose to make mining better and Noble hoped that people would be so terrified by it's destructive power wars would stop. Instead the attitude towards it was 'Explosions! Wheee!'. Same with planes, lasers and Botox. And RC planes, I want my own Predator.