The coming american presidential election

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SilentHunter7

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I like John McCain. He seems to know how to get shit done, and he doesn't give a hoot in hell about party loyalty. I also like Edwards; the government needs to stop dicking over the little guy. Plus he has great hair. ;) I considered Ron Paul at one point, but his 'supporters' are annoying, and he's surrounded by a bunch of crazies. I can see myself voting for Obama, though, if Edwards is his running mate or if McCain doesn't win the Republican nomination.
 

John Galt

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Everyone loves Obama, you just can't point to that man and say, "He'll ruin us!". He's like the Lovable, FDR democrat, he's got so much charisma, his actual politics don't seem to matter.
 

Carbon016

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Anybody but Ron Paul.

Okay, maybe not anybody but. Huckabee's the same kind of crazy. Romney is clearly Emperor Palpatine's twin but at least he seems to be the economic conservative rather than the "JESUS RAPTURE ARMAGEDDON" conservative.

Hillary is delightfully populist - not the good kind of populist, but the kind where she'll pander to the lowest common denominator. I enjoyed seeing her in third in the caucuses because she just rid the fact that she's the "default" candidate all the way through her campaign.

McCain is probably the best of the Republican candidates, but that doesn't say much.

Obama seems sincere - like what he promises in his campaign will actually pan out, unlike most other candidates.
 

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Thegreatoz said:
VOTE CHUCK NORRIS FOR '08!!!!!
he will round house kick Osama and inflation in their faces!!!
I know you were kidding, but Norris has actually endorsed Huckabee [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDUQW8LUMs8].
 

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Barak Obama seems to be another story, and almost the exact opposite. People really do like the man, he seems genuine, and even if you don't like his politics; he seems like a good guy and you can have an idea of where he stands. The fact that he's young and feels new also doesn't hurt. He seems fairly electable, but for one thing. This will sound awful, but it is true. If his name were Henry James or John Williams he would probably stand a significantly better chance in the general election. The nation wants a change, and a young, new, African American man isn't a bad place to start after two families controlling US politics for the last 20 years.

But the man's name is Barak Hussein Obama. That does make some people think twice. It isn't right, especially when you look into it, but the fact is that many Americans don't look into things, and all they have to hear is that and they might back off. And that really is a shame. But the want for change might make people overlook that.
I think too many people see him as Jesse Jackson's bastard child for him to make anyway outside the youth and ethnic voters. More importantly, he's a product of Chicago politics; no good ever comes from the Daley Machine.

SilentHunter7 said:
I like John McCain. He seems to know how to get shit done, and he doesn't give a hoot in hell about party loyalty. I also like Edwards; the government needs to stop dicking over the little guy.
Edwards lost every semblence of being the populist candidate after he walked across the picket lines to talk with Jay Leno about how much he loves union workers.
Carbon016 said:
Okay, maybe not anybody but. Huckabee's the same kind of crazy. Romney is clearly Emperor Palpatine's twin but at least he seems to be the economic conservative rather than the "JESUS RAPTURE ARMAGEDDON" conservative.
Yes but Ron Paul is a "Thou Shalt Not Kill" Christian, whereas those running his party are "Make Israel bigger so Jesus will come back sooner" Christians.
 

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just saying: the current party (i cant spell the name) has been in power and has finished everythig it wanted to do (big thigs anyway) so their game plan is looking the same. conflict keeps a leader in power (9/11, iraq war) but opinion on the iraq war is going south and obamas "new idear" plan is looking preity good. so far the US has fllowed OZ in how the political landscape has been moving and if the falling out of power of bush's allies is anythingto go by then i'd say obama is going to get the votes

so far all the "US like" countreis (politicaly anyway) have had a cahang in goverment with the winer boasing "new idears" but i'm not from the US so my thoughts are purely academic (if i'm using that right)
 

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SilentHunter7 said:
I like John McCain. He seems to know how to get shit done, and he doesn't give a hoot in hell about party loyalty. I also like Edwards; the government needs to stop dicking over the little guy. Plus he has great hair. ;) I considered Ron Paul at one point, but his 'supporters' are annoying, and he's surrounded by a bunch of crazies. I can see myself voting for Obama, though, if Edwards is his running mate or if McCain doesn't win the Republican nomination.
Just out of curiousity... are they annoying TO you? Or do they just seem annoying on tv?
 

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So far I'm leaning towards Obama, but I will have to research more into his campaign before any final decision. He would make a great president, sadly, he'd probably get assassinated.
I'm not saying that to be a twat, but people can't except change, and are incredibly ignorant.

Normally I don't care much about politics, out of lazyness and conspiracy.
 

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Yes but Ron Paul is a "Thou Shalt Not Kill" Christian, whereas those running his party are "Make Israel bigger so Jesus will come back sooner" Christians.
Being against abortion, gay rights, not believing in evolution, I'd say he leans pretty heavily toward the latter.

Just out of curiousity... are they annoying TO you? Or do they just seem annoying on tv?
can't answer that question i'm dumping worthless fiat currency out of a blimp RONPAUL08
 

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uberlad said:
Just out of curiousity... are they annoying TO you? Or do they just seem annoying on tv?
Annoying in general. Mostly on the internet, where they spam everything with RON PAUL '08 over and over again, without giving a single reason as to why. The stoners are the worst though, where their whole argument is that he wants to legalize marijuana.

Ciarog said:
Edwards lost every semblence of being the populist candidate after he walked across the picket lines to talk with Jay Leno about how much he loves union workers.
Explain, please
 
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I got Kucinich too! It was totally unexpected; but it prompted me to have a closer look at the candidates' policies (as opposed to their advertising) and, I'll be darned, Kucinich is great. I'm sad he has virtually no chance at getting the nomination, because he sounds like the best thing that could happen for the US and the world right now, short of Al Gore having a go.

(Sure he's a little left-wing by US standards, but that still makes him pretty moderate by the rest of the developed world's standards.)
 

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Ciarog said:
I think too many people see him as Jesse Jackson's bastard child for him to make anyway outside the youth and ethnic voters. More importantly, he's a product of Chicago politics; no good ever comes from the Daley Machine.
I'm curious to know if you come from Chicago or where you base the opinion on. I'm born and raised in Chicago, and while I will readily admit to the existence and more than likely corruption of "the Daley Machine" the results are what matter to me, and what I do have is a decently run city with few problems that plague me. There are of course always issues (fubaring the Chicago marathon and the CTA are two examples) but other than that, things run smoothly. I'm satisfied. I find things no different than in any political regime.

Obama did more community stuff here in Chicago, I think, and less so on administrative, so he wasn't as involved with Daley so much as working with them - but I haven't looked into the real specifics so I could be wrong.

Honestly, it's going to be interesting these next few months. I'm looking forward to it, and frankly, I'm pleased to see that at least on one forum we can have a somewhat intelligent discussion on politics without it turning sour like on 95% of the other forums I frequent.
 

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Fraser.J.A said:
I got Kucinich too! It was totally unexpected; but it prompted me to have a closer look at the candidates' policies (as opposed to their advertising) and, I'll be darned, Kucinich is great. I'm sad he has virtually no chance at getting the nomination, because he sounds like the best thing that could happen for the US and the world right now, short of Al Gore having a go.

(Sure he's a little left-wing by US standards, but that still makes him pretty moderate by the rest of the developed world's standards.)
Kucinich is really interesting, and I agree with a good amount of what he says, but some amount of it is pretty far left. I sort of do want him for president, and as you say he's more in line with the rest of developed nations, but some of it is far flung. I do want that kind of attitude in the white house, and some really dramatic change. But I think he's a teetering on being overboard. If I could reign him in a little I'd like him more.
 

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Larenxis said:
Of the top candidates: I have no idea. The most important thing to me is that the Military Commissions Act is dealt with. I can't go into the States until it is. Right now, I could go into the United States legally, and in the middle of supporting their economy be declared an 'enemy combatant', get arrested under no charge, be tortured, and be held for the rest of my life without knowing what I had done, nevermind getting a trial. This Act should not exist, and nobody is doing anything about it.
I think you have a pretty skewed view of what the MCA does, which is to establish what is a lawful, and unlawful enemy combatant. I guess if by "supporting the economy" you mean "actively fighting american forces in a war theatre while under conditions which would make you an unlawful combatant as set forth by the MCA" then yes, you are correct. your statement other than that is pure nonsense. If you think you're gonna be scooped up by the secret service while cruising the mall of america for a tee shirt, you should probablly go grab a foil hat real fast.

On topic:
The list of candidates this year is underwhelming, at the least. The democrats, Obama in particular, are running on a platform of "Change" without any actual substance beyond that. National healthcare is the best they can come up with, another way to add some red-tape and tax revenue on the stepping stones to socialism.

The Republicans, while sharing a few more of my personal views, seem like a rag tag group of people thrown together at the last minute. None of them are inspiring, which really makes all of them pretty weak contenders in the general.

My prediction is Obama will likely take the nomination with his recent celebrity and momentum helping him along, and he'll probablly win the general too, unless something seriously unexpected happens on the republican side. And in the end, we'll still be in Iraq (sorry to tell you, but these things dont just end overnight because someone else shows up), still have the same bickering as before, and nothing will really "Change" all that much, except sending a bit more of that change in your pocket to washington to help make those rich politicians feel better about their multi-million dollar mansions. Cause ya know, if everyone in california drives a hybrid, it just might offset those nice private jet trips on the global warming front. LOL.
 

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Fraser.J.A said:
PurpleRain said:
Ok, next topic: Who Do You Think Will Win The Russian Presidential Election?
110% of the population of Chechnya says Vladimir Putin!
Really? I also heard, they're decideding weather or not to let cyborg zombie stalin to run for this next one. I don't think I'll vote for him. But then again I'm not Russian... or am I?
 

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renahzor said:
On topic:
The list of candidates this year is underwhelming, at the least. The democrats, Obama in particular, are running on a platform of "Change" without any actual substance beyond that. National healthcare is the best they can come up with, another way to add some red-tape and tax revenue on the stepping stones to socialism.
Well, like I said, the difference between the platform this time and last time was the absence, or at least the toning down of, the hugely negative campaign that the Democrats put up the last time around. Moderates like me were completely turned off by the vitriol coming from the Democratic party which far outweighed anything negative coming from the Republicans, and it didn't help that I lean conservative either. I'm more inclined to listen to a platform of change when it is an independent platform of change and not reliant on the other guy sucking. Of course, with Bush going out the door it's moot, but still.

And on a somewhat related but probably off-topic note, the major candidates could all just do what this site did and fight it out:
http://www.kungfuelection.com

PS to the developers of this silly little creation: Nerf Richardson. ^_-
 

SilentHunter7

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I liked Kasparov. I saw him with Bill Maher, and he impressed me. But, he's out of the race on a technicality. Go figure.