The best leaders of your country

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Who are your favourite leaders who were the head of the country you live in or are from.
Gough Whitlam introduced free health care, free education, destroyed conscription and gave women equal pay.
John Curtin saved us during World War 2.
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Mary Robinson, the first female President of Ireland. She transformed the position (although it's still largely a figurehead position), did a lot of good for the country, worked with the UN and is just an all-round awesome do-er of good deeds.
 

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I'm from Britain, my government is full of idiots.

Having said that, I used to like Tony Blair until he decided that he was going to ignore the collective will of the nation and follow a retard into an illegal war. He lost my vote that day.
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Winston Churchill was a fucking criminal. Almost as bad as the leaders of the axis.
How so?

[sub]I have the feeling this thread will soon be moving to the religion and politics sub-forum...[/sub]
 

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Sixcess said:

The best we ever had.
He really wasn't. Neville Chamberlain was loads better and gets a bad rap.

Now Paddy Ashdown; that's a man. Best leader we never had.
 

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solidsnake101023 said:
The best leaders of your country
Still yet to come.

The agenda of past leaders is something akin to: making the country an axis puppet->making the country a soviet puppet->being corrupt dickheads

Eeeyup.
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
His treatment of the Germans after WW2 was rather horrid. He wanted to kill everyone.
Churchill was out of office within 2 months of the end of the war in Europe,so he had little to no say over post-war Germany. In any case do you have any source for this allegation? At all?

Every leader in WW2 was a fucking scumbag, on both sides, and every one of them did their fair share of atrocities, be it executing jews, sending jews to Germany to be executed, torturing prisoners.... Which is why it pisses me off when one of them is portrayed as a hero. People need to fucking wake up and realize neither Churchill nor Hitler were heros.
You're generalising way too much to be making any valid point here. Wars are not fought by saints - it's a nasty, brutal business and if we did bad things we did so because the alternative was much much worse.

There are many legitimate criticisms that can be made of Winston Churchill, even of some of the things he did or had done during the war - he himself had definite qualms over Dresden for example. But to compare him to Hitler and his gang - some of the worst people who ever lived, not only for what they did to other nations, but what they did to their own country - is ill informed and simplistic at best.
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Sixcess said:
Wars are not fought by saints - it's a nasty, brutal business and if we did bad things we did so because the alternative was much much worse.
Which is exactly the point I am making.
No, the point you were making was that there was no difference between Churchill and Hitler - or to put it a different way, that there's no difference between killing enemy soldiers in combat and killing civilians in concentration camps.

EDIT: Just an example of what a fucking nutjob Churchill was: after the second world war he said that if one day England found itself in an economic slump simular to the one Germany found themselves in before Hitler took over, he would want a man like Hitler to lead Britain. Lovely.
By which he meant that Hitler presided over perhaps the most spectacular economic recovery of any nation, ever. Which he did. In the 20s and 30s, in no small part due to the crippling conditions of the Treaty of Versailles, Germany was in a terrible state - which paved the way for Hitler to take power in the first place. And in less than a decade he took this ruined, bankrupt nation and made it a global superpower.

The mass of people did not support Hitler in the 30s because he wanted to start a world war and kill jews. They supported him because he gave them food, jobs, security, and restored the pride of the nation.

In retrospect it could never last - but in the short term Hitler did good as well as evil, and that is what Churchill meant.
 

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None of the monarchs, because they were either basically dictators or ultimately powerless. Cromwell was a nasty piece of work. My history isn't good enough to know much about the early Prime Ministers.

So I'll go with Clement Atlee, who at a time when the country was recovering from war, and with greater debt and deficit as a ratio of GDP than we have today, still managed to create the NHS and set the foundations for the welfare state.
 

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I suppose I could be cliched and say Churchill, but that sort of disregards the fact that he wanted to continue WWII indefinitely by attacking Russia, and was pretty damn crazy in other respects.

Therefore, I'm going to go with King Arthur, as no politician could possibly match him.
 

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I personally would always vote for Saxon, but maybe that's just down to John Simm's charisma...

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