The glorious British education

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OK, searched the forums thoroughly, so unless someone started the same topic 10 seconds before me, you can't whack me round the head with the search bar. Also, my first topic, yay! There will be drinks afterwards.

So here's the story: way back in my Polish high school, a teacher told me that apparently, in the UK his is a highly respected profession, that teachers are paid well and have a good sense of responsibility, and that the British school system is among the best in the world. I'd had that image stuck in my head since then to the point of being a bit afraid when I went to study in the UK. I expected that I'd be totally wasted in the first nerd duel(*) I run into and become the laughing stock.

Then I spent almost an hour trying to prove to a geography student that there exists a country called Armenia.
Then I met another student who, until her boyfriend asked her if she wanted to go to the Niagara Falls, thought the Falls were in Africa.
And recently, another one asked me in short succession what does the word "Shah" mean (she was reading about the Iranian happenings on BBC News) and who Kafka was.

Now, before anyone flames me, the purpose of this thread is not to laugh at the Brit's ignorance. It's just that there is this discrepancy between my previously held beliefs about the British school system's quality and what I've experienced and I'm curious about the reasons. So, my dear British escapists, I have a few questions:

Is the system just incredibly Britain-centered, so that anyone can quote the total beef production of Yorkshire for any year between 1900 and 1990, yet fail to name the capital of France? Or is it, plainly, not as good as advertised? If the latter, then where does the reputation come from? Is it that it USED to be very good, and just turned worse recently?

(*) For those of you who don't know, a nerd duel consists of throwing random trivia at each other unless one runs out of ammo or admits that they hadn't known what they were just told.
 

Leorex

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there are no shortage of stupid people in the world, there are just as many dumb people in Britain as there are in America.
 

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NoMoreSanity said:
It's simply over-hyped by people such as your teacher, because the Brits are usually awesome and they expect their schools to be as such.
except for that last 200 years, and when that one band of rebels beat their whole army.
 

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Leorex said:
there are no shortage of stupid people in the world, there are just as many dumb people in Britain as there are in America.
I understand that, and I don't expect the British to be a race of near-omniscient demigods, but I was always under an impression that the purpose of a school system is to ensure that if you got as far as university, you have some common knowledge about the world.
 

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Eh some understand and some just don't get it. They all seem to even out at the end. It's not like some place's school system allows the students to find ways to break physics right?
It's just in the places with better schools there are better conversations :)
 

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RyQ_TMC said:
Leorex said:
there are no shortage of stupid people in the world, there are just as many dumb people in Britain as there are in America.
I understand that, and I don't expect the British to be a race of near-omniscient demigods, but I was always under an impression that the purpose of a school system is to ensure that if you got as far as university, you have some common knowledge about the world.
i honestly think that every school system is ego-centric. as well as it should be. i want to learn about great British battles, but only after i learn about great American battles.
 

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... A middle schooler in China is the equivalent of an American high school student...

That seemingly random statement just means that regardless of what someone says, there's probably something that significantly contradicts it. Not being British, I can't say anything, but the fact that the Brits fought wars in neatly ordered lines doesn't say much for past education. As for present education... well, I'm sure their Wizards are getting good schooling, based upon the extremely factual books we know and love.

By the way, I could care less for American history. I guess everything someone says is easily contradicted! (I'm from the U S of A, by the way)*

*That rhyme was unintentional.
 

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ElephantGuts said:
Stupid people are stupid.

And they are everywhere. Everywhere. God, there are so many of them.
Sigh.... if only we had thought police around to hunt the stupids.
 

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ElephantGuts said:
Stupid people are stupid.

And they are everywhere. Everywhere. God, there are so many of them.
After doing the math, I've calculated that there are 13 billion stupid people currently living on earth*

That's a joke. If you didn't get it, make it 13 billion and ONE!
 

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Leorex said:
i honestly think that every school system is ego-centric. as well as it should be. i want to learn about great British. battles, but only after i learn about great American battles.
And this is fine too. I didn't learn about all the US presidents or British kings in Poland and I have no problem with that. But you can't ignore everything that happens outside your borders. Like, for example, the name of the guy who wrote one of the most important works of 20th century literature.

I just think some things are common knowledge. They might be of little relevance to your immediate daily life, and they might not directly concern your home country, but (a) they serve as sort of a common set of coordinates when you meet someone from a different country, and (b) they are often those things which are not explained in a news report, so it seems that I'm not the only person who expects people to know them.
 

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SFR said:
... A middle schooler in China is the equivalent of an American high school student...

That seemingly random statement just means that regardless of what someone says, there's probably something that significantly contradicts it. Not being British, I can't say anything, but the fact that the Brits fought wars in neatly ordered lines doesn't say much for past education. As for present education... well, I'm sure their Wizards are getting good schooling, based upon the extremely factual books we know and love.

By the way, I could care less for American history. I guess everything someone says is easily contradicted! (I'm from the U S of A, by the way)*

*That rhyme was unintentional.
British troops fought in neatly ordered lines because it was the best tactic to use with rifles that could only shoot once before they had to be reloaded. It allowed widespread and even impact of bullets and could be used to fire continuously...
 

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bue519 said:
ElephantGuts said:
Stupid people are stupid.

And they are everywhere. Everywhere. God, there are so many of them.
Sigh.... if only we had thought police around to hunt the stupids.
we would be fascists.

and if i may invoke Goodwin's law.
Hitler was a fascist.
 

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wishy1 said:
SFR said:
... A middle schooler in China is the equivalent of an American high school student...

That seemingly random statement just means that regardless of what someone says, there's probably something that significantly contradicts it. Not being British, I can't say anything, but the fact that the Brits fought wars in neatly ordered lines doesn't say much for past education. As for present education... well, I'm sure their Wizards are getting good schooling, based upon the extremely factual books we know and love.

By the way, I could care less for American history. I guess everything someone says is easily contradicted! (I'm from the U S of A, by the way)*

*That rhyme was unintentional.
British troops fought in neatly ordered lines because it was the best tactic to use with rifles that could only shoot once before they had to be reloaded. It allowed widespread and even impact of bullets and could be used to fire continuously...
right, it was the way wars where fought before then.

its like now, when we went into iraq, we whernt expecting everyone and their mother to strap a bomb to their chest and blow them selves up.
 

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wishy1 said:
SFR said:
... A middle schooler in China is the equivalent of an American high school student...

That seemingly random statement just means that regardless of what someone says, there's probably something that significantly contradicts it. Not being British, I can't say anything, but the fact that the Brits fought wars in neatly ordered lines doesn't say much for past education. As for present education... well, I'm sure their Wizards are getting good schooling, based upon the extremely factual books we know and love.

By the way, I could care less for American history. I guess everything someone says is easily contradicted! (I'm from the U S of A, by the way)*

*That rhyme was unintentional.
British troops fought in neatly ordered lines because it was the best tactic to use with rifles that could only shoot once before they had to be reloaded. It allowed widespread and even impact of bullets and could be used to fire continuously...
I don't think ANYTHING is a good excuse for standing still when people are firing bullets at you. Couldn't you hide in a tree? That way, when you're reloading after firing once, people won't shoot at you, as they won't know where you are. I dunno... What you said makes since... but doesn't :p. Not that that wasn't their reason for doing it, of course :)